What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?
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That is what i am talking about that you are going on two sides of the way Christ
Who will save me LAW?
No Brother Christ my savior my Lord is the only:
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
No other way if the Law, the Levitical priesthood could bring life then there would have never been a need for Christ to do what we can't do, being in unredeemed flesh we are, and he was not. rather born a life-giving Spirit so Christ is the only way to Farther in new life, period
Who will save me LAW?
No Brother Christ my savior my Lord is the only:
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
No other way if the Law, the Levitical priesthood could bring life then there would have never been a need for Christ to do what we can't do, being in unredeemed flesh we are, and he was not. rather born a life-giving Spirit so Christ is the only way to Farther in new life, period
Not what it says...
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
The passage is referring to the (good) works of human beings.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
The passage is referring to the (good) works of human beings.
If I am carnal and under the law, I cannot be subject to the law, and then in order not to be carnal I thought about becoming subject to the law but that puts me right back under the law. "Oh wretched man that I am, who will save me from the body of death." I have no alternative but to claim it as obsolete, and say "I shall not be moved!" Instead, just let's move the law into a different position even thought Christ offered to put me in a different position regarding the law. He is "Lord of the Sabbath" and I have no alternative but to reject the Sabbath for it is part of that nasty old law. I will attempt to be submissive to the Lord of the Sabbath without taking advantage of the Sabbath day that He made for me. If I do, I will be back under something I'm trying to make void. After all, isn't it ready to vanish away? Doesn't the Bible say that?
read it again and you will see that I am facetious. It is the way modern day professing Christians see themselves when confronted with the truth. I wasn't talking about myself in truth.
Absolutely true, therefore anything not of:
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
So watch out for one's own flesh to fool self, as it is easier to be fooled that to be shown one is fooled for as a man decides to believe so is he period and is truth to him
I know and am convinced that God has saved me by and through Son, and am in thanksgiving and praise mode, being molded more and more to his death for me to be dead to flesh and alive to God, walking in Spirit where no sin can ever occur.
We are taught by Teacher, Father to walk as Son already walked by Faith alone in Father whom to this day is the only one righteous and I am thankful to participate as Father leads in Father's power, thanks to Christ being my and the whole world's propitiation for all sin ever committed, for us to be able to be one with Father as Christ is one
Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Hebrews 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
So watch out for one's own flesh to fool self, as it is easier to be fooled that to be shown one is fooled for as a man decides to believe so is he period and is truth to him
I know and am convinced that God has saved me by and through Son, and am in thanksgiving and praise mode, being molded more and more to his death for me to be dead to flesh and alive to God, walking in Spirit where no sin can ever occur.
We are taught by Teacher, Father to walk as Son already walked by Faith alone in Father whom to this day is the only one righteous and I am thankful to participate as Father leads in Father's power, thanks to Christ being my and the whole world's propitiation for all sin ever committed, for us to be able to be one with Father as Christ is one
C
It depends on how one defines the whole mirror doesn't it?
My definition of the whole mirror is every word coming from His mouth although I have yet to grasp the whole mirror and of the broken pieces is neglecting any of His word.
It's a matter of how one believes.
David believed His law is perfect and he didn't have the NT but I believe he's saved through faith in the Messiah.
David believed His law is perfect and has written the longest in Psalms and I second him.
David understood His love no less than Paul and has expressed much in Psalms and I believe they don't contradict each other.
Unfortunately the love of God doesn't promise the way any wider.
I am not able to distinguish flesh and spirit much but I do know they are inseparable at least in this life so I'm not going to get too deep into philosophy or worse Gnosticism here.
My definition of the whole mirror is every word coming from His mouth although I have yet to grasp the whole mirror and of the broken pieces is neglecting any of His word.
It's a matter of how one believes.
David believed His law is perfect and he didn't have the NT but I believe he's saved through faith in the Messiah.
David believed His law is perfect and has written the longest in Psalms and I second him.
David understood His love no less than Paul and has expressed much in Psalms and I believe they don't contradict each other.
Unfortunately the love of God doesn't promise the way any wider.
I am not able to distinguish flesh and spirit much but I do know they are inseparable at least in this life so I'm not going to get too deep into philosophy or worse Gnosticism here.
