Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?
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GOD COMMANDED TWO SILVER TRUMPETS TO SEND SURE SIGNALS: DAVID COMMANDED THE INSTRUMENTS BECAUSE THEY AND MANY PSALMS WERE ATTACK-YOUR-ENEMY CHANTS. NOTHING METRICAL about PSALMS. "Melody as tunefulness belongs to the 19th century."
If you will read Genesis 49 you will hear Jacob defining a Prophetic Pattern for the history of the Hebrews: He told us NOT to attend the assemblies of LEVI nor to enter into their covenant. They were to wait until Shiloh came. In Galatians Paul leapfrogs the cursed Monarchy and reconnects to the only spiritual covenant God in Christ made to Abraham.
After the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, these slaughter Levites volunteered to execute 3,000 of their idolatrous "brethren." After God abandoned them to worship the Starry Host and the elders Fired God as their final sin without redemption, it was DAVID to had a Works Project Administration to put them to work AFTER he had slaughtered all of those OWNERS claiming God's command that the Levites were given STAFF positions because "the had no inheritance."
Because of their prophesied (Isaiah 49) propensity. The LEVITES Stood in RANKS by God's command to EXECUTE any godly civilian or even a not-on-duty Levite who came NEAR or into any holy thing or place. Nadab and Abihu had to enter to get to the incense altar.
After all of the sacrifices for ATONEMENT without any Levites.
Preparation of the Military for the holocaust
2Chr. 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD [court]
......with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps,
......according to the commandment of David,
...... and of Gad the king’s seer,
The command of David, David's Stargazer they STOOD IN RANKS with instruments and swords.
If you will read Genesis 49 you will hear Jacob defining a Prophetic Pattern for the history of the Hebrews: He told us NOT to attend the assemblies of LEVI nor to enter into their covenant. They were to wait until Shiloh came. In Galatians Paul leapfrogs the cursed Monarchy and reconnects to the only spiritual covenant God in Christ made to Abraham.
After the musical idolatry at Mount Sinai, these slaughter Levites volunteered to execute 3,000 of their idolatrous "brethren." After God abandoned them to worship the Starry Host and the elders Fired God as their final sin without redemption, it was DAVID to had a Works Project Administration to put them to work AFTER he had slaughtered all of those OWNERS claiming God's command that the Levites were given STAFF positions because "the had no inheritance."
Because of their prophesied (Isaiah 49) propensity. The LEVITES Stood in RANKS by God's command to EXECUTE any godly civilian or even a not-on-duty Levite who came NEAR or into any holy thing or place. Nadab and Abihu had to enter to get to the incense altar.
After all of the sacrifices for ATONEMENT without any Levites.
Preparation of the Military for the holocaust
2Chr. 29:25 And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD [court]
......with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps,
......according to the commandment of David,
...... and of Gad the king’s seer,
The command of David, David's Stargazer they STOOD IN RANKS with instruments and swords.
Preparation of the priests for the holocaust
......and Nathan the prophet:
......for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
In fact, Christ in Isaiah 1 and Jeremiah 7 said God did not COMMAND that to which HE abandones people......and Nathan the prophet:
......for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
2Chr. 29:26 And the Levites stood [in RANKS] with the instruments of David,
......and the priests with the trumpets. [Commanded by Moses A prophet]
2Chr. 29:27 And Hezekiah commanded
......to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
............And when the burnt offering began,
............the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
............and with the instruments ORDAINED by David king of Israel.
WHEN THEY MADE NOSE WHO ORDAINED THE INSTRUMENTS?
The kings had been turned over to worship the starry host. Therefore, the instruments are used only during the BURNT OFFERING which the Prophet Jeremiah has God saying I DID NOT COMMAND THIS.
2Chr. 29:28 And all the congregation worshipped,
......and the singers sang,
......and the trumpeters sounded:
......and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.
CHRIST SAID THAT GOD DID NOT COMMAND SACRIFICES OR BURN OFFERNINGS: Just before 2 Chronicles 29 and just after it the people paused momentarily from BURNING INFANTS but as soon as Hezekiah died they resumed their worship of the starry hose to which God ABANDONED them.
......and the priests with the trumpets. [Commanded by Moses A prophet]
2Chr. 29:27 And Hezekiah commanded
......to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
............And when the burnt offering began,
............the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
............and with the instruments ORDAINED by David king of Israel.
