Capital Punishment?

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Leilaii425

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Awsome ^^ I think we are on the same page lol.

I know someone who was in jail for 10 years - as a convitced peodiphile - but I know he was innocent. He was with my family at the time :S
Anywayz..for all you people that say 'what if the person is innocent' - the majority of the people that are put in prision are guilty.

And leilaii you are right - jail is a joke - my friends ( above ) was put in jail and has come out with a masters degree in LAW and a great carpenter.

Does anyone actually know what the purpose of a jail is for - it is to take away a criminals freedom - nothing more.
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It is a joke, your right. How is it a convicted felon can go into jail and get a masters degree in law for free, when i as a law abiding citizen have to pay thousands of dollars to get into college and get a degree. Does no one else see anything wrong with this. There was a special on CNN about this. Getting more programs and more things to do for the people in jail. There is no reason they should be able to do the same things that i can freely do.

There are some exceptions where i believe it is okay to kill someone and not be executed for it. For example, there was a story in the news years ago where a womans boyfriend video taped himself raping her daughter and got her pregnant in the process, she was 13 years old. This wasnt a one time occurance, he started video taping this i believe when the girl was 11. The mother found these video tapes and when her boyfriend was sleeping she shot him in the head twice. She called the police and told them exactly what happend and what she did. When she went to court the judge watched the tapes and dissmissed the case. I believe in those types of instances you shouldnt go jail for that. If someone did that to my daughter i would without a second thought do the same thing.
 
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ilavjesus

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im agaisnt with capital pnishment...but all we have to do is leave it to God...He is the judge and the only judge!!!
 
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Leilaii425 said:
It is a joke, your right. How is it a convicted felon can go into jail and get a masters degree in law for free, when i as a law abiding citizen have to pay thousands of dollars to get into college and get a degree. Does no one else see anything wrong with this. There was a special on CNN about this. Getting more programs and more things to do for the people in jail. There is no reason they should be able to do the same things that i can freely do.

There are some exceptions where i believe it is okay to kill someone and not be executed for it. For example, there was a story in the news years ago where a womans boyfriend video taped himself raping her daughter and got her pregnant in the process, she was 13 years old. This wasnt a one time occurance, he started video taping this i believe when the girl was 11. The mother found these video tapes and when her boyfriend was sleeping she shot him in the head twice. She called the police and told them exactly what happend and what she did. When she went to court the judge watched the tapes and dissmissed the case. I believe in those types of instances you shouldnt go jail for that. If someone did that to my daughter i would without a second thought do the same thing.
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I agree - there is exceptions where it is okay to kill - like the one you mentioned. I've never heard that story before - maybe coz my age - i dunno, very intresting though. Although that person that got a masters in law - i belive was innocent - it is a perfect example -he comes out of jail with 2 options for jobs - a carpenter or a lawyer. - I think he is a carpenter because no firm would take him...You know the story about that brothers that kicked the s*** of two wee boys in the news the other month? How they made him eat netttles and all that? - they will be out ion 10/15 years with new identitey and a great life - like the killers of Jamie Bulger - i think they should have been lashed or killed - one of them, who is now gay, lives in australia, a couple of streets aways from a school, and prety much next door to my cousins. They are now moving away.

More and more tramps are commiting cries to get into jail because they are better of. My dad says he would kill everyone he had to to save me - if i was kidnapped.

Some one on this thread keeps saying they may deserve to die - but we shouldnt kill them - that keeps anoying me - if you deserve someting - you should get it just likeiing winning a gold medal - you deserve it, you get it
 
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If you really want a thorough discourse and understanding about capital punishment, both under the OT and NT, the following link can really help in many different ways no matter how long you have been a Christian. It can also help those who remain under the law and those that live under grace. It is really worth taking the time to read what is presented in this link. The answer to most all the questions related to this subject is found in this explanation. I hope you benefit in the truth and come away with good conviction and sound doctrine.

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Maddog

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Some one on this thread keeps saying they may deserve to die - but we shouldnt kill them - that keeps anoying me - if you deserve someting - you should get it just likeiing winning a gold medal - you deserve it, you get it
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Well you know, it's common Christian understanding that we all deserve death and hell.

Just because we can agree that someone deserves capital punishment that does not automatically mean we have the authority to execute it. You, as an individual would be wrong to kill someone even if you considered it to be what they deserved. I see state sanctioned killing as no different.
 
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ilavjesus said:
im agaisnt with capital pnishment...but all we have to do is leave it to God...He is the judge and the only judge!!!
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I agree that God is the only judge but, we still have to take things into our own hands. You can't tell me things always go the way God wants them to, cause I'm pretty sure that God wouldn't have wanted us to sin in the first place. We still need to take action ourselves, god will determine their afterlife, but we need to protect our freinds and family.
 
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Leilaii425

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I also believe in captial punishment for dogs who pee on carpets, and emus... just because their ugly
 
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Maddog said:
Well you know, it's common Christian understanding that we all deserve death and hell.

