We do have to establish first from the Scriptures Who the Lord Jesus is. He is gloriously God.
And our works do not gain merit with God, either (Ephesians 2.8-9).
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We do have to establish first from the Scriptures Who the Lord Jesus is. He is gloriously God.
And our works do not gain merit with God, either (Ephesians 2.8-9).
In reading your post, you have asked if God talked to Himself, as though it were something not to conisider at all. As far as Jesus, and His Holy mission here, while He was in the flesh, He was as human as you or I, but at the same time He knew not only Who He was but everything the Father knows. When He was raised from the dead, the Firstborn, His Body was transformed during the 40 days He remained in this age, only to be completely glorified when He ascended in the sight of the disciples. He did not mind being human for atime in order to save as many as are to be saved. Just as He was being glorified during those 40 days, while His Body members remain in this age, you and I, and all, we are being perfected only to be in glorified bodies come the resurrection.
As for your own commentary, well, God did not lie when He gave Isaias the words to teach us.
And being in our condition, a human in the flesh, He worshipped the Father as our Example, just as He was obedient to the end. If one does not understand the mystery of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, he should not criticize those who know about this in part accurately..........there is much to be revealed in God, Yahweh's, time.
As for your own commentary, well, God did not lie when He gave Isaias the words to teach us.
And being in our condition, a human in the flesh, He worshipped the Father as our Example, just as He was obedient to the end. If one does not understand the mystery of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, he should not criticize those who know about this in part accurately..........there is much to be revealed in God, Yahweh's, time.
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Jesus is talking to the Father on the cross. Nothing wrong with that.
I guess you don't worship Jesus since for you He is not God and we are to worship God alone.
Works and faith. You separate the two like the two can be separated. Tell me, did Jesus sit in his pew, resting pretty in the knowledge that his knack for doctrinal specification will find him favour with God? Or did he go out into the world and change people's lives?
NOTHING acquits a person save the God who decides to rescue people from themselves.
Not works, not faith, not anything. God's gift acquits people, and a gift is free. But it's ones like you who scoff it, only ever after the gift-wrap, blue ribbon and new car, and never after the point behind it all.
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Sophia1993
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well then obviously i am not understanding something and i have a good reason to be confused because one says yes the other says no.
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
My Father is greater than I.
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus Christ: who is ... on the the right hand of God.
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God.
My Father is greater than I.
I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus Christ: who is ... on the the right hand of God.
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Sophia1993
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You already know what the answer is, because you see plainly enough. You don't need to wrap it in riddles and conundrums for your own merit. It is what it is.
If you and I think the same, we are one. It's that simple. Jesus and God were after the same purpose.
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Saint_Cecilia
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Yes, Jesus is God . . .
. . . God Bless [SUP]
14 [/SUP]These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly: [SUP]15 [/SUP]But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. [SUP]16 [/SUP]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
- I Timothy 3:14-16
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Because Jesus is FULLY God and FULLY man.
You are looking at Scriptures that display His humanity and ask 'see, how can he be God//?'
If I lived a pure, holy life, in line with God's will, I would also be God manifest in a human. That's what the point is. To be 'inspired' by the 'spirit', which 'inspires' people to become one with the God, whose spirit we are supposed to be 'inspired' by.
If I think on God's terms, act on God's terms, and speak on God's terms, then I am a manifestation of God. I go out into the world and show God. Godliness would resonate out of me, and it would be seen.
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How about some scripture backing up your human reasoning? You are speaking from man's philosophy not God's revelation.
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Does an unspiritual man know the mind of the spirit to be able to judge the spiritual man? Corinthians
'Take the spirit upon you' - Timothy
'You will know them by their fruits'
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Plenty of people saw in part, where Jesus saw fully. That's what sets him apart. Plenty of people carried the spirit in part, where Jesus carried it fully.
If compassionate man is compassionate, do people see compassion? If a holy man is holy, do people see holiness?
What do you see from someone who is loving? Unless you are blind, the answer should be 'love'.
The same way, if a man is godly, he will be showing Godliness.
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It is apparent you have never read any of the Word. Otherwise you would not make such perverse declarations about faith and belief.
Please, read the Word, then talk about it, but when someone who knows the Word explains to you from the word, it is not good to attempt countering reason and faith with philosophies of the flesh. We are taught, by the Word you have not yet read, to not trust flesh, not even ourslelves, but God alone. I relate to you in this capacity to the best of the ability given me.
May God bless you with reason and understanding from Him...amen.
Please, read the Word, then talk about it, but when someone who knows the Word explains to you from the word, it is not good to attempt countering reason and faith with philosophies of the flesh. We are taught, by the Word you have not yet read, to not trust flesh, not even ourslelves, but God alone. I relate to you in this capacity to the best of the ability given me.
May God bless you with reason and understanding from Him...amen.
no an unscriptural man doesn't know the mind of the spirit because God's Spirit doesn't contradict Scripture i.e. His Word.
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Saint_Cecilia
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God (Jesus) was manifest in the flesh . . .
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. [SUP]20 [/SUP]But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of theLord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
- Matthew 1:19-21
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JuameJ, if my father says to me, 'Son, my will for you is that you are compassionate, forgiving, understanding, loving, freed of desire and thus at peace of mind, faithful in all these things and out for others before yourself', and he also says to me 'I am a loving father, I wish the best for you, I have seen all times, all places, all things, all outcomes, all perspectives, all decisions, all wills, all ways and all types, and the one I have asked of you is by far the best route for you to take in life' and he also says 'I am love - patient, kind, not one to keep record of wrongs, a forgiver, longsuffering, not easily angered, not a lover of perversions of my will - torture, malice, ill-will, spite, nastiness - nor am I grevious, nor do I take pleasure in suffering', and I then cultivate compassion, empathy, love, a relinquishing of selfish desire, peace of mind, self-sacrifice, and I adhere and am faithful to these, am well wishing, understanding, try to contemplate many perspectives, desires, wills and wants, needs and thought patterns, look at myself introspectively, honour my God in all these things, love as I am loved and give as I have been given, am humble as I realize on another day I may be another way, then tell me, would I be a child my father could be proud of? Would I be a decent representation of my father and what he would rather me be?
Or do I simply need to read one collection of script, created billions of years after God created the Earth - God, who, has existed long, long before this single collection was ever written, chosen, refined, edited and published - and say 'this linguistic translation is the one God wants. Good job, that's all I need'?
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No way does this show that the Lord Jesus is less than God. Remember, the Lord Jesus' self-humbling was voluntary.
Crossnote, what is christianity? Is christianity the will of God? Is God confined in that word? Does God want me to be christian, or does God want me to be holy? Does God ask me to stick a sticker on my head and write my label on it, or does God ask me to be a decent child of his?
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Many a time I've heard the line, from people who take your stance, 'what you say God says isn't necissarily what god says', which is basically paraphrasing what you just said to me.
So, I will take that line and say to you 'what you say God says isn't necessarily what God says'.
And by your own reasoning, I am correct, no more or less than you are.
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