Talking against the law is dangerous

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

How does do not commit adultry, murder covet etc help me serve people? Are you serious??

How about loving them, and SERVING them in a way God has blessed you. so you bless them? IS this not more important than the do not do's?? WHich can do NOTHING to help me serve them??

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lol. You know whats said, You appear to be many trying to enter the wide gate, By trying to add your own works to grace. You ever wonder why it is so few people actually believe in faith alone?

Paul was talking about working out the salvation YOU ALREADY HAD, IT WAS YOUR POSSESSION. He spoke About SERVING PEOPLE (Lights in a dark world) You do not think I am scared to death I will do something that will put out my light? That will prevent me from sharing the word and not be judged a hypocrite? Or be seen as a person who hides his sin and acts different around the people of God, and around the world? Paul was scared of it. I am also. Are not you? You think the law will help you be this person? I tried you way, I was the hypocrite. The judgmental fool, the person who had no light, because I was so focused on the do's and don;ts and not the true message of God. That is the God of love.

It does mean life. It also means interpreting correctly what things means, Including why the law was given, What its purpose was for. And how it affects us today as far as eternal life goes.

But hey, If this does nto interest you. What more can be said? Why are you and just-me here? This is a bible discussion forum, If you do not want to discuss the word. But only want to ignore people who do not agree with you. WHY BE HERE AT ALL??

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

Karraster said:

Prove to me that those commandments are the levitical law of moses.

And not the commands God has handed down from adam to moses, How could they be saved and be called the ones who loved God if they were never given the tablets written in stone?

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Yes they where still of a pagan mind set which is still pretty much evident today for NEW believers , when something convicts someone instead of turning to the lord they run from the lord and use the argument the law does not matter

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

Are you running now?

You did not answer any of my questions. why is this?

You say you have noticed thinsg about people and how they act and what they say.

If i may do this myself. I notice when people do not answer questions it is for a few reasons.

1. They can't
2. They know if they answer them correctly they will admit the other person is right.
3. They know if they answer incorrectly they will be found to be in error of what even they know to be true.

Not saying this is what you are doing, But it does make me question things

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

hmm maybe i don't want to be your rug maybe if you have a conviction problem then maybe if you ask the lord with a sincere heart maybe he can help,

peacefulbeliever · Mar 30, 2014

just-me said:

I just don't understand you. There is a change from the physical to the spiritual because the letter killed, that ministration was death - NO ONE has said anything about changing God's words - the rules changed that's all . . . they didn't disappear, they are still there but we are not under bondage to do them. THEY DID NOT WORK THE FIRST TIME . . . JESUS TOOK AND NAILED THEM TO THE CROSS WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGAINST US.

The thing is any one responding to this thread is more than likely a born again believer so they would be walking after the Spirit and they are not in the flesh. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Now look at this:

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. . .

not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, . . . .

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

It seems as though the law only brought death and a remembrance of sin bringing with it condemnation and guilt.

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

what makes you think I have a conviction problem?

Again, Why can't you answer those questions? They were not hard questions, they should be easy. Maybe you have a conviction problem yourself?

As for you not being my rug// Where do you get this?

You asked what I believe, I am trying to show you. It is obvious yuo still do not know.. I am also trying to find out what you believe. Which is why I asked the question. How can I know if you do not answer?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

peacefulbeliever said:

I just don't understand you. There is a change from the physical to the spiritual because the letter killed, that ministration was death - NO ONE has said anything about changing God's words - the rules changed that's all . . . they didn't disappear, they are still there but we are not under bondage to do them. THEY DID NOT WORK THE FIRST TIME . . . JESUS TOOK AND NAILED THEM TO THE CROSS WITH HIM BECAUSE THEY WERE AGAINST US.

The thing is any one responding to this thread is more than likely a born again believer so they would be walking after the Spirit and they are not in the flesh. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Now look at this:

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. . .

not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, . . . .

But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

It seems as though the law only brought death and a remembrance of sin bringing with it condemnation and guilt.

The problem they must resolve is the aspect of the letters or words engraved in stones.

There was only one aspect of the law ever written in Stone. The ten commandments.

In fact, these stones were carried in the ark of the covenant, Along with arrons rod that budded. So when anyone spoke of the law engraven in stones, Any jew would immediately understand the law spoken of WAS the ten commandments.

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Ok this i know yes i have had many of times where i would feel conviction like since my wife become a christian many times i have felt conviction and if it was not for God keeping me strong even though i was badly alluded i would probably have left my wife by now.

Like ok i know how it feels to suffer being told my beliefs are wrong and for some it is a very hard concept to except .,? like mr joe blogs becomes a christian and he confesses he has done wrong all his life and then as he goes through a change he starts to convict the very people who have helped him and also he convicts those who have sinned even though he was a sinner to.

This i know and this i have seen and been but my old has gone and my new is here so all that is old i do not want to remember.
I dont know my old self no more but from time to time i still blame people for my hurt that i have suffered but that side of me also is buried now. I was once a sleeper and now i am a new creation.

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

Ok have you ever herd the expression wipe the dust from your feet eternily gratefull ?

I hope that this will answer your question look here

The Greatest in the Kingdom
…36Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, 37"Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me."

The Ministry of the Twelve
…13"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. 14"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. 15"Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.
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eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

If your a new creation. Then you admitted that the law brought you to Christ correct? It did what it was supposed to do in your life. AMEN.

Now what do you do with it?

Let use an example I like to use.

you want a cookie so you ask your mom, Your mom says no. You get angry, and take the cookie anyway.

Now you knew the law said

Do not covet (yet you coveted that cookie, you thought it would satisfy some self need) , Do not steal (yet the cookie was not yours to take, and you took it anyway) . Honor your mother and father (yet you dishonored your mother by not trusting her, Not loving her, and sneaking behind her back), but in one second of flesh. You broke all three commandments. So how good were those commands and keeping you from sin? They did not work did they? They were powerless against keeping you from sin.

Now lets look at the law of love and Christ.

1. The NT idea of love is an unconditional love
2. The NT idea of faith is a full assurance.

So in the example.

You love your mom no matter what, And you have a FULL assurance that what she says is for your best interest.

You ask for the cookie. She said no. Out of your unconditional love for her, and your complete trust in her. You say ok and the thought does not cross your mind about steeling, coveting or dishonoring your parent.

Now I will ask you.

Which law is better at keeping you from sin, The law written in stone (the ten commands) or the law of Love and the Law of Christ?

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

you do understand that was given to do when NO ONE would listen to the message.

And again I must ask, I am not judging you, or forcing you to believe my way, I am asking you questions.

So why are you attacking me and not answering me? Do you think that will want to make me listen to you?

That is exactly how the pharisees did things, Does that not scare you?

Karraster · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

Ok have you ever herd the expression wipe the dust from your feet eternily gratefull ?

I hope that this will answer your question look here

The Greatest in the Kingdom
…36Taking a child, He set him before them, and taking him in His arms, He said to them, 37"Whoever receives one child like this in My name receives Me; and whoever receives Me does not receive Me, but Him who sent Me."

The Ministry of the Twelve
…13"If the house is worthy, give it your blessing of peace. But if it is not worthy, take back your blessing of peace. 14"Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. 15"Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.
Cross Re

That is such a good post I had to bump. (was just thinking the same)

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

Karraster said:

yep.

Lets not answer questions. But instead lets attack and they will listen to us.

And then if they do not believe what we say. Lets wipe the dust off our feet.

Yep. You are true children of God..

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

Ok one last response i am getting shut eye now this i will tell you no one in the right mind would keep my cookies from me and i say this because everyone who loves knows i like cookies and they would not do this to me, but if you are comparing cookies to say something like thieving like i give you an example mr joe bloggs becomes a thief he gets rich and then he gets locked up and while he is that prison all he does is blame everyone else for his losses and the things he has to go with out, this is because the law that is written in his heart he doesn't here, as he as not yet put away all that is old. and he has not yet started to practice what he preaches also.

so its the same for you and your cookies you want you can not have and you don't give back what you receive its that simple

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

And what you must also ask is what stage in life is the laws written on your heart?

Zinzerio · Mar 30, 2014

eternally-gratefull said:

This what you explain here is creating an enemy to love one , the bible quote that say love your enemy does not mean create an enemy to love one this is not a good start and you should not do it

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

lol. Well I am not sure how your love for cookees and no one would keep them from you explains the example I used as just an example of how the law could not keep you from sinning. So again I can only say you seemed to skirt around the issue and still did not answer my question.

But to show you I am not a hypocrite. and have no problem answering every question you give I will respond to yous.

The man in your example.

1. How well did the law help him?

Did the law "do not covet" help him? He coveted evidently alot of things from alot of people
Did the law "do not steel" Help him? He evidently stole alot of things
Did the law, "Do not bare false witness' help him? He evidently bared false witness against alot of people falsely blaming them

so you see again the law was POWERLESS to keep him from sin.

Now imagine if he had the law of faith and Christ.

Would he covet what the people he stole from had? Or praise God for blessing them
Would he steel from them? Or love them enough to not hurt them in any way
Would he lie about others? or would he humble himself and take the blame for his own sin?

You see how the law of love and CHrist IS powerfull to break sin, Because when we follow it, We will never sin. But the law of moses will never stop us from sin, Because we know it, We believe it, We know we will be punished for breaking it. Yet we still sin..

Not just this, But according to the law. Because we still sin, We are by the law condemned.

Anyway, I pray yuo get some sleep. I need to get some myself.

But I hope we can continue this conversation. And you do not do as others, and claim to ignore me. I am no more trying to judge you than I was trying to judge them Just trying to get yuo to think, and at the same time, get you to understand where I am coming from. And I hope to see where you are coming from as this is the only way we can learn from each other, and truly see what the other believes instead of trying to guess, or assume

eternally-gratefull · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

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according to romans 1. Everyone from Adam to you and I have had this.

the answer I guess is when we become conscious of sin,

Karraster · Mar 30, 2014

ZINZERIO said:

Yes, and like many things not easily described...when it happens..when you wake up one morning knowing why you were born, and the answer is, to do your Father's will, and to seek Him with every breath, with all your might...and you know what joy is.

and His Word, His teaching His desire..becomes your own. It is no longer an idea, it is in your heart, part of you. Honor Him in all your ways and He will direct your path,
[h=3]Psalm 28:7[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]7 [/SUP]The Lord is my strength and my shield;
my heart trusted in him, and I am helped:
therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth;
and with my song will I praise him.

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