New member who is depressed and needs someone to talk to.

angelnicole · Mar 26, 2014

I am now starting to have doubt's about god's existence because of all the negative things I hear, read and see on television, and over the internet. People are saying that the big bang theory and evolution has been proven to be true, that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence for it. On top of that, Bill Bye won the evolutionary vs creation debate against ken ham. I know scientist are really smart so I don't think they'd be making all of these things up. Even some Christians believe evolution to be true.

I have also been hearing and reading that religion was invented by slave masters during slavery days and that religion was forced upon slaves by their slave masters, and that the bible was copied from other Greek mythology books. I read that all these things are true and it really hurts me a lot to hear others say these things. I feel very depressed that I have not been able to eat or get much sleep at all. It hurts that I have gone my entire life believing there is god to hear others provide proof saying it's not true.

I really need someone to talk to. I really appreciate you taking the time out to read this.

faroukfarouk · Mar 26, 2014

angelnicole said:

Why would God be the same as the liars you listen to?

Good to see you here.

In the end, it's the Bible that is the yardstick. Hebrews 11.6: 'He that comes to God, must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him'.

Paul to the Corinthian Christians says, about the Lord Jesus Who died at the Cross for sinners: 'All the promises of God in Him are Yea, and in Him, Amen, to the glory of God by us' (2 Corinthians 1.20).

God bless His Word to you.

Ugly · Mar 26, 2014

angelnicole said:

'I hear this, i hear that', but really you're just hearing people say things, but they aren't proving anything. You haven't seen evidence of such things, yet you are quick to believe them just because someone says so. So, lets say one day, you stop believing in God, then you go repeat these things with no evidence, to others. Now all you're doing is perpetuating ideas that have never been proven to you. Just because someone makes a claim doesn't mean it's a valid claim. Many people speak more out of ignorance than evidence.

Big bang ''theory''? If it's a theory, how is it proven true? Because then it's no longer a theory.
Also, even if there were proof the the big bang, so what? That is not proof that God doesn't exist. Most Christians are taught the magical 7 days of creation as literal, but not all Christians believe that. Many Christians also believe in the big bang as coming from God.

Sounds pretty obvious you haven't spent much time reading your bible. If you had you'd realize that what's going on now is nothing new.
The first family in all of creation, Adam and Eves kids, one murdered the other.
King David lusted after a married woman and sent her husband off to war to die.
Read the book of Nahum, it's essentially about war.
Sodom and Gomorrah, where they demanded the '2 strangers (angels, unknown to them)' be released to the townspeople so they could 'have their way' with them. The towns were so evil God had them destroyed.
Look at Noah, the entire world became so evil God killed everyone on it except a small handful of people.
All throughout the bible and secular history are violence, lust, hate, murder, lies, deceit, vanity and any other kind of sin you can come up with.
Not to mention the bible itself predicts that the world will become more enveloped in sin and evil ways. That nations will war, brother will turn against brother, that sin will increase. In reality, all the evil you see is Proof of Gods existence. And, is evidence against atheistic evolution. Evolution is the claim things, people, nature, etc.. evolve into better things they start with. Yet humanity is devolving into more and more base creatures.

Scientists would never lie??? Why? Aren't they human? Are scientists exempt from the effects of selfishness or sin? Scientists typically have an agenda to be proven right, not to discover truth.
And before you think scientists are so righteous, i can think of one specific instance where the 'missing link' was supposed to have been found. The news spread all over the world. Two scientists found the remains and claimed this was evidence of evolution. Scientists all over were quick to believe and endorse this claim without having seen it for themselves. That is until it turned out to be a fake. The two men who made the claim lied, and purposefully created a fake set of remains to suit their beliefs, because they wanted to be right. So i'm not sure why you think scientists are the one honest sect of humanity, when they're just human like the rest of us, and can have agendas like so many others.

