KKK - We're a Christian Organization!

[GodIsSalvation]

well, we are still called Dixie. we have a song called the same. they taught the song in school along side, but first of course, with the battle hymn of the republic.

Heh I actually love me some old American Civil War songs. I'm a big fan of military/nationalistic music from around the world (sadly I gotta say those darn commy countries especially the USSR make a fine tune!)

Both sides of the Civil War I think had great songs. Battle Hymn of the Republic one of my all time favorites lol. Whenever me and my friends played the boardgame RISK I'd crank the Battle Hymn of the Republic whenever my mighty green plastic army had to fight their Final Battle.

 

[Rachel20]

This is just ridiculous !! I wonder what will they do when they get to heaven and there are people of all nations there? I'd love to know what Scriptures they use to justify this one...

1 John 3:15
Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.

 

[jennymae]

Aye you are correct the Civil War wasn't all about slavery. Though it is still fair to say that the institution of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade was a big part of the Civil War. You are also very correct many black people fought on both sides!

While we must keep in mind slavery have a lot to do with the lead-up to the War, my viewpoint is the war was mostly because of Southern Insurrection. At least for how it began. Thing with Civil Wars, whether we're looking at the American Civil War, the English Civil War, or even the Romance of the Three Kingdoms (one of many known Chinese civil wars) all Civil Wars are basically nationalist brother on brother violence which is of course typically the most brutal sort of warfare. So once a war that furious begins, it pretty much doesn't mean crap what started it anyways lol, everything just goes to crap.

Hence why you can see why even though I am very much politically against Obama and the utterly failed Democrat and Republican Parties of today why I will not stand for secession or a civil war in my lifetime, because you might as well kiss this civilization good bye at that point. Though like I said there are a few instances in which I would not side with the government primarily due to religious reasons, but if those reasons are violated, way I see it the God will be destroying the land anyways, no need for me to raise a sword.

(also note: I don't fault your ancestor or nothing for fighting for the South unless he was Jefferson Davis himself or one of the major politicos responsible for the War of Southern Aggression. Way I see it most the common men of both sides just be fighting because they have little choice otherwise. I also have direct ancestry that fought on both sides.)

Seems to me a lot of Southerners today are real touchy about the Civil War because they don't want to be branded as racists lol. Don't worry about that sister, we don't think you're racist. Lol I think the reason most Northerners who give a crap about Civil War History take offense to the dixie flag and the Southern Civil War revisionism is because the Confederacy blatantly betrayed the nation, not cause we think you're racist lol. Rest of the folks are vapid and don't even care to begin with and just want to go vacation on Myrtle Beach or something.

I think the problem of the White Southerner Racist Stereotype ties into the KKK, as the KKK is a big pusher on the whole Confederacy Pride rhetoric and flat out lies trying to excuse the South's role in betraying America. Then for the Northerner and Westerner and even Foreign people that only have a rudimentary knowledge of US Civil War History they then err in assuming all Southerners are racists or that the Civil War was all about slavery. Problem arises that much of the Southerners are taught much of the rhetoric for why the South rebelled and started the War and thus from an outsider's perspective its real easy for some to confuse the two based on similar rhetoric.

Don't worry though, I personally don't think you're racist nor most Southerners. Maybe fiercely loyal of ye homeland even though they started the War, but personally I find that to be somewhat admirable. Gotta fight for your neighborhood after all even if the leaders did bite off more than they can chew.

So, the conquerer is having mercy on the poor lost souls of Dixie. Well, to be honest, I can't imagine why a christian person is ranting like this about a part of his own country. "Blatantly betrayed?" Do you even know how you are hurting people saying that? Your writing is disrepectful at best.

 

[Elizabeth619]

This is just ridiculous !! I wonder what will they do when they get to heaven and there are people of all nations there? I'd love to know what Scriptures they use to justify this one...

I am trying not to judge here, but what makes you think the Klan will even have the opportunity to see Heaven?

 

[Elizabeth619]

So, the conqueror is having mercy on the poor lost souls of Dixie. Well, to be honest, I can't imagine why a christian person is ranting like this about a part of his own country. "Blatantly betrayed?" Do you even know how you are hurting people saying that? Your writing is disrespectful at best.