Just because we can agree that someone deserves capital punishment that does not automatically mean we have the authority to execute it. You, as an individual would be wrong to kill someone even if you considered it to be what they deserved. I see state sanctioned killing as no different.
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God has given us a queen/king/president to rule over us. if Godron brown reenforceds the death penelty I would be pleased. 1 million people have signed a petition for it to brought back over here in Britian.
As humans we have to take things into our own hands aswell.
If you were to come home from work one day and you saw you daughter with her eyes gunged out, lying naked on the floor with wire round her neck - r u saying you would be happy for who ever raped and murderd her, to get of with 10 years in jail, come back out in 4 for good behaviour, and be your social worker? NO - obviously not.


Leilaii425 said:
I also believe in captial punishment for dogs who pee on carpets, and emus... just because their ugly
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@ Leillaii -
You always put a smile on my face :) I loled at that - my granny doesnt like meerkats - she thinks they should die. LOL
 
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aww thanks kathleen!!!
 
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Maddog

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God has given us a queen/king/president to rule over us. if Godron brown reenforceds the death penelty I would be pleased. 1 million people have signed a petition for it to brought back over here in Britian.
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I'm sure you dont believe that just because a section of the general public approve of something that that makes it ethical. Similarly, not everything HMG does is right.

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As humans we have to take things into our own hands aswell.
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Of course, but we're talking about possessing authority over human life itself. I don't believe any man has that authority.

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If you were to come home from work one day and you saw you daughter with her eyes gunged out, lying naked on the floor with wire round her neck - r u saying you would be happy for who ever raped and murderd her, to get of with 10 years in jail, come back out in 4 for good behaviour, and be your social worker? NO - obviously not.
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You're setting up a false dichotomy. Just because I oppose capital punishment doesn't mean I am in favour of overly lenient sentences. And f you're asking if I would actively desire the death of another human being, then no, of course I wouldn't, and it would trouble me if anyone has such a desire.
 
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Maddog said:
I'm sure you dont believe that just because a section of the general public approve of something that that makes it ethical. Similarly, not everything HMG does is right.


Of course, but we're talking about possessing authority over human life itself. I don't believe any man has that authority.



You're setting up a false dichotomy. Just because I oppose capital punishment doesn't mean I am in favour of overly lenient sentences. And f you're asking if I would actively desire the death of another human being, then no, of course I wouldn't, and it would trouble me if anyone has such a desire.
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YOu are obviously not realistic...If you came home to a house - in which i descibed - I am quite sure you would want to kill whoever did that to ur daughter!

Dont be so pathetic of course you would, maybe you would prefer a diffrent setting - what if it were you son you came home to and his genitalia was chopped of and his eyes gounged out - U r telling me you would have no hatred or no desire in your heart to kill the person that did that to the son that God has blessed you with.
 
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YOu are obviously not realistic...If you came home to a house - in which i descibed - I am quite sure you would want to kill whoever did that to ur daughter!

Dont be so pathetic of course you would, maybe you would prefer a diffrent setting - what if it were you son you came home to and his genitalia was chopped of and his eyes gounged out - U r telling me you would have no hatred or no desire in your heart to kill the person that did that to the son that God has blessed you with.
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I thought we were talking about rational wants based on principles (which are far from pathetic, unless you consider moral order and western civilisation pathetic), not emotive desires (which vary from person to person anyway so you shouldn't presume to know what someone would feel). But in any case, justice should not be served with emotion, it must be fair and impartial. It will be a sad day for the judicial system if it ever succumbs to the bloodthirsty cries of the masses.

But maybe I've misunderstood. Are you really advocating such an approach to justice?
 
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Yes I think this approach to justice is very fair and very good. There are more crimes now adays, without corprol or capital punishment than there was 70/80 years ago when there was.
 
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Maddog

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Kathleen said:
Yes I think this approach to justice is very fair and very good. There are more crimes now adays, without corprol or capital punishment than there was 70/80 years ago when there was.
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Justice based on emotions/whims of anyone directly affected by the incident is one of the most unfair judicial systems I can think of. We would be just as well to draw sentences out of a hat.
 
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Well actually your wrong.
Drawing sentences out of a hat? I mean, your right, what is the word comming to?
a group of women were jailed a couple of months ago for kicking a man to death - they got a year and 2 months - thell be out in 7 months for good behaivour - and thats murder.

Also who said anything about emotions

furthermore - the chances of putting someone wrongly in jail - are very slim. The majority of the people who are in jail deserve to be there
 
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Kathleen said:
Well actually your wrong.
Drawing sentences out of a hat? I mean, your right, what is the word comming to?
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I'm wrong...about what? About emotion based sentences being unfair? I don't know what you're saying here.

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Also who said anything about emotions
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You did. You were arguing for capital punishment on the basis of the emotional response of those affected by crime: 'I am quite sure you would want to kill whoever did that to ur daughter...U r telling me you would have no hatred or no desire in your heart to kill the person that did that to the son that God has blessed you with[?]'
 
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I'm wrong...about what? About emotion based sentences being unfair? I don't know what you're saying here.'
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I didnt ever say sentences based on emotion - i said wouldnt you want to kill the person.
No sentences involved
 
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