Be cautious of accepting the unproven words of people. Most people are quick to accept what they hear without looking into it (just as you are doing now). Don't let doubts get to you until you have proven claims to be true.

jogoldie · Mar 26, 2014

Angel dear girl..so many passages..come to mind ...but I can tell you I have lived a long life and the only thing im sure of is that God does for a fact exist...Jesus is the only constant thing ...God has saved me from certain doom...I have no idea where I would be today if not for Him..probably dead...I have so many stories ..I can witness numerous times that the only answer was GOD.heres one that happened just this past nov..
I was riding my bicycle home from work..I was hit by a car..thrown 10ft. The police and every one there thought I was dead...long story short ...I broke the whole left side..4mos. Later im writing to you and all that is left to heal is my knee..which im quite certain God is working on that...ive seen miracles..keep studying and arm yourself. for these crazy therories are just that theroies..and have been for centuries...
..the devil is a liar and the master of confusion...so seek God diligently and be obedient..He will reveal many wonders to you...oh heres the kicker..the guy who hit me had no insurance and im not even concerned...God provided me with the money that came 2weeks after the accident..I wasnt even expecting this large check...another gift from God...im praying for you and please stick with Him..

angelnicole · Mar 26, 2014

If Evolution is not true then why do scientist say they've proved it to be true.

faroukfarouk · Mar 26, 2014

angelnicole said:

Which means, Stake your eternal destiny on the empty promises of secularists who think that the idea that we just happened is easier to believe than that God created us.

But it's the Scriptures that are the real yardstick.

But Christians can talk to secularists until they are blue in the face, and it won't make any difference until God changes their hearts.

levi85 · Mar 26, 2014

God has created us in His own image. until and unless God himself reveals to you, it is difficult and impossible for you to know Him, because of the limitation of the Human, mind, work, knowledge, you can simply have a prayer to the Lord. and i hope and pray that God speaks to you, Amen

onehighvoice · Mar 26, 2014

Welcome to the site. You have read and heard much but somehow I hope that herein you find the answers you are seeking. Keep searching and please do not settle until you know that you know what YOU believe.

Animus · Mar 27, 2014

I have often heard people say that religion started for this reason or that reason, and their explanations seem reasonable, but they have literally no evidence.Theories about anything are going to seem reasonable, because that's exactly how they are made. If I woke up tomorrow and found my lawn wet, I might make a theory that it rained that night. If I looked at my next-door neighbors lawns, and they were all wet as well, I would think my theory was a good theory. I might successfully predict from my theory that the wall of my house will still be wet, and when I look I find that it is. But if I keep walking down the street and see that most of the neighbors lawns are dry, I would have to come up with an alternate explanation. So obviously there is going to be evidence for evolution, it is a theory based on evidence we have, but we very well might not have nearly enough evidence to really know what is happened. We will get a picture that is right in some aspects, and very wrong in others. It might be helpful for making some guesses in science, but it is useless for what atheists are trying to use it for.

People often try to describe the universe in terms of causes. Like a line of dominoes, one thing happens, which leads to another thing, and another, and this process continues indefinitely. A ball sitting on a table does not roll on it's own, it rolls because it was hit by another ball, which was rolling because someone decided to hit it,etc.. But if you trace this process backwards you will find that there had to be a first cause, some singular cause that is the cause of all other causes. Something that exists outside space and time had to create space and time. You have two choices, either you believe that the ball on the table started to roll by itself, or that someone hit the ball. This thing would have to exist outside of space and time, because it created space and time. It is not made of matter because it created matter, and matter cannot exist with space and time.

If you listen to people quarreling you will inevitably hear someone say something like "That's not fair, you made a promise" or "I shared with you, now you should share with me". Everyday people make the assumption that there is some standard which all people at bottom understand, and ought to follow. When people break promises they often say that the promise was not fair, you will rarely hear the say, "I don't care", because deep down, they agree about the standard, they would just like an exception in there case. Some people say that this is evolutionary instinct, a herd mentality. But often this herd mentality comes in direct contradiction with the survival instinct. If you hear a man crying for help, you have two instincts, the herd instinct is telling you to help him, and the survival instinct is telling you to not risk your own life. But there is a third thing that is telling you which instinct you ought to follow, and which you ought to suppress. This third thing is neither of the instincts, it comes from somewhere else, and it often sides with the weaker of the impulses, and causes you to do things like stir up your pity for the man in order to get you to do what you don't want to do, but know that you should. This third thing cannot be accounted for without presupposing the existence of God.

Saint_Cecilia · Mar 27, 2014

Hello and Welcome!

I pray you find the answers you seek.