The letter of the law is seeing it with a carnal mind. Right, our life is salvaged, by the unchanging truth of an unchanging living God including His law. The entire point I make is that we are the ones that change, not God. Sometimes we say things that seem to indicate that God changed because of the new covenant. That's false doctrine. His words of the old covenant is still valid in every respect. It takes a spiritual mind to see that. He is great, and He don't make mistakes, we do.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2 Timothy 3:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
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Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
But we are carnal sold under sin and can't ever be perfect in trying to obey the Law. We by the death of Christ are made perfect in Father's sight and can recieve new life in the Spirit of Father if we see this finished work for us to walk as Christ walked in Spirit and truth
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
But we are carnal sold under sin and can't ever be perfect in trying to obey the Law. We by the death of Christ are made perfect in Father's sight and can recieve new life in the Spirit of Father if we see this finished work for us to walk as Christ walked in Spirit and truth
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
And all I am doing is desiring to rightly divide the truth so that i stay free as God has already delivered this to me. I do not wish to be entangled with a yoke of bondage again as I once was.
John 8:32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Today I continue to trust God to keep me set free for that is the only way to be and stay free, any self efforts just put one back in bondage
Any works of flesh are not pleasing to God. Christ took care of the works of the flesh, by his death for us to die to flesh too and come alive at the resurrected Christ in the Spirit a gift to us from Father, any works added to this makes it not a gift
John 8:32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Today I continue to trust God to keep me set free for that is the only way to be and stay free, any self efforts just put one back in bondage
Any works of flesh are not pleasing to God. Christ took care of the works of the flesh, by his death for us to die to flesh too and come alive at the resurrected Christ in the Spirit a gift to us from Father, any works added to this makes it not a gift
Yes this is 100% correct, so why add Laws or try to edit them as to, which brings confusion,
For Christ the way the truth and the new life in Spirit, the Law of Faith and no Law of works.
For he came to fulfill the Law and Prophets, he did this and the Law that is left in literal form is for the Law breaker not for the saved
For Christ the way the truth and the new life in Spirit, the Law of Faith and no Law of works.
For he came to fulfill the Law and Prophets, he did this and the Law that is left in literal form is for the Law breaker not for the saved
C
Amazing thought.
Reminds me of Eph 5:25-26
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansingher by the washing with water through the word.
The word is spirit represented by oil. Cleansing by washing with water through the oil.
Peter said water symbolize baptism that saves. The resurrection of Yeshua saves.
Yeshua was the Word and the Word became flesh, died and resurrected. He's the living Word.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever. He proves it and I'm going crazy here.
Reminds me of Eph 5:25-26
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansingher by the washing with water through the word.
The word is spirit represented by oil. Cleansing by washing with water through the oil.
Peter said water symbolize baptism that saves. The resurrection of Yeshua saves.
Yeshua was the Word and the Word became flesh, died and resurrected. He's the living Word.
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God endures forever. He proves it and I'm going crazy here.
First of all if one does not see the annihilation of death in themselves revealed by the Law for in it one has to be perfect. or they die.
And Christ said if your eye lust after a woman you have already committed adultery, Gouge out the eye, better for part of you to go to heaven than all of you to go to hell. Cut off your hand if it sinned.
So if I follow this stringency wanting to go to heaven for eternity, I think by now I would be a torso, no hands=, no feet, no tongue, and so on
Get the picture?
It is only by Christ and through Can we be perfect as Christ is, made this way via his death for us in our place.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
This is a done deal it matters not what way one slices, dices and or cubes it, this is truth from the Mercy of God and this can't be changed it is what it is
So think it might be time to respond and quit trying to create since we are the creation, and not the creator?
And Christ said if your eye lust after a woman you have already committed adultery, Gouge out the eye, better for part of you to go to heaven than all of you to go to hell. Cut off your hand if it sinned.
So if I follow this stringency wanting to go to heaven for eternity, I think by now I would be a torso, no hands=, no feet, no tongue, and so on
Get the picture?
It is only by Christ and through Can we be perfect as Christ is, made this way via his death for us in our place.
Colossians 1:22 in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
This is a done deal it matters not what way one slices, dices and or cubes it, this is truth from the Mercy of God and this can't be changed it is what it is
So think it might be time to respond and quit trying to create since we are the creation, and not the creator?
James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Law of liberty is the same as the Holy Spirit of God
2 Corinthians 3:6 who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Does this help?
1 Corinthians 7:39 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.
James 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Law of liberty is the same as the Holy Spirit of God
2 Corinthians 3:6 who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Romans 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Does this help?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Works of flesh wiothout God leading in the Spirit is foolish and will burn up at judgment, and then ourselves will go through the fire as either survive it or not
Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Works of flesh wiothout God leading in the Spirit is foolish and will burn up at judgment, and then ourselves will go through the fire as either survive it or not
Amen Brother and David saw afar off and saw through what was coming by Christ and believed God, so he was able to say in confidence by Faith
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
And Job in confidence by Faith stated this:
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
All by Faith and just read Hebrews 11, by Faith and all by this Faith did works through Faith
Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
And Job in confidence by Faith stated this:
Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
All by Faith and just read Hebrews 11, by Faith and all by this Faith did works through Faith