I just wish that people would stop labeling the south over a war that NO ONE ALIVE TODAY ever fought. What one's ancestors did should not reflect those generations later. If I had an ancestor who was a serial killer, should I be punished for what they did 100 ears ago? Of course not, but when it comes to the civil war people can't just let things stay in the past. It is constantly thrown in the faces of southerners these days as if we traded slaves ourselves. People like to throw slavery and the civil war and racism into the equation when talking about the south. There's racism everywhere. It wasn't just restricted to the south, and while people are constantly talking about black slaves they are forgetting the white and japanese slaves. No one ever talks about them. Slaves weren't just black. Yet it is apparently shameful to be a proud southerner because the south "betrayed"(which is a matter of opinion). Well, Obama blatantly betrayed America. Should we stop being proud Americans?

What is interesting is there are Klan groups in Arizona, Colorado, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, and many other non-southern places. This isn't just a southern thing, but the ignorant prefer to keep it that way.
The South today isn't like it was during the civil war era. Maybe one day people will realize this.


I will shut up about the civil war AGAIN, with this interesting link about Lincoln.

5 Things You May Not Know About Lincoln, Slavery and Emancipation — History in the Headlines

 

[GodIsSalvation]

So, the conquerer is having mercy on the poor lost souls of Dixie. Well, to be honest, I can't imagine why a christian person is ranting like this about a part of his own country. "Blatantly betrayed?" Do you even know how you are hurting people saying that? Your writing is disrepectful at best.

Go back in this topic and see who brought up the Civil War first and who be telling lies about the North. That's why I jumped in here. I ain't gonna sit back and watch ya'll rewrite history to try to abrogate the South's betrayl, because that's what it was, a betrayl.

I'm sorry you're hurt by what the leaders of the South chose to do over 100 years ago. It was blatant betrayl though. The Secessionists betrayed the country, started the most bloody war in American history, and then lost the war. Part of losing the war means the blame is on them. What you think is the aftermath when we "conquered" Kaiser's Germany, the Nazis, and the Japanese Empire? You start the war, you lose that war, you take the reprocussions, that's all there is to it.

And yea America is pretty merciful to those it defeats in war. In case you didn't know America spent tons of resources in Reconstruction Era, didn't even hang the traitors in the high political circles of the Secessionists, even allowed many of them like Davis to walk around freely, and even reinstated the full states rights of the South. That's pretty darn merciful for a victor in their most bloody war if you know anything about the history of warfare, especially when it was the South that was the aggressor.

Do Southerners think flying the rebel flag, threatening that "The South will rise again," threatening to secede from the Union, and talking smack about Lincoln and telling lies about all those in the North saying it is OUR fault that the war started despite all clear proof that the South clearly betrayed the country and began the War is respectful?

Dixie died before either of us were born, and today there is only America. I think Southerners need to get that through their mind before they go on about how bad the North and Lincoln is, cause the North didn't start the Civil War, but they did finish it, and they had no choice but to fight when the Rebels be invading our land, shooting our people first, and dividing our land. South don't have any excuses so stop blaming USA for the war the Rebels started.

 

[Fishbait]

The KKK is recruiting people in various communities in the US. Said Frank Ancona,

""We want to stay white,” Ancona said. “It's not a hateful thing to want to maintain white supremacy."

KKK Leader Disputes Hate Group Label: 'We're A Christian Organization'

Not hateful to want to maintain white supremacy? I wonder which Bible they are reading? Not any translations I know of, nor the Jesus that I follow!

“You can sleep tonight knowing the Klan is awake!” the fliers said, according to the Chicago Tribune." REALLY??!!

Amoung others the KKK hates Jew's. While they claim to be Christian why do they hate the founder of their religion, Jesus Christ, who is a Jew?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

So, the conquerer is having mercy on the poor lost souls of Dixie. Well, to be honest, I can't imagine why a christian person is ranting like this about a part of his own country. "Blatantly betrayed?" Do you even know how you are hurting people saying that? Your writing is disrepectful at best.

Also you shouldn't be hurt by the fact the Old South blatantly betrayed America. That's not a personal attack on you, that's just history.

Consider this, as Angela correctly point out technically America as a whole blatantly betrayed and seceded from the British Crown. Lol, though the USA did win that war and forced the Brits to sign a piece of paper in Paris that says we're not traitors but rather Revolutionaries. Though it is still fair to call us Secessionists from a British point of view.

Lol and I am also kinda surprised she didn't bring up the fact that America actually aggressively invaded Canada and believe it or not, Canadians whooped the crap out of America and burnt down our Capital. But I guess in fairness that war ended basically in stalemate. So we're not traitors to Canada in that regard, though we are aggressive invaders and as a consequence of failing to conquer Canada have to respect Canada's boundaries.

Ain't hurt me personally that the Canadians whooped us and America are savage invaders of Canada, lol, that's just history.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I'm sorry you're hurt by what the leaders of the South chose to do over 100 years ago.

Totally uncalled for. She isn't hurt by what happened over 100 years ago. She said YOUR OFFENSIVE WORDS ARE HURTFUL. Yes, you are biased. You have constantly degraded an area you seriously know nothing about. Even northerners in this thread showed you that you were wrong.

And yea America is pretty merciful to those it defeats in war. In case you didn't know America spent tons of resources in Reconstruction Era, didn't even hang the traitors in the high political circles of the Secessionists, even allowed many of them like Davis to walk around freely, and even reinstated the full states rights of the South. That's pretty darn merciful for a victor in their most bloody war if you know anything about the history of warfare, especially when it was the South that was the aggressor.

In other words you're bitter the south is part of the US.

Do Southerners think flying the rebel flag, threatening that "The South will rise again," threatening to secede from the Union, and talking smack about Lincoln and telling lies about all those in the North saying it is OUR fault that the war started despite all clear proof that the South clearly betrayed the country and began the War is respectful?

You have no right to talk about who is or isn't respectful. You're a rather belligerent person. Not in just this thread, but many others.

Dixie died before either of us were born, and today there is only America. I think Southerners need to get that through their mind before they go on about how bad the North and Lincoln is, cause the North didn't start the Civil War, but they did finish it, and they had no choice but to fight when the Rebels be invading our land, shooting our people first, and dividing our land. South don't have any excuses so stop blaming USA for the war the Rebels started.

This is what you people don't understand. WE ARE OVER IT! We actually don't sit here in plantation homes crying over who lost the war, and wondering who is gonna work our fields. Yes, there were some jerks in the south, but you are also talking about minority groups that say "the south will rise again". People I know don't say that. If you actually knew anything about the south you would know this stuff. You can believe whatever you want. None of us really care, but at least properly educate yourself first.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Totally uncalled for. She isn't hurt by what happened over 100 years ago. She said YOUR OFFENSIVE WORDS ARE HURTFUL. Yes, you are biased. You have constantly degraded an area you seriously know nothing about. Even northerners in this thread showed you that you were wrong.


In other words you're bitter the south is part of the US.


You have no right to talk about who is or isn't respectful. You're a rather belligerent person. Not in just this thread, but many others.


This is what you people don't understand. WE ARE OVER IT! We actually don't sit here in plantation homes crying over who lost the war, and wondering who is gonna work our fields. Yes, there were some jerks in the south, but you are also talking about minority groups that say "the south will rise again". People I know don't say that. If you actually knew anything about the south you would know this stuff. You can believe whatever you want. None of us really care, but at least properly educate yourself first.

1. Who brought up the Civil War who started degrading the North first? Sorry you feel offended that 100 years ago the South betrayed America. How is seceding from the Union due to an election, seizing Federal property, invading Fort Sumter, and firing the first shots of the most bloody war in all US history not betrayl? These are all known and established facts. It's history. How is it offensive to state the truth? You say I've been proven wrong. History proves otherwise. If you are offended, maybe you shouldn't support the Lost Cause and just accept what the South did was totally abhorrent and wrong.

2. Nay I am not bitter the South is part of the US. I have stated many times where I thought the South had valiant heroes despite their traitorous politcians that killed Dixie themselves. You sound to me to be bitter the South lost in their aggressive war against America. Again I ask, who started this Civil War discussion and who started ragging on the North and Lincoln? Little Hint, go back to pages 1 and 2.

3. I have every right, you have resorted to personal attacks against me personally. I merely stated historically established facts and a traitorous rebel regime that tried to destroy our country. It's your country too! How do you people support the Insurrectionists?!

4. If you're over it why you start whole thing by ragging on Lincoln and America and coming up with base lies? I never said you live on a plantation, you're the one that keeps bringing racism into this. I even went out of my way to say that Southerners are not racist despite the indiscretions of the Confederacies political leaders (and I didn't even bring out the whole slew of racist drivel Jefferson Davis is famous for.) You're the one hung up on slavery, I merely recognized slavery was a major issue with the Civil War, but that the meat and substance of the cause of the Civil War is clearly Southern Betrayl. Which it clearly is as Lincoln didn't even intend to force the South to end slavery, which you yourself have stated. Clearly the Civil War did not begin until the South seceded over losing an election to Lincoln, seized Federal Institutions by aggressive force, and fired the first shots of the war on American Federally owned land at Fort Sumter.

Again you resort to personal attacks against me personally because I can clearly demonstrate that the Confederacy was a traitorous regime that rightly got relegated the scrap heap of history.


And have I attacked you personally once? Have I complimented you personally at all in this thread? I'm sorry you feel I am belligernt for telling you the truth. I'm sorry I'm biased towards the truth. I'm sorry you're so mad that Old Dixie got killed for attacking America, but Dixie shouldn't have started the Civil War and there is nothing I can do about that.

But you are the one either putting words in my mouth that I never said because you got something against me personally for stating truth or you have grossly misinterpretted everything I wrote because you don't like the facts that ere long ago the land you live in today was ruled by traitors. I'm sorry, but that's how it is, I don't have a time machine, I cannot change the past.

 

[dcontroversal]

I am from Missouri, and Harry Truman used the klan for an election ploy to get votes. Yes he paid the fee and became a member to get their votes, but he was never an active member and after he was elected he asked for the dues back and never sided with any of their policies. He was an advocate for catholic and Christian movements, and he was a big advocate for segregation. He was the one who made the bill putting African americans in the military.

Like most if not all politicians.....buy the votes and sell out to unscrupulous groups just to get elected to an office.....they all make me puke!

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Like most if not all politicians.....buy the votes and sell out to unscrupulous groups just to get elected to an office.....they all make me puke!

Aye, really don't matter the country I suppose this is a curious pattern throughout history.

Heh, simple comment make me think. It really is the darn politicians be screwing up a lot for otherwise good common people and lands pitting them against eachother. Good comment for perspective really.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Well, that's just a noble thing isn't it?

Noble has nothing to do about that. All politicians use ploys and gimmicks to get elected. Some times it works for them some times it doesn't. No politician is perfect by far. They all are not perfect just like all of us are not perfect, and some ( or a lot ) of them let power get the best of them.

 

[jahsoul]

Amoung others the KKK hates Jew's. While they claim to be Christian why do they hate the founder of their religion, Jesus Christ, who is a Jew?

*thinks; starts to type; thinks again; removes text; lets it go*

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Noble has nothing to do about that. All politicians use ploys and gimmicks to get elected. Some times it works for them some times it doesn't. No politician is perfect by far. They all are not perfect just like all of us are not perfect, and some ( or a lot ) of them let power get the best of them.

You're correct, though I am gonna go with Liz on this one. Bad enough to seek alliance with KKK, but even betraying that alliance? Sigh. Plus the whole Hiroshima and Nagasaki thing ya know. But then again I guess Japan should not have attacked America first. But then again the first use of nuclear weapons on people has pretty much stained our country's reputation world wide forever. Then again they'll probably never try to attack us again.

And yet again I do see a little saving grace with Truman since he stalwartly saved our ally South Korea from being conquered by North Korea, which was frighteningly close to happening. But then again he did fire MacArthur and Mao was able to smash our army and drive us back in one of the most shameful retreats in American military history. And Yet again we were able to fight the Chinese army to a stalemate, which is a pretty big feat as Mao is arguably the greatest military leader of the 20th Century.

Truman is a very interesting study no doubt. Very complex indeed!

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes he is, and I don't agree with everything he did, nor do I agree with everything any politician does. Do I totally write them off and call for impeachment...no. If I was to do that then they all should have gotten impeached at one time or another. We have to take the good with the bad.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Yes he is, and I don't agree with everything he did, nor do I agree with everything any politician does. Do I totally write them off and call for impeachment...no. If I was to do that then they all should have gotten impeached at one time or another. We have to take the good with the bad.

Aye a fair point!

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it." -Dale Carnegie

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." -Joseph Joubert


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[GodIsSalvation]

"The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it." -Dale Carnegie

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." -Joseph Joubert


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Hmm these are good quotes that got me pondering major props to you (give ya gold star brother Age). Perhaps I have a half reasonings here.. Not all. Let's hold up now and pretend we do not live in America at all for a moment or give a damn about either side. In this case I do see some merits for some of Elizabeths critiques of the Northern politicians, but heh not putting you down on personal attack, but the Southern champion Elizabeth only have half the reasons too. Not personal mind you, merely ye be the most admirable maiden defender of Dixie in this debate Plus remember you still got half. Me too. Lol our correct halves when everything is boiled down are where both sides hierarchies basically be going bonkers destroying themselves and their own land for some reason.

Makes me start to think if we combine what halfs stick true no personal attacks no propaganda, but straight facts, southern betrayl, northern retribution, and of course just a bunch of crazy individuals both good and bad on both sides, and then the hurricane of violence that then ensued, could the most logical answer simply be that the ancient Americans were tricked by an outside force into killing eachother?

EDIT: in fact could same be said today in maybe some more modern adapted situations perhaps on a more geo-political scale?

 

[Elizabeth619]

1. Who brought up the Civil War who started degrading the North first? Sorry you feel offended that 100 years ago the South betrayed America. How is seceding from the Union due to an election, seizing Federal property, invading Fort Sumter, and firing the first shots of the most bloody war in all US history not betrayl? These are all known and established facts. It's history. How is it offensive to state the truth? You say I've been proven wrong. History proves otherwise. If you are offended, maybe you shouldn't support the Lost Cause and just accept what the South did was totally abhorrent and wrong.

2. Nay I am not bitter the South is part of the US. I have stated many times where I thought the South had valiant heroes despite their traitorous politcians that killed Dixie themselves. You sound to me to be bitter the South lost in their aggressive war against America. Again I ask, who started this Civil War discussion and who started ragging on the North and Lincoln? Little Hint, go back to pages 1 and 2.

3. I have every right, you have resorted to personal attacks against me personally. I merely stated historically established facts and a traitorous rebel regime that tried to destroy our country. It's your country too! How do you people support the Insurrectionists?!

4. If you're over it why you start whole thing by ragging on Lincoln and America and coming up with base lies? I never said you live on a plantation, you're the one that keeps bringing racism into this. I even went out of my way to say that Southerners are not racist despite the indiscretions of the Confederacies political leaders (and I didn't even bring out the whole slew of racist drivel Jefferson Davis is famous for.) You're the one hung up on slavery, I merely recognized slavery was a major issue with the Civil War, but that the meat and substance of the cause of the Civil War is clearly Southern Betrayl. Which it clearly is as Lincoln didn't even intend to force the South to end slavery, which you yourself have stated. Clearly the Civil War did not begin until the South seceded over losing an election to Lincoln, seized Federal Institutions by aggressive force, and fired the first shots of the war on American Federally owned land at Fort Sumter.

Again you resort to personal attacks against me personally because I can clearly demonstrate that the Confederacy was a traitorous regime that rightly got relegated the scrap heap of history.


And have I attacked you personally once? Have I complimented you personally at all in this thread? I'm sorry you feel I am belligernt for telling you the truth. I'm sorry I'm biased towards the truth. I'm sorry you're so mad that Old Dixie got killed for attacking America, but Dixie shouldn't have started the Civil War and there is nothing I can do about that.

But you are the one either putting words in my mouth that I never said because you got something against me personally for stating truth or you have grossly misinterpretted everything I wrote because you don't like the facts that ere long ago the land you live in today was ruled by traitors. I'm sorry, but that's how it is, I don't have a time machine, I cannot change the past.

You may need to look back and see who said what. The first time I mentioned the civil war was in discussing the history of the KKK. Nothing was said about the north. Nor was the second time I mention the war. I also wasn't the first person to mention Lincoln, but when I did mention him I did state how I was shocked he wasn't the hero I thought he was never posted quotes about him supporting white supremacy and later in posted other links about him. You're free to believe it or not. I couldn't care less. And you were the first to say the south we're traitors. What happened next was more you giving your opinion than facts. You even stated "in my opinion".
Anyway, I'm done with this argument. It's rather pointless since you can't even remember the bashing you instigated yourself. I'm done.

and I have mentioned racism like most in this thread. Being as the topic is about the KKK racism will likely be discussed