God Bless

♡

Animus · Mar 27, 2014

angelnicole said:

Micro-evolution is proven to be true (as far as a scientific theory can be proven but I will get into that later). Micro-evolution is just small adaptations resulting from natural selection. When Darwin looked at the finches on this one island he saw that they had larger beaks that allowed them to get at the food inside of the trees. The reason they had these large beaks is because the birds with smaller beaks would die without the food, and only large beaked birds remained. But this doesn't explain how a land animal could turn into a sea animal for example. The second type of evolution is macro-evolution, where one species changes into another. This has never been observed. But micro-evolution isn't at all opposed to Christianity or the Bible.

It is difficult to say that anything in science can be proven because it is difficult to say that anything in math can be proven. Everymathematical proof starts with axioms, statements that are assumed tobe true, and then the proof goes on from there. An axiom in PeanoArithmetic is 1 + 0 = 1. This assumption, along with 6 or so others,can be used to make up the entire system of numbers. However, theaxioms themselves are not proven, and even if you were to prove themyou would have to prove them using axioms that were not proven. If we want to go about proving anything using our reason we must first assume that our ability to reason can be trusted. There is no proof that our ability to reason can be trusted, but if we don't make this assumption then we have to stop reasoning, which our reason tells us would be unreasonable.

Here is a video by David Berlinski (who is not religious) about evolution.
[video=youtube;VHeSaUq-Hl8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8[/video]

As an aside, evolution and materialism has become a philosophical escape from morality. It claims that people are animals, so they act like animals. If you try to tell them that one day they will be held accountable for their actions they will say anything to shut you up (remember, they don't believe lying is objectively wrong).

bluebirdchaser · Mar 27, 2014

Hey you're welcome here. I'm not going to even pretend I have all the answers. Those are hard things we come against. I will say about the slavery that of you mean the slavery that happened in America with slaves being brought over from Aftica that that isn't where Christianity was created. Jesus lived over a thousand years before that time. As for people using it to oppress people it is sad to say but people have misused the faith to oppress people. That does not mean that that is why the faith was created and that doesn't mean that's what it was created for. It misses the point I think to oppress people with the faith. As for the Big Bang theory and evolution that's where my answers become not as existent. If you mean evolution as in animals adapting over time that's a little different but for comin up and against people who say they can prove God doesn't exist that's a lot more difficult and I don't have the answers to what to respond to them with. I have been having a lot of troubles with that lately too. The thing is that nature faith is that you're ok with not having all the answers. The universe, the world, it's all so complicated that even as we humans try to spin our theories we can't possibly have all the answers. Even believing in God doesn't mean you have all the answers. That's ok though. God doesn't expect us to have the answers. That's his job. And I agree, the minute I start doubting that God is in control is when I'm the most miserable. So I trust him. I see what he's done in my life certainly and that's enough for me. I don't know if that helps but if you ever want to talk feel free to send me a message. It's hard sometimes. I hope you find support here.

angelnicole · Mar 27, 2014

Animus said:

I have often heard people say that religion started for this reason or that reason, and their explanations seem reasonable, but they have literally no evidence.Theories about anything are going to seem reasonable, because that's exactly how they are made. If I woke up tomorrow and found my lawn wet, I might make a theory that it rained that night. If I looked at my next-door neighbors lawns, and they were all wet as well, I would think my theory was a good theory. I might successfully predict from my theory that the wall of my house will still be wet, and when I look I find that it is. But if I keep walking down the street and see that most of the neighbors lawns are dry, I would have to come up with an alternate explanation. So obviously there is going to be evidence for evolution, it is a theory based on evidence we have, but we very well might not have nearly enough evidence to really know what is happened. We will get a picture that is right in some aspects, and very wrong in others. It might be helpful for making some guesses in science, but it is useless for what atheists are trying to use it for.

People often try to describe the universe in terms of causes. Like a line of dominoes, one thing happens, which leads to another thing, and another, and this process continues indefinitely. A ball sitting on a table does not roll on it's own, it rolls because it was hit by another ball, which was rolling because someone decided to hit it,etc.. But if you trace this process backwards you will find that there had to be a first cause, some singular cause that is the cause of all other causes. Something that exists outside space and time had to create space and time. You have two choices, either you believe that the ball on the table started to roll by itself, or that someone hit the ball. This thing would have to exist outside of space and time, because it created space and time. It is not made of matter because it created matter, and matter cannot exist with space and time.

If you listen to people quarreling you will inevitably hear someone say something like "That's not fair, you made a promise" or "I shared with you, now you should share with me". Everyday people make the assumption that there is some standard which all people at bottom understand, and ought to follow. When people break promises they often say that the promise was not fair, you will rarely hear the say, "I don't care", because deep down, they agree about the standard, they would just like an exception in there case. Some people say that this is evolutionary instinct, a herd mentality. But often this herd mentality comes in direct contradiction with the survival instinct. If you hear a man crying for help, you have two instincts, the herd instinct is telling you to help him, and the survival instinct is telling you to not risk your own life. But there is a third thing that is telling you which instinct you ought to follow, and which you ought to suppress. This third thing is neither of the instincts, it comes from somewhere else, and it often sides with the weaker of the impulses, and causes you to do things like stir up your pity for the man in order to get you to do what you don't want to do, but know that you should. This third thing cannot be accounted for without presupposing the existence of God.

I can see that you even know that there is evidence for evolution.

angelnicole · Mar 27, 2014

From reading some of the comments here, it seems as some you all feel the same as I do. I always believed in god because that is how I raised, but now that I am getting older, I no longer believe. I think religion was made up by man. There is no shread of evidence that god exists. I don't want to go throughout my life believing in something that is not true. I doubt that scientist would lie about evolution being real if it is not.

Disciples4Jesus · Mar 27, 2014

I have had brain injuries and I am weak just like everyone.

We all need help from God because we are nothing without him.

So...I do what he taught me to do and I meditate on scripture (requires literally thinking about the verse continually) and I do notice it helping me as I strive to be joyful always with my great and wonderful Lord Jesus =)

"Go now, eat the fats and drink the sweets...Do not sorrow for this day is holy, for the joy of the Lord is your strength"

Its interesting that this verse also directly talks about food because cashews are a natural anti depressant unlike a synthetic product like prozac. However its not just cashews that I notice work as another helper for my mood, its brazil nuts almonds and walnuts. These nuts have fat in them, you see the world teaches us to not eat fat with products that say "fat free!!!!" with the idea that if you "eat the fats" you will get fat.
And nowadays "sweets" are bad...However I cant do what I do without sugar or my body will deteriorate all of my muscle and fat for energy. The world is so stupid!

Just loving God, Carrying my cross daily (saying God take this from me when the devil tempts me)...This is what will set you free, free indeed because his word never returns void. Do what the word says and you will fall in love with His wonderful ways. Not everyone who believes carries their cross daily and is joyful always but if you do this you will look forward to the morning of waking up to praising his holy name always.

Disciples4Jesus · Mar 27, 2014

He is jealous for you...he loves you like a hurricane you are a tree..bending beneath the wait of his wind and mercy..
when
All of a sudden, i am unaware of these afflictions eclipsed by glory

Sing, sing, sing...sing praises with the heavens we will sing sing sing... =) lol

Animus · Mar 27, 2014

angelnicole said:

I'm not sure you understand what I wrote. That is part of my point, theories are constructed based on evidence, so even an incorrect theory is going to have evidence to support it. But evolution falls apart on the large scale, their is no evidence that it can account for all the variation we see. It has no reasonable explanation for the first life form. It has no explanation for what brought matter into existence in the first place.

Animus · Mar 27, 2014

angelnicole said:

I do not feel the same way as you do at all. There is no evidence to suggest any of the theories about man making up religion for slave purposes are true. There is a ton of evidence that supports the existence of God, I posted some of it before but I suppose you didn't read it. No serious scientist claims that macro-evolution is proven. I can tell from the way you are talking that you have no really done any research into this on your own, but that you have just listened to uneducated people tell you what other uneducated people have told you.

Animus · Mar 27, 2014

There are tons of problems with evolution. Here is a biologist talking about some of them.

[video=youtube;_LTaPIK7maY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LTaPIK7maY[/video]

JesseClemmons95 · Mar 27, 2014

I dont remember which verse but in the bible it says many will mock and and stray from God. think about it Christianity is pretty much the only religion people try to disprove. The media is always attacking christianity but not other religions. And the media is always glorifying Bad things like homosexuality. In the bible is says that homosexuality will be widely accepted in the end of times. think about it.

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