Plural Marriage Now Legal in Utah

[SonInMe]

As far as I understand this, it came from a lawsuit involving the cast from the tv show sister wives, mormon multiple wife show. They went to court and their lawyer, to win the case, sited homosexual marriage laws and use this as their defence.

They won.

This clearly proves that gay marriage has led to other perversions, something we were assured would not happen.

Its a slippery slope lubricated by liberalism and made steep by perversion.

 

[David_1]

Adultery now legalized.

I don't understand. So what law stops you going out and committing adultery now?

 

[David_1]

This clearly proves that gay marriage has led to other perversions, something we were assured would not happen.

Its a slippery slope lubricated by liberalism and made steep by perversion.

I hear Russia is seeking new citizens.



“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” - George Washington

 

[Elizabeth619]

I don't understand. So what law stops you going out and committing adultery now?

Most people don't know this but in most states in the US adultery is actually illegal, but it's really not a law that is enforced. It's illegal in my state and people are allowed to freely cheat every day.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

But because there is so much sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman should have her own husband.
The husband should fulfill his wife’s sexual needs, and the wife should fulfill her husband’s needs. The wife gives authority over her body to her husband, and the husband gives authority over his body to his wife.
Do not deprive each other of sexual relations, unless you both agree to refrain from sexual intimacy for a limited time so you can give yourselves more completely to prayer. 1 Corinthians 7:2-5

Interesting how everything was in a singular, not plural context . I don't think this advice would make sense in a polygamous marriage. How would the wife have authority ''over her own husband's body'' if there are like 5 wives fighting over that authority? Also notice verse 5. ''Unless you both agree...'', NOT ''Unless you all agree...''. And notice also how Paul was actively giving advice here, and he is not advising anyone to get more wives.

A bishop then must be blameless,the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 1 Timothy 3:2


And not to mention....

And the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two but one flesh. Mark 10:7

Concubines were common in the old days and the Bible never speaks against that. David had multiple wives as well, God had no problem with that either.

2 Samuel 12:8:

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

1 Timothy 3:2 also is only referring to the office of "Bishop" specifically. Like a poster above said, one is enough trouble.....dealing with two or more would be such a chore. lol, I'm just saying...it's never spoken of as a sin or condemned.

 

[crossnote]

ok guys, can you picture you and four other guys to one woman?...UGH!

 

[crossnote]

Concubines were common in the old days and the Bible never speaks against that. David had multiple wives as well, God had no problem with that either.

2 Samuel 12:8:

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

1 Timothy 3:2 also is only referring to the office of "Bishop" specifically. Like a poster above said, one is enough trouble.....dealing with two or more would be such a chore. lol, I'm just saying...it's never spoken of as a sin or condemned.

yeah, but those that practiced polygamy had lot'sa trouble due to it.

 

[Bloomingdaydreamer]

Wow. I did not now that. Thanks for sharing. It's just one more thing being thrown into our faces that's trying to be perceived as "normal".

 

[Donkeyfish07]

yeah, but those that practiced polygamy had lot'sa trouble due to it.

Agreed, Solomon being the prime example. Nothing I would encourage anyone to do but I'm not going to accuse anyone with two wives of sin either.

 

[Drett]

God never once condoned polygamy in the bible. David even repented of his sin and turned from it. IF you read carefully all the cases of polygamy in the OT you will see it results in negative consequences. Never once did God praise anyone for having multiple wives. He may have "allowed" it(by not striking them dead for doing it), but never condoned it either.

The apostles of Jesus who drank from the fountain of knowledge and had a lot more knowledge than anyone alive today, who were willing to die for their faith, did not stop polygamy. Paul said hey you elders, it is better you stick to just one wife. The generation that followed did not stop polygamy. Centuries later Augustine stopped polygamy as a means of population control that was all. He was quite clear he could not find any biblical justification. Now we have people stating it is sick, it is adultery when the followers of Jesus did not speak against it.

 

[skipp]

The apostles of Jesus who drank from the fountain of knowledge and had a lot more knowledge than anyone alive today, who were willing to die for their faith, did not stop polygamy. Paul said hey you elders, it is better you stick to just one wife. The generation that followed did not stop polygamy. Centuries later Augustine stopped polygamy as a means of population control that was all. He was quite clear he could not find any biblical justification. Now we have people stating it is sick, it is adultery when the followers of Jesus did not speak against it.

There was no reason for them to "stop polygamy" since it wasn't really practiced much at that time, except by a few members of the aristocracy. It wasn't a widespread practice in that time and place.

 

[Drett]

There was no reason for them to "stop polygamy" since it wasn't really practiced much at that time, except by a few members of the aristocracy. It wasn't a widespread practice in that time and place.

Yet Paul felt he needed to tell the elders to refrain from it. He did not include the rest. Also Augustine, who I would argue studied the bible a lot more than people here, said it was not biblical to stop polygamy.

 

[kayem77]

Concubines were common in the old days and the Bible never speaks against that. David had multiple wives as well, God had no problem with that either.

2 Samuel 12:8:

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.

1 Timothy 3:2 also is only referring to the office of "Bishop" specifically. Like a poster above said, one is enough trouble.....dealing with two or more would be such a chore. lol, I'm just saying...it's never spoken of as a sin or condemned.

