Talking against the law is dangerous

[p_rehbein]

Anyway, God bless you all.............and I am sincerely saying that "YOU ALL."

I harbor no anger or ill feelings towards any here that may disagree with me...........God bless

(time for me to sign off)

 

[just-me]

Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
What, do you think I am guessing and making this up? Read it without green

I see that you desire not to read the word of God in context. What isn't in green I also agree with.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

But, I still don't understand why they would not.........I already have.........and am willing to do so again.........

The Two Great commandments Jesus gave us

The Ten Commandments

The Law of Faith (for those who don't understand this..........Communion, Baptism, Footwashing, and other Commandments Jesus gave to the Church during His Ministry.......the Great Commission......and more) They are found within the Four Gospels.

there is so many things God tells us to do it is amazing.

If we just took a glimpse at all he commands us, We could do nothing but fall on our faces. Pound our breasts, and beg God for forgiveness and mercy. because we would see just how totally sinful we TRULY are.

The LAWyers will never get this, because they are to focused on their false perception of what the law is, and thus can not see their true sin, nor how sinfull they really are.

 

[jag1977]

I see that you desire not to read the word of God in context. What isn't in green I also agree with.

Maybe if you spent more time reading instead of teaching you would know a simple rule. ""I see that you desire not to read the word of God in context"" I am not YOU.

 

[just-me]

Maybe if you spent more time reading instead of teaching you would know a simple rule. ""I see that you desire not to read the word of God in context"" I am not YOU.

Good thing.

Are we righteous by the works of the law? No

Are we suppose to abide by the law in the flesh? No

Are we supposed to negate the law because of Grace? No

Are we supposed to to live without all of God's word? No

Is the law still valid? Yes And you might say no to this question. That's where the difference is if so.

Hebrews 9:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Is the old tabernacle still standing? No

In your opinion what replaced it, and do the same principles in Spirit still apply?

 

[crossnote]

Where's Tintin when you need him to complain about thee 30,000th thread on the Law?

 

[damombomb]

Talking about Jesus to an unbeliever is good, telling them he came to give them life and life more abundantly and they don't
have to carry condemnation and guilt is a good thing. Praise God

 

[phil112]

Talking against the law is dangerous

Sure it is. If you are an outlaw. But if you are an honest citizen you have freedom the law cannot touch. If you live honestly there will be no cop knocking at your door. But if you're a christian, the judaizers will always be knocking at the door. Just remind them they're out of their jurisdiction.

 

[ivanc0]

I get the feeling that somehow the law of God is a threat to some people, and a beauty to others. What's there to be scared of, if it is no longer condemning? There's no way that it's going to vanish even if we say that it has.

If we try to get rid of it, it still stands right where it originally has been established. There is only one way to get around it, or above it, and that is through Jesus Christ. It ain't gonna move or go away because we want it to. That's like saying that God established something that He knew wouldn't be beneficial but only to those that didn't believe, and absolutely no good for His own, after we have received His gift of faith.

It's like saying to a child, "I have something better for you because what I gave you first is now very bad, and I really messed up." What are we representing when we endorse those attributes about our Father in heaven?

It Actually depends what the "Law" means for you:
"The law of moses" ?
"The will of your church or Pastor"? That have created a philosophy for you, some times to get your tithes u other benefit
"The will of God" ?

In the Old and new testament it mostly means "The law of Moses" and is written "The Law" as a shortcut.
But currently is used in this three ways all together so the poor follower gets more confused than child starting kindergarten.

"Actually the will of God" is what the follower expects is being taught but the reality is it only depends in the size of the jaws of the Pastor he has fell into.

I think I should finally put this scripture:
[h=3]Acts 15:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

I beg you to read all chapter 15, and 21.

 

[just-me]

Sure it is. If you are an outlaw. But if you are an honest citizen you have freedom the law cannot touch. If you live honestly there will be no cop knocking at your door. But if you're a christian, the judaizers will always be knocking at the door. Just remind them they're out of their jurisdiction.

So do you believe we are able and righteous by talking against, or downgrading this certain aspect, called the law, in the word of God?

 

[posthuman]

One guy said; "get this ceiling of condemnation off of me!"

Then Jesus walked into the room and said; "Come upstairs with me, for I constructed the 2nd floor."

"get this ceiling of condemnation of me"

Jesus said. I have destroyed the ceiling, It can no longer harm you"

maybe not so much "ceiling" as 6ft of dirt...

 

[jag1977]

Good thing.

Are we righteous by the works of the law? No

Are we suppose to abide by the law in the flesh? No

Are we supposed to negate the law because of Grace? No

Are we supposed to to live without all of God's word? No

Is the law still valid? Yes And you might say no to this question. That's where the difference is if so.

Hebrews 9:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Is the old tabernacle still standing? No

In your opinion what replaced it, and do the same principles in Spirit still apply?

Yes the law stands. I never said it did not stand. I said the law stands as it always stood. Matter of fact I copied and pasted it word for word. The law in Exodus 20 is given and always has stood for those caught up with THOU. I am not Thou. I am not Thee. I am He who answers not to Thy teachings or Your Youthful understandings.

 

[just-me]

It Actually depends what the "Law" means for you:
"The law of moses" ?
"The will of your church or Pastor"? That have created a philosophy for you, some times to get your tithes u other benefit
"The will of God" ?

In the Old and new testament it mostly means "The law of Moses" and is written "The Law" as a shortcut.
But currently is used in this three ways all together so the poor follower gets more confused than child starting kindergarten.

"Actually the will of God" is what the follower expects is being taught but the reality is it only depends in the size of the jaws of the Pastor he has fell into.

I think I should finally put this scripture:
Acts 15:10

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

I beg you to read all chapter 15, and 21.

I've done that and will do it again before I die. My whole purpose for this thread is to endorse that ALL of God's word is still valid, and for all of Hid children to see that. Even Jesus said so. So I ask a rhetorical question to myself. "Am I just by saying that all God's word as truth?" Yes. Am I justified saying to myself by the works of the law I am justified? No.

Now just because I do that, why are some saying that I am endorsing something that I am not? I say it is predetermined in their own minds because the law is a threat to those that speak against it. In reality they already know that they are walking on dangerous ground when that predetermined mind is set against any part of the word of God. It's not my words that I esteem as good, it's His. That's all. No more, no less.

 

[chubbena]

??? IF people are going to insist that the Church today OBEY ALL THE LAW................is it not beneficial IF THEY HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE LAW?

It's right in front of you.
In other words, it is in your mouth and in your heart,”that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.

It's just a matter of understanding what "Jesus is Lord" is about. The way I understand is, He's the word of God, spoke through Moses and the prophets, written down by men which we come to know as the scripture.

...........goodness...........

Christian Cursing

 

[just-us-2]

Is anyone here interested in honestly learning or is everyone too arogant (arogant = prideful, not humble) and interested in only promoting their own "brilliance"?

 

[phil112]

So do you believe we are able and righteous by talking against, or downgrading this certain aspect, called the law, in the word of God?

Look, you're mind is made up. You are going to twist anything anybody says that doesn't agree with you. You reject clear scripture, just like the other judaizers that are denizens here. Why don't you leave it alone? Maybe you folks should start your own little club, that way you can pat each other on the back and congratulate yourselves about how you are so much more righteous then us poor gentiles.
The bible is clear and you reject it. You will never convince me accept a lie for the truth and clearly, you having your "conscience seared with a hot iron", will not circumsize your ears to the truth.

 

[ivanc0]

It Actually depends what the "Law" means for you:
"The law of moses" ?
"The will of your church or Pastor"? That have created a philosophy for you, some times to get your tithes u other benefit
"The will of God" ?

In the Old and new testament it mostly means "The law of Moses" and is written "The Law" as a shortcut.
But currently is used in this three ways all together so the poor follower gets more confused than child starting kindergarten.

"Actually the will of God" is what the follower expects is being taught but the reality is it only depends in the size of the jaws of the Pastor he has fell into.

I think I should finally put this scripture:
Acts 15:10

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

I beg you to read all chapter 15, and 21.

 

[posthuman]

there's a story told i've heard about an American Indian in the old days who was taken from the west to visit the industrialized, 'cultured' cities of the white men in the east.
at a railroad station on the journey, he noticed signs saying "do not spit on the floor"
and later, being entertained at the house of some gentleman, he noticed there was no such sign, and remarked on the irony of it.

here is the difference between being under the law and under grace:
no one ought to have to be commanded not to disrespect the house where they are made a guest, and a gracious host will overlook the faults of a friend, though a policeman will run in a stranger for the slightest offence.

 

[just-me]

Yes the law stands. I never said it did not stand. I said the law stands as it always stood. Matter of fact I copied and pasted it word for word. The law in Exodus 20 is given and always has stood for those caught up with THOU. I am not Thou. I am not Thee. I am He who answers not to Thy teachings or Your Youthful understandings.

I'm happy that you said that. I do not attempt to endorse myself. I endorse the whole word of God. Speaking against, even unintentionally, is dangerous. Speaking against it in any way, shape, or form, is taking the Lord's name in vain. I stand on that.

 

[just-me]

Look, you're mind is made up. You are going to twist anything anybody says that doesn't agree with you. You reject clear scripture, just like the other judaizers that are denizens here. Why don't you leave it alone? Maybe you folks should start your own little club, that way you can pat each other on the back and congratulate yourselves about how you are so much more righteous then us poor gentiles.
The bible is clear and you reject it. You will never convince me accept a lie for the truth and clearly, you having your "conscience seared with a hot iron", will not circumsize your ears to the truth.

Saying that all of God's word is relevant for today is twisting the truth? Hello? whatever you think I'm twisting is from your own mind. Quote from any of what I have posted that is twisted. Word for word.