What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?
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Romans 5:12-13
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12 [/SUP]Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
[SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
That one man upon which sin entered, is he not our father? Even today we learn from our parents and environment how to be Christians, and Muslims. We learn how to be racists. We learn how to go to work to pay bills and so forth and so on. All of these things produce hate, and all who hates his brother is a murderer. We do indeed learn.
Yes..... Again Jeremiah as well as us all were created BEFORE the womb. Jeremiah was separated as a prophet. Pharaoh as an instrument of His wrath. The cherub that covers this truth is the flesh body you see in the mirror everyday.
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12 [/SUP]Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
[SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
That one man upon which sin entered, is he not our father? Even today we learn from our parents and environment how to be Christians, and Muslims. We learn how to be racists. We learn how to go to work to pay bills and so forth and so on. All of these things produce hate, and all who hates his brother is a murderer. We do indeed learn.
Yes..... Again Jeremiah as well as us all were created BEFORE the womb. Jeremiah was separated as a prophet. Pharaoh as an instrument of His wrath. The cherub that covers this truth is the flesh body you see in the mirror everyday.
The fruit of the spirit is the law and the law is not against itself. That's why there is no law against it. 2 Timothy 2:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
1 Kings 1:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.
Isaiah 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Exodus 18:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Leviticus 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.
Exodus 34:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
2 Samuel 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great.
Faith is/was ordained as an Old Testament principle to be kept as a priority in the New Testament.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Psalm 45:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Temperance is self-control as in “not to covet,” or “being drunk” “gluttonous” and so on. It is exhortation of the fruit of the spirit that I endorsed in the only negative, for covet is an attribute of the carnal, and the opposite is the attribute of the Lord’s Holy Spirit.
Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 21:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Deuteronomy 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
1 Kings 1:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.
Isaiah 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
Exodus 18:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.
Leviticus 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.
Exodus 34:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
2 Samuel 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great.
Faith is/was ordained as an Old Testament principle to be kept as a priority in the New Testament.
Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Psalm 45:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.
Temperance is self-control as in “not to covet,” or “being drunk” “gluttonous” and so on. It is exhortation of the fruit of the spirit that I endorsed in the only negative, for covet is an attribute of the carnal, and the opposite is the attribute of the Lord’s Holy Spirit.
Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
Deuteronomy 21:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
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You and I have very different understanding of the phrase "under the law". I have expressed my understanding several times and I'd do it again here.
There is law in Canada to keep people safe. I'm not under the law because I obey it. Do I brag about my law keeping? No I don't because it's natural for me and other law abiding citizens to keep. Do I uphold the law? Sure I do. So no one is under the law? Sure there are quite a few - some are in prison and some are on the run. Those on the run probably don't have peace but I can't speak for them.
I surely can speak for myself that I have peace even when I could not abide 100% because someone has paid for and will pay for what I have neglected and will possibly neglect in time to come.
There is law in Canada to keep people safe. I'm not under the law because I obey it. Do I brag about my law keeping? No I don't because it's natural for me and other law abiding citizens to keep. Do I uphold the law? Sure I do. So no one is under the law? Sure there are quite a few - some are in prison and some are on the run. Those on the run probably don't have peace but I can't speak for them.
I surely can speak for myself that I have peace even when I could not abide 100% because someone has paid for and will pay for what I have neglected and will possibly neglect in time to come.
This does not answer the question. What law is spiritual? The 10 commandments? No... Again before ANYTHING was made, there was God. "Thou shalt not kill" could not have been spiritual as there is no one to kill. It thus goes to show that there was another law that is deemed spiritual. We know these things to stem from its source, love. Upon which there is no such law ("thou shalt not").
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context?
So then give me context. How else could I take those passages in context? You explain what God meant when he said those things.
And see how you took it out of context yourself??
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, [SUP]9 [/SUP]knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate,
So you took it out of context.!
it is good WHEN USED FOR AN UNRIGHTEOUS PERSON. why? TO BRING THEM TO CHRIST
So then give me context. How else could I take those passages in context? You explain what God meant when he said those things.
And see how you took it out of context yourself??
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, [SUP]9 [/SUP]knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate,
So you took it out of context.!
it is good WHEN USED FOR AN UNRIGHTEOUS PERSON. why? TO BRING THEM TO CHRIST
God's law. It is also holy, just, and good. It reveals the character of out Father in heaven, because He gave it. Romans 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Does that answer your question? Is anyone saying there was a law against transgression before the creation? Was there love before creation in your opinion?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Does that answer your question? Is anyone saying there was a law against transgression before the creation? Was there love before creation in your opinion?
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If a person leans on their own understanding by rejecting anything that God has ever said, this verse applies. It's all or nothing. You are right in saying we are to be lead by the Spirit and not the carnal understanding of the law. On the other hand, if we are lead by the spirit, we will understand the truth of the law, for the carnal mind doesn't understand that the the law is still in effect the way God organically intended. Think about this, if the law is for the unsaved to lead them to Christ, why did God's patriarchs like Moses, David, Joshua, Caleb, Hezekiah, Ezra, and Nehemiah live by it? They all had faith in God, and were subject to the law. It is clear they were not carnal in their belief.
Ya ever wonder how they understood the principles of faith? If one is led by the Holy Spirit they are not beneath the law, they are subject to it as these Biblical patriarchs were. Not in the flesh of self works, but by the Spirit of God.
By not leaning unto our own understanding but trusting in God with all our heart.
Your carnal understanding is really getting you mired. Being subject is the same as being under.
We are neither subject nor are we capable of His Perfect Law. If we were then we would Be God and we wouldn't need a Saviour.
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Jeremiah 31:31-33 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant though I was a husband tothem,” declares the Lord. “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts.
Why?
Because they failed to obey Deut 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.
So where's the disagreement? Yes, one side says the commandments are valid and the other side says they are no more.
Why?
Because they failed to obey Deut 6:5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts.
So where's the disagreement? Yes, one side says the commandments are valid and the other side says they are no more.
No, lol. Again a set of "thou shalt not's" is for those who are lawbreakers. So even in that it is good.
But my point is and again the best way is to illustrate this by what we call marriage today, is if you are married, do you give your wife a set of "what not to do's" to define your union?
You define it by LOVE, which covers her past sins.
But my point is and again the best way is to illustrate this by what we call marriage today, is if you are married, do you give your wife a set of "what not to do's" to define your union?
You define it by LOVE, which covers her past sins.
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You still do not get it.
Those laws are given to keep you safe. Since your always in danger, You need to follow those laws.
The law of God was given to bring you to God. To show you you are rightly condemned. To bring you to faith in Christ.
Once you have done what the law was intended to do. You are safe, You are Christs, You are his forever. This the law which brings you to Christ has been fulfilled. And YOU NO LONGER NEED IT.
so you can not compair a law you need, to a law you no longer need, because you are no longer in danger.
Those laws are given to keep you safe. Since your always in danger, You need to follow those laws.
The law of God was given to bring you to God. To show you you are rightly condemned. To bring you to faith in Christ.
Once you have done what the law was intended to do. You are safe, You are Christs, You are his forever. This the law which brings you to Christ has been fulfilled. And YOU NO LONGER NEED IT.
so you can not compair a law you need, to a law you no longer need, because you are no longer in danger.