WHEN THEY MADE NOSE WHO ORDAINED THE INSTRUMENTS?
The kings had been turned over to worship the starry host. Therefore, the instruments are used only during the BURNT OFFERING which the Prophet Jeremiah has God saying I DID NOT COMMAND THIS.
2Chr. 29:28 And all the congregation worshipped,
......and the singers sang,
......and the trumpeters sounded:
......and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.
CHRIST SAID THAT GOD DID NOT COMMAND SACRIFICES OR BURN OFFERNINGS: Just before 2 Chronicles 29 and just after it the people paused momentarily from BURNING INFANTS but as soon as Hezekiah died they resumed their worship of the starry hose to which God ABANDONED them.
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thank you; it feels so good to laugh!!
were the "instruments of David" swords & other instruments of slaughter for a holocaust?
And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.
(2 Chronicles 7:6)
hahahahahahahahahaha!
were the "instruments of David" swords & other instruments of slaughter for a holocaust?
And the priests waited on their offices: the Levites also with instruments of musick of the LORD, which David the king had made to praise the LORD, because his mercy endureth for ever, when David praised by their ministry; and the priests sounded trumpets before them, and all Israel stood.
(2 Chronicles 7:6)
hahahahahahahahahaha!
... and with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the Lord, because his mercy endureth for ever; and with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should make a sound, and with musical instruments of God.
(1 Chronicles 16:41-42)
these are your "swords" that the priests supposedly stood on guard with, ready to kill anyone who dared make a rythmic sound.
LOL
truly, you have "given hilariously"
(1 Chronicles 16:41-42)
these are your "swords" that the priests supposedly stood on guard with, ready to kill anyone who dared make a rythmic sound.
LOL
truly, you have "given hilariously"
Paul commanded that we SPEAK psalms, hymns and spiritual songs (all types in the BOOK of Psalms). SPEAK is the opposite of ODE and ODE is the opposite of SPEAK. I took half a century to learn how to read Ephesians 5 in Paul's use of ANTITHESIS:
SPEAK to one another with that which is written for our LEARNING and COMFORT. Got that.
BUT ODE and PSALLO in (EN, EIS) the heart. So I don't hear you picking and a grinning while I am listening to the word being PREACHED by being READ.
It's okey-dokey to sang and clang because no one I know of has any respect for the direct command to SPEAK that which is writen with the MARK of Christ in Isaiah 8 for those who do not as HAVING NO LIGHT IN THEM.
Now, a Psalm is a poetic but NOT musical version of the Prose text.
ONLY THE PSALMS WERE CHANTED:
By the time of Gregory I (circa 600), the Mass and Office had assumed a fixed shape and antiphonal psalmody (the chanting of a psalm alternately by two choirs) and responsorial psalmody (when the congregation responded to a psalm sung by a cantor) were institutionalized.The distinction between these types later faded.
By the time of Gregory I (circa 600), the Mass and Office had assumed a fixed shape and antiphonal psalmody (the chanting of a psalm alternately by two choirs) and responsorial psalmody (when the congregation responded to a psalm sung by a cantor) were institutionalized. The distinction between these types later faded.
In the 16th century, Protestant churches encouraged congregational psalm singing by adopting metrical versions in the vernacular. An important early translation was Clèment Marot's, the basis of the Calvinist psalter. A repertory of tunes came into being; these were set in a simple chordal style in collections which included Loys Bourgeois's complete psalter (1563), widely recognized as a standard version. Some later settings were more contrapuntal; Le Jeune and others dropped the tunes and composed what amounted to free motets.
Modern exegetes do not agree in this matter. For a time many would admit no metre at all in the Psalms. Davison (Hast., "Dict. of the Bible", s. v.) writes: " though metre is NOT discernible in the Psalms, it does not follow that rhythm is excluded".
This rhythm, however, "defies analysis and systematization". Driver ("Introd. to Lit. of O. T.", New York, 1892, 339) admits in Hebrew poetry
"no metre in the strict sense of the term".
Exegetes who find metre in the Psalms are of four schools,
according as they explain Hebrew metre by quantity, by the number of syllables, by accent, or by both quantity and accent. (from The Catholic Encyclopedia)
A Cantor is a Chanter: The Jews cantillated which is Paul's SPEAK. Both singing AND melody (or grace) was IN THE HEART to specificially exclude the external meaning of Psallo which is a warfare word.
You could not sing TUNEFULLY nor could you accompany ANY of "that which is written for our LEARNING" (Rom 15 which defines the assembly inclusively and exclusively.)
Now, I can't tell you what kind of theologial dislexia translated SPEAK psalms, hymns and spiritual songs to SING that which is written by the Praise Leader (an old Babylonian Encomianst)
SPEAK to one another with that which is written for our LEARNING and COMFORT. Got that.
BUT ODE and PSALLO in (EN, EIS) the heart. So I don't hear you picking and a grinning while I am listening to the word being PREACHED by being READ.
It's okey-dokey to sang and clang because no one I know of has any respect for the direct command to SPEAK that which is writen with the MARK of Christ in Isaiah 8 for those who do not as HAVING NO LIGHT IN THEM.
Now, a Psalm is a poetic but NOT musical version of the Prose text.
ONLY THE PSALMS WERE CHANTED:
By the time of Gregory I (circa 600), the Mass and Office had assumed a fixed shape and antiphonal psalmody (the chanting of a psalm alternately by two choirs) and responsorial psalmody (when the congregation responded to a psalm sung by a cantor) were institutionalized.The distinction between these types later faded.
By the time of Gregory I (circa 600), the Mass and Office had assumed a fixed shape and antiphonal psalmody (the chanting of a psalm alternately by two choirs) and responsorial psalmody (when the congregation responded to a psalm sung by a cantor) were institutionalized. The distinction between these types later faded.
In the 16th century, Protestant churches encouraged congregational psalm singing by adopting metrical versions in the vernacular. An important early translation was Clèment Marot's, the basis of the Calvinist psalter. A repertory of tunes came into being; these were set in a simple chordal style in collections which included Loys Bourgeois's complete psalter (1563), widely recognized as a standard version. Some later settings were more contrapuntal; Le Jeune and others dropped the tunes and composed what amounted to free motets.
Modern exegetes do not agree in this matter. For a time many would admit no metre at all in the Psalms. Davison (Hast., "Dict. of the Bible", s. v.) writes: " though metre is NOT discernible in the Psalms, it does not follow that rhythm is excluded".
This rhythm, however, "defies analysis and systematization". Driver ("Introd. to Lit. of O. T.", New York, 1892, 339) admits in Hebrew poetry
"no metre in the strict sense of the term".
Exegetes who find metre in the Psalms are of four schools,
according as they explain Hebrew metre by quantity, by the number of syllables, by accent, or by both quantity and accent. (from The Catholic Encyclopedia)
A Cantor is a Chanter: The Jews cantillated which is Paul's SPEAK. Both singing AND melody (or grace) was IN THE HEART to specificially exclude the external meaning of Psallo which is a warfare word.
You could not sing TUNEFULLY nor could you accompany ANY of "that which is written for our LEARNING" (Rom 15 which defines the assembly inclusively and exclusively.)
Now, I can't tell you what kind of theologial dislexia translated SPEAK psalms, hymns and spiritual songs to SING that which is written by the Praise Leader (an old Babylonian Encomianst)
Gen. 49:5 Simeon and Levi are brethren;
......instruments of cruelty are [h3627 psaltery, weapon]
......in their habitations. [stabbing, burning Bello to wage or carry on war, to war, to fight in war.
......[counsel: don't look to Levi for a pattern]
.....unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united:
......for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce;
......and their wrath, for it was cruel:
......I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Genesis 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise:
......thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies;
......thy father’s children shall bow down before thee.
Genesis 49:9 Judah is a lion’s whelp:
......from the prey, my son, thou art gone up:
......he stooped down, he couched as a lion,
......and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah,
......nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come;
......and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Like I say, if that is what you want to do or defend then GOD wants you to do it.
......instruments of cruelty are [h3627 psaltery, weapon]
......in their habitations. [stabbing, burning Bello to wage or carry on war, to war, to fight in war.
Caes. Gal. 1.2 incited by lust of sovereignty, formed a conspiracy among the nobility, and persuaded the people to go forth from their territories with all their possessions, [saying] that it would be very easy, since they excelled all in valor, to acquire the supremacy of the whole of Gaul.
From these circumstances it resulted, that they could range less widely, and could less easily make war upon their neighbors; for which reason men fond of war [as they were] were affected with great regret. They thought, that considering the extent of their population, and their renown for warfare and bravery, they had but narrow limits, although they extended in length 240, and in breadth 180 [Roman] miles.
This was the condition when David had destroyed all of the enemies and he had a host of Levites on his hand.
From these circumstances it resulted, that they could range less widely, and could less easily make war upon their neighbors; for which reason men fond of war [as they were] were affected with great regret. They thought, that considering the extent of their population, and their renown for warfare and bravery, they had but narrow limits, although they extended in length 240, and in breadth 180 [Roman] miles.
This was the condition when David had destroyed all of the enemies and he had a host of Levites on his hand.
Iniquitas B. Unfairness, injustice, unreasonableness: luxuria, praetoris, unreasonable demands in the shape of taxes,
Sabbath "worship" and Tithes came from Babylon.
Gen. 49:6 O my soul, come not thou into their secret; Sabbath "worship" and Tithes came from Babylon.
......[counsel: don't look to Levi for a pattern]
.....unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united:
......for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
Gen. 49:7 Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce;
......and their wrath, for it was cruel:
......I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel.
Genesis 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise:
......thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies;
......thy father’s children shall bow down before thee.
Genesis 49:9 Judah is a lion’s whelp:
......from the prey, my son, thou art gone up:
......he stooped down, he couched as a lion,
......and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Genesis 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah,
......nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come;
......and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Like I say, if that is what you want to do or defend then GOD wants you to do it.
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of course. that is why so many are directed "to the chief musician" and why the Jews to this day sing them.
have you ever even read the Psalms?
even in English, they can (and ought to) be sung - and beautifully.
what you are telling me is that this is impossible:
[video=youtube_share;YvhWTWpNWL0]http://youtu.be/YvhWTWpNWL0[/video]
the lyrics this man is singing are Psalm 91 word-for-word. He's obeying the command given in Ephesians and Colossians.
1 Chron 16:40 To offer burnt offerings unto the Lord upon the altar of the burnt offering continually morning and evening, and to do according to all that is , which he commanded Israel;
1 Chron 16:41 And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the Lord, because his mercy endureth for ever;
1 Chron 16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should [SIZE=+1]make a sound[/SIZE], and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.
The SOUND, in fact, forced NON NATIONAL FUNCTIONAIRIES outside the gates and on their face. When the burning was completed the GREAT SOUND CEASED letting people know that they could go about their business.
H8085 shama shaw-mah' A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.) X attentively, call (gather) together, discern, give ear, (cause to, let, make to) hear (-ken, tell), X indeed, listen,
After the processional with music in which the ark was brought to Jerusalem it is said:
"The ancient Tabernacle was now divided; the ark was brought into Zion, whereas the brazen altar at least, and probably the vessels of the holy place (ex. 25:23-40; 37:10-28; 40:22-27), were established in the high place at Gibeon.
Asaph and the singers (1 Chron. 6:31-47; 15:16-19; 16:5; 25:6) were left before the ark,while the priests ministered in Gibeon before the Tabernacle (16:39)." (Schofield Bible, p. 478-479).
"The original altar of Burnt-offering continued at Gibeon with the Tabernacle (2 Chr. 1:3, 5). David must have erected a new altar for sacrifice at Jerusalem.
> The sacrifices commanded by the Law were, it appears, offered at the former place (Gibeon);
> at the latter were offered voluntary additional sacrifices." (Albert Barnes, 1 Chron, p. 347).
"The book of Psalms contain new doctrine after the Law of Moses. And after the writing of Moses, it is the second book of doctrine... (David) first gave to the Hebrews a new style of psalmody, by which he abrogates the ordinances established by Moses with respect to sacrifices, and introduces the new hymn and a new style of jubilantpraise in the worship of God; and throughout his whole ministry he teaches very many other things that went beyond the law of Moses." (Fragment of Commentary by Hippolytus, bishop of Rome, Ante-Nicene, V, p. 170)
The truly greak kings always sought to restore the worship commanded by God through Moses. This musical worship would have been private devotion and:
"The absence of instrumental music from the services of the tabernacle continued not only during the wandering of the Israelites in the desert, but after their entrance into the promised land, throughout the protracted period of the Judges, the reign of Saul, and a part of David's. This is a noteworthy fact. Although David was a lover of instrumental music, and himself a performer upon the harp, it was not until some time after his reign had begun that this order of things was changed." (Girardeau, George, Instrumental Music, p. 29).
THAT'S too late to be from the Law of Moses and too early before Christ repudiated it.
1 Chron 16:41 And with them Heman and Jeduthun, and the rest that were chosen, who were expressed by name, to give thanks to the Lord, because his mercy endureth for ever;
1 Chron 16:42 And with them Heman and Jeduthun with trumpets and cymbals for those that should [SIZE=+1]make a sound[/SIZE], and with musical instruments of God. And the sons of Jeduthun were porters.
The SOUND, in fact, forced NON NATIONAL FUNCTIONAIRIES outside the gates and on their face. When the burning was completed the GREAT SOUND CEASED letting people know that they could go about their business.
H8085 shama shaw-mah' A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.) X attentively, call (gather) together, discern, give ear, (cause to, let, make to) hear (-ken, tell), X indeed, listen,
After the processional with music in which the ark was brought to Jerusalem it is said:
"The ancient Tabernacle was now divided; the ark was brought into Zion, whereas the brazen altar at least, and probably the vessels of the holy place (ex. 25:23-40; 37:10-28; 40:22-27), were established in the high place at Gibeon.
Asaph and the singers (1 Chron. 6:31-47; 15:16-19; 16:5; 25:6) were left before the ark,while the priests ministered in Gibeon before the Tabernacle (16:39)." (Schofield Bible, p. 478-479).
"The original altar of Burnt-offering continued at Gibeon with the Tabernacle (2 Chr. 1:3, 5). David must have erected a new altar for sacrifice at Jerusalem.
> The sacrifices commanded by the Law were, it appears, offered at the former place (Gibeon);
> at the latter were offered voluntary additional sacrifices." (Albert Barnes, 1 Chron, p. 347).
"The book of Psalms contain new doctrine after the Law of Moses. And after the writing of Moses, it is the second book of doctrine... (David) first gave to the Hebrews a new style of psalmody, by which he abrogates the ordinances established by Moses with respect to sacrifices, and introduces the new hymn and a new style of jubilantpraise in the worship of God; and throughout his whole ministry he teaches very many other things that went beyond the law of Moses." (Fragment of Commentary by Hippolytus, bishop of Rome, Ante-Nicene, V, p. 170)
The truly greak kings always sought to restore the worship commanded by God through Moses. This musical worship would have been private devotion and:
"The absence of instrumental music from the services of the tabernacle continued not only during the wandering of the Israelites in the desert, but after their entrance into the promised land, throughout the protracted period of the Judges, the reign of Saul, and a part of David's. This is a noteworthy fact. Although David was a lover of instrumental music, and himself a performer upon the harp, it was not until some time after his reign had begun that this order of things was changed." (Girardeau, George, Instrumental Music, p. 29).
THAT'S too late to be from the Law of Moses and too early before Christ repudiated it.
It is a fact that you can set any psalm into meter IF you break up the sentences, break words into syllables and add all of the pauses and stretch to fit YOUR melody. You can change the meaning by the inflection of the voice. The Jews added accent marks to make certain that no one added to took away or made commentary by accents. The human accents are used to enchant or turn a simple poem into what everyone called sorcery.
I can ADD to the Gettesburg Address and turn it into Rock and Roll or Rap. It would not be remotely possible for anyone of that time and place to SING in a tuneful sense. The point is that Paul commanded SPEAK and lexis is opposite to ODE when even then was not tuneful.
By DEFINITION when you hear this song you are worshiping or giving your attendance to the man, his persona, his talent and never grasp the meaning of the text:
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Luke 4:11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
I can ADD to the Gettesburg Address and turn it into Rock and Roll or Rap. It would not be remotely possible for anyone of that time and place to SING in a tuneful sense. The point is that Paul commanded SPEAK and lexis is opposite to ODE when even then was not tuneful.
By DEFINITION when you hear this song you are worshiping or giving your attendance to the man, his persona, his talent and never grasp the meaning of the text:
Luke 4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Luke 4:9 And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
Luke 4:10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
Luke 4:11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
this statement is an example of what is known in Tennessee as "hogwash" as well as several other less kind, but perhaps more colorful euphemisms.
David, the Lord's anointed, the man after God's own heart, doesn't seem to agree either:
I will sing unto the LORD as long as I live: I will sing praise to my God while I have my being.
My meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the LORD.
(Psalm 104:33-34)
'sweet meditation' is not 'worthless meditation'
please don't go find something by Livy that's completely unrelated and quote it out of context now to show me that "sweet" actually means "evil."
there is no need to sow any more confusion that what you've already done.
it certainly is interesting that it appears music and song were incorporated by David into the approved worship of God at the tabernacle and later by proxy at the temple.
especially considering that no other king of Israel was ever as loved by God and by the nation.
David - the man after God's own heart - must have seen a somber, dull ceremony and the vacant, un-engaged stares of the people, and thought 'this is all wrong - we should be rejoicing in God with thanksgiving and praise!'
could this be why he was so favored by the Lord?
i should add to the post above, David wasn't favored because of music & singing or dancing, but because his heart was after God.
this is what the Lord is concerned about. our hearts. i don't care if you worship in utter silence or complete cacophony - if your heart is after God, the Lord delights in your devotion.
this is what the Lord is concerned about. our hearts. i don't care if you worship in utter silence or complete cacophony - if your heart is after God, the Lord delights in your devotion.
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I listened to the youtube song. It was beautiful, my words can't do it justice, the guitars were awesome, as much as I liked it I cannot call it WORSHIP to my God the Father. I am sorry, I just can't by what I believe the bible teaches.
The one place when that showed the close up of him picking the tone was something else.
Thanks I really enjoyed it.
I hope I am not bidding God Speed to sin. But, I don't think many would not like it.
The one place when that showed the close up of him picking the tone was something else.
Thanks I really enjoyed it.
I hope I am not bidding God Speed to sin. But, I don't think many would not like it.
Pete, if i'm perfectly honest, nothing i have ever done on earth has ever felt worthy of being called WORSHIP in the truest sense. i think that when we are finally raised up in Christ in our resurrection bodies, then we will be able to truly worship.
in just walking alone with God and meditating, in reading scriptures, in praying, in listening to sermons and teaching, as well as in song, i've felt many times full of joy & thanksgiving, ready to burst, but completely unable to really express what i felt -- do you know what i mean?
i don't mean to tell anyone 'you must worship with songs' or with music or with anything else. we ought to do try to worship in whatever way we are comfortable with, so we can concentrate on the one we mean to worship, and some people have some hangups and some people have other ones. i'm just making a lot of noise in this thread because i am sure it's wrong to condemn the use of music toward worship.
i'm glad you liked the song. that group has recorded a whole lot of Psalms - that's all they do - and youtube has videos of a number of them. it's easier for me personally to memorize psalms, and 'hide them in my heart' if i can sing them to some melody, so at the very least it's been a blessing to me that musicians like them are doing this with the scripture.
in just walking alone with God and meditating, in reading scriptures, in praying, in listening to sermons and teaching, as well as in song, i've felt many times full of joy & thanksgiving, ready to burst, but completely unable to really express what i felt -- do you know what i mean?
i don't mean to tell anyone 'you must worship with songs' or with music or with anything else. we ought to do try to worship in whatever way we are comfortable with, so we can concentrate on the one we mean to worship, and some people have some hangups and some people have other ones. i'm just making a lot of noise in this thread because i am sure it's wrong to condemn the use of music toward worship.
i'm glad you liked the song. that group has recorded a whole lot of Psalms - that's all they do - and youtube has videos of a number of them. it's easier for me personally to memorize psalms, and 'hide them in my heart' if i can sing them to some melody, so at the very least it's been a blessing to me that musicians like them are doing this with the scripture.
It was a fine song: as the Greeks would say it fits with wine and deep sleep. And that reminds met that I need another cup of coffee, a few nuts and some recliner time.
David was excused for going into the Holy Place only because he was starving: If David had gone INTO the Tabernacle or Temple the command of God was that he was to be executed by the Levites.
The Hebrew, lebab or heart, simply means that God choose David to be king. Remember, that the Israelites defined the nature of the first king and he failed to carry out God's commands to be a king. Remember also that the king was not to be the religious leader but the civil, military leader. Furthermore, God selected David when he was an innocent shepherd
"The quotation from Acts refers to David early in life, before he had fallen into those great sins which cast such a shadow upon his administration...This commendation is not absolute, but describes the character of David in comparison with that of Saul...It merely indicates a man whom God will approve, in distinction from Saul, who was rejected" (Haley's Bible Handbook, p. 222).
When people are compared to David it is during his first ways and not his last ways:
And the Lord was with Jehoshaphat,
because he walked in the first ways of his father David,
and sought not unto Baalim; 2Chr.17:3
24. Their sins became exceedingly many, so as to remove them from their land.
25. For they sought out every sort of wickedness, till vengeance came upon them.
Ecclesiastes. 48
1. Then the prophet Elijah arose like a fire, and his word burned like a torch.
2. He brought a famine upon them, and by his zeal he made them few in number.
3. By the word of the Lord he shut up the heavens, and also three times brought down fire.
4. How glorious you were, O Elijah, in your wondrous deeds! And who has the right to boast which you have?
5. You who raised a corpse from death and from Hades, by the word of the Most High;
6. who brought kings down to destruction, and famous men from their beds;
7. who heard rebuke at Sinai and judgments of vengeance at Horeb;
8. who anointed kings to inflict retribution,and prophets to succeed you.
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. Hosea 13:9
I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? Hosea 13:10
I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. Hosea 13:11
"The Israelite state was not founded with divine blessing. Rather, it was allowed as a grudging concession, just as a parent lets a child have his way in order that he may learn his folly from experience." (Anderson, Bernard, Theology of the O.T. p. 163).
"In one sense the creation of the monarchy was providential...In retrospect, one can say that events which brought about the collapse of the Confederacy and the rise of the Israelite state were not...devoid of divine purpose. God's revelation is relevant to the whole of human life--to economics, politics, and every sphere of human activity.
If God would speak to the nations through Israel, then Israel must undergo the experience of being a nation in order that she might appreciate the wealth of nationhood and attack the idolatrous power of nationalism." (Bernard Anderson, p. 163)
David was excused for going into the Holy Place only because he was starving: If David had gone INTO the Tabernacle or Temple the command of God was that he was to be executed by the Levites.
The Hebrew, lebab or heart, simply means that God choose David to be king. Remember, that the Israelites defined the nature of the first king and he failed to carry out God's commands to be a king. Remember also that the king was not to be the religious leader but the civil, military leader. Furthermore, God selected David when he was an innocent shepherd
"The quotation from Acts refers to David early in life, before he had fallen into those great sins which cast such a shadow upon his administration...This commendation is not absolute, but describes the character of David in comparison with that of Saul...It merely indicates a man whom God will approve, in distinction from Saul, who was rejected" (Haley's Bible Handbook, p. 222).
When people are compared to David it is during his first ways and not his last ways:
And the Lord was with Jehoshaphat,
because he walked in the first ways of his father David,
and sought not unto Baalim; 2Chr.17:3
24. Their sins became exceedingly many, so as to remove them from their land.
25. For they sought out every sort of wickedness, till vengeance came upon them.
Ecclesiastes. 48
1. Then the prophet Elijah arose like a fire, and his word burned like a torch.
2. He brought a famine upon them, and by his zeal he made them few in number.
3. By the word of the Lord he shut up the heavens, and also three times brought down fire.
4. How glorious you were, O Elijah, in your wondrous deeds! And who has the right to boast which you have?
5. You who raised a corpse from death and from Hades, by the word of the Most High;
6. who brought kings down to destruction, and famous men from their beds;
7. who heard rebuke at Sinai and judgments of vengeance at Horeb;
8. who anointed kings to inflict retribution,and prophets to succeed you.
O Israel, thou hast destroyed thyself; but in me is thine help. Hosea 13:9
I will be thy king: where is any other that may save thee in all thy cities? and thy judges of whom thou saidst, Give me a king and princes? Hosea 13:10
I gave thee a king in mine anger, and took him away in my wrath. Hosea 13:11
"The Israelite state was not founded with divine blessing. Rather, it was allowed as a grudging concession, just as a parent lets a child have his way in order that he may learn his folly from experience." (Anderson, Bernard, Theology of the O.T. p. 163).
"In one sense the creation of the monarchy was providential...In retrospect, one can say that events which brought about the collapse of the Confederacy and the rise of the Israelite state were not...devoid of divine purpose. God's revelation is relevant to the whole of human life--to economics, politics, and every sphere of human activity.
If God would speak to the nations through Israel, then Israel must undergo the experience of being a nation in order that she might appreciate the wealth of nationhood and attack the idolatrous power of nationalism." (Bernard Anderson, p. 163)
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