I am aware that in the OT times it was a common practice, especially among kings. However, it was not encouraged. It was not a sin I agree, but God did speak about the danger of multiplying wives. Divorce was allowed too, however it wasn't encouraged. Genocides were allowed, vengeance was allowed (and eye for an eye...), a lot of things were allowed. But were they necessarily what pleased God? I think in the context of the time, it was just necessary, but not God's ideal. But we are not under the Old Covenant. Jesus restored all those things that were destroyed by sin, including marriage. The first marriage was between one man and one woman, and since sin hadn't entered the world, I would believe this was God's original plan.

Also, we have to consider that what worked in the OT doesn't mean it works today. The argument of ''Jesus came and didn't speak out about this or that'' can be used about anything, like slavery, corrupt governments, prostitution (which was common in the Roman world), etc. But that's only because Jesus came to save souls, not to denounce every specific social practice at the time. And again...Jesus DID clarify what marriage is supposed to look like when he quoted Genesis. I would think that would be enough to clarify what the ideal situation is. I don't think polygamy is necessarily a sin, but I don't see the point of it in most of today's world.

 

[kayem77]

Yet Paul felt he needed to tell the elders to refrain from it. He did not include the rest. Also Augustine, who I would argue studied the bible a lot more than people here, said it was not biblical to stop polygamy.

Just because Augustine was right about many things, doesn't mean he was right about everything. I don't think it was necessarily a sin at that time, but I would believe that a man that practices polygamy in today's world would have sinful motives for doing so. Jesus not only restored the relationship between He and His Bride, he restored marriage also. Unless one is a man who lives in a tribal jungle or something like that, I don't see the loving aspect of having more than one wife.

 

[Drett]

Just because Augustine was right about many things, doesn't mean he was right about everything. I don't think it was necessarily a sin at that time, but I would believe that a man that practices polygamy in today's world would have sinful motives for doing so. Jesus not only restored the relationship between He and His Bride, he restored marriage also. Unless one is a man who lives in a tribal jungle or something like that, I don't see the loving aspect of having more than one wife.

Hi Kayem

This is opinion. I have shown that polygamy stayed for hundreds of years after Jesus ascended. The reason given for it ban was not biblical.

The second wife is an avenue for charity. You could bring an old widow or struggling single mother into your family. Look at the London riots. One of the main factors given were all the single mothers out there who raised children with no fatherly influence. People have messed around with the will of God and we are seeing the consequences.

 

[Angela53510]

Here is what happened to Solomon who practiced polygamy.

"Now King Solomon loved many foreign women, along with the daughter of Pharaoh: Moabite, Ammonite, Edomite, Sidonian, and Hittite women, [SUP]2 [/SUP]from the nations concerning which the Lord had said to the people of Israel, “You shall not enter into marriage with them, neither shall they with you, for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love. [SUP]3 [/SUP]He had 700 wives, who were princesses, and 300 concubines. And his wives turned away his heart. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For when Solomon was old his wives turned away his heart after other gods, and his heart was not wholly true to the Lord his God, as was the heart of David his father.[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Sidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. [SUP]6 [/SUP]So Solomon did what was evil in the sight of the Lord and did not wholly follow the Lord, as David his father had done. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh the abomination of Moab, and for Molech the abomination of the Ammonites, on the mountain east of Jerusalem. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And so he did for all his foreign wives, who made offerings and sacrificed to their gods." 1 Kings 11:1-8

Seems to me that if someone as wise as Solomon could walk away from God because of this sin, that likely us lesser mortals are going to really mess up if we go this root. The whole thing is just yuck to me! Although, the thought of having sister-wives to cook and clean sounds like a good deal. LOL

Just joking!

 

[kayem77]

Hi Kayem

This is opinion. I have shown that polygamy stayed for hundreds of years after Jesus ascended. The reason given for it ban was not biblical.

The second wife is an avenue for charity. You could bring an old widow or struggling single mother into your family. Look at the London riots. One of the main factors given were all the single mothers out there who raised children with no fatherly influence. People have messed around with the will of God and we are seeing the consequences.

I hope you are not seriously implying that poligamy is the solution for the destruction of the family. Just look at the majority of Muslim countries where men are allowed to pretty much take and divorce wives at their will. Just because poligamy didn't disappear right now, doesn't mean it was correct. Slavery didn't disappear right away either. And again, it was clearly not God's ideal, and that is actually written in the Bible several times.''The two shall become one''. ''Love your wife(singular) as Jesus loved the Church(singular). Why do people keep ignoring those verses?

 

[SonInMe]

who believes having more than one wife is a good thing?

 

[christiangamer]

who believes having more than one wife is a good thing?

The Mormons.

Sorry, I could not resist.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

And again, it was clearly not God's ideal, and that is actually written in the Bible several times.''The two shall become one''. ''Love your wife(singular) as Jesus loved the Church(singular). Why do people keep ignoring those verses?

I don't think anyone's ignoring it, you have to consider everything that has been said about marriage.

Mark 10:6-9

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.' 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

Proverbs 19:14

" House and riches are the inheritance of fathers: and a prudent wife is from the LORD.'

2 Samuel 12:8

"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."

So when people marry, God has joined them together....let no man separate them. A prudent wife is from the Lord, and God has personally given men more than one wife. Sooo.....how can it be said that having more than one wife is sinful if God has joined them together? Soooo, all of a sudden, it's a sin out of the blue when it wasn't before? If you want to speak of the ideal, "Ideally" one should not marry at all.

1 Corinthians 7:8

" Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am."