Generational curses

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Jruiz

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Is there such thing as generational curses? And can you give me some examples?
 
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It depends on the definition of what people are telling you it is. I don't believe in them. I think the Pentecostals make up their own doctrines and/or most definitely misconstrue (misinterpret) a great number of scripture. Most (though not all) of what you see on TBN is Pentecostal made-up doctrine and not scriptural and/or misinterpreted. There is a verse in the Bible that they use to supposedly back up generational curses, but it's not meant to be taken as they have understood it to be. When reading a Bible passage, the BEST thing to do is to always read the portions/verses before and after it to get the complete meaning of what it's trying to say. Any pastor worth their salt will tell you this. Don't be fooled or led astray by all the hype and nonsense that is being spread around Christendom. A good, solid, Bible-teaching church will give you a good foundation. Calvary Chapels are always good bet! God bless you. :)
 
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I agree with most of what Brave said.
Except TBN is beyond Pentecostal and has gone into full on Word of Faith cult status years ago.
 
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Ugly, yes they're that "knab it and grab it, slap it and command all wealth to be mine, command all "disease to be gone" types. It's so creepy. I can't believe that they actually believe they can command God to do anything! so weird!

I agree with most of what Brave said.
Except TBN is beyond Pentecostal and has gone into full on Word of Faith cult status years ago.
 

Jruiz

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Numbers 14:18 ESV / 157 helpful votes

‘The Lord is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’
 

RickyZ

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Ugly, yes they're that "knab it and grab it, slap it and command all wealth to be mine, command all "disease to be gone" types. It's so creepy. I can't believe that they actually believe they can command God to do anything! so weird!
Ah so you don't understand the correct principles, and therefore throw the baby out with the bathwater because you're familiar with the incorrect uses.

One doesn't command God to do anything. One can appropriate the authority of God to overcome an evil, but this should not be done for personal gain other than overcoming the evil.
 

Jruiz

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Yeah I see what your saying..I been raised in a Pentecostal church. I will say I have never seen God move in any other church than a spirit filled church...ever.. Also they don't command God to do anything. They come in authority of Jesus Christ and command any demonic or sickness to leave...
 
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we cannot command anything. Only God can heal someone. that's just not scriptural. Spirit-filled: yes absolutely. But, being a spirit-filled church doesn't necessarily mean the way you've been accustomed to in church. We must abide by what God's word says, not make up our own doctrine. I've been in different churches that are extremely spirit-filled but balanced in their faith and practices and that teach the Bible line-by-line. if you read the last part of the book of Revelation it states what happens to those to add or take away from what is written in the Bible. and I've seen and been around many Pentecostal brothers and sisters (I am not a Pentecostal), and I know what they say. They command things during prayer as if they were God Himself. We are to approach God with respect and reverence, not as if He's some magic genie who we can command and do our bidding. God is Holy, and to be revered and feared/respected. Everything we do as believers should be used only with the measuring stick of the Bible, for to do anything else is making up your own religion.

Yeah I see what your saying..I been raised in a Pentecostal church. I will say I have never seen God move in any other church than a spirit filled church...ever.. Also they don't command God to do anything. They come in authority of Jesus Christ and command any demonic or sickness to leave...
 
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Reasons why there are no “generational curses”

1. The Lord visits the iniquity for the purpose of showing mercy, forgiveness, and compassion. He is longsuffering, and slow to anger.

2. The Lord is so compassionate that He visits the children to the fourth generation because of the effects their father’s sins had on them.

3. He visits the iniquity of generations of children whose fathers hated God, showing mercy to thousands of those who love God.

4. One cannot be held responsible for, or make payment for the sins of another. As one said; “every tub has to stand on its own feet”.

5. There is therefore now no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus. Even if there was a generational curse, the cross broke it.

6. Probably one of the most compelling reasons that there are no “generational curses” is that we see no example of it in Scripture.

- Jesus or Paul never mention generational curses

- The book of Acts never shows generational curses dealt with.

- The Old Testament has good Kings coming from bad, and bad from good.

- The Old Testament prophets never refer to, or prophesy about it.


Numbers 14:18 ESV / 157 helpful votes

‘The Lord is slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, forgiving iniquity and transgression, but he will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, to the third and the fourth generation.’
 
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Reasons why there are no “generational curses”

1. The Lord visits the iniquity for the purpose of showing mercy, forgiveness, and compassion. He is longsuffering, and slow to anger.

2. The Lord is so compassionate that He visits the children to the fourth generation because of the effects their father’s sins had on them.

3. He visits the iniquity of generations of children whose fathers hated God, showing mercy to thousands of those who love God.

4. One cannot be held responsible for, or make payment for the sins of another. As one said; “every tub has to stand on its own feet”.

5. There is therefore now no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus. Even if there was a generational curse, the cross broke it.

6. Probably one of the most compelling reasons that there are no “generational curses” is that we see no example of it in Scripture.

- Jesus or Paul never mention generational curses

- The book of Acts never shows generational curses dealt with.

- The Old Testament has good Kings coming from bad, and bad from good.

- The Old Testament prophets never refer to, or prophesy about it.
Seems that the idea of a generational curse is more of an Old Testament thing.

Although it also seems that some nations and areas are still particularly hardened to the Gospel.
 

Jruiz

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Mark 6:7 . . . Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits.

Luke 10:19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Mathew17:20......you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

It's creepy that we command IN Jesus name that all diseases to be gone?? That's creepy? Wow. What God do you serve? I serve an almighty God that can do ALL things. I believe that I can Lay hands on someone and through Jesus working through me and my faith, that person will get healed..I can lay hand on someone and cast out demons... I'm sorry if your christian life isn't that exiting...and i dont know about you,but i wanna be like Jesus 12 disciples..once again we don't command God to do anything, that's scary...
 
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Mark 6:7 . . . Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits.

Luke 10:19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

Matthew 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

John 14:12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.

Mathew17:20......you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

It's creepy that we command IN Jesus name that all diseases to be gone?? That's creepy? Wow. What God do you serve? I serve an almighty God that can do ALL things. I believe that I can Lay hands on someone and through Jesus working through me and my faith, that person will get healed..I can lay hand on someone and cast out demons... I'm sorry if your christian life isn't that exiting...and i dont know about you,but i wanna be like Jesus 12 disciples..once again we don't command God to do anything, that's scary...
She's referring to the Word of Faith cult. Which is founded on new age teachings wrapped in a bible wrapper. If you were to do a real study into WoF teachings you would see it is pure scripture twisting, out of context and in some cases bold faced lies on biblical interpretation. There is nothing Godly about WoF, rather it is one example of 'satan coming as an angel of light'. I'm judging by your response you don't really have a clue what WoF is or teaches or that she was even referring to it.
 

Jruiz

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Word of faith cult? No, she was refering to Pentecostals and then went on to say commanding diseases to be gone is creepy...what do you think jesus and his disciples did...where's
P-rubien in all of this lol he always has something to say...
 
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Word of faith cult? No, she was refering to Pentecostals and then went on to say commanding diseases to be gone is creepy...what do you think jesus and his disciples did...where's
P-rubien in all of this lol he always has something to say...
She was responding to what i said....
I agree with most of what Brave said.
Except TBN is beyond Pentecostal and has gone into full on Word of Faith cult status years ago.

To which she said in response to me...
Ugly, yes they're that "knab it and grab it, slap it and command all wealth to be mine, command all "disease to be gone" types. It's so creepy. I can't believe that they actually believe they can command God to do anything! so weird!
See the connection... i said 'word of faith cult' and she responded to my comment'. So yes, she was talking about WoF if you follow the path of the conversation.

And, if that's not enough proof for you, WoF is also known as the 'name it and claim it' group. Or the 'blab it and grab it' group. Wow, look, she used one of the nicknames for WoF.. while responding to a post where someone was talking about WoF.

If you take the time to read and follow the flow of the conversation, rather than being quick to take offense because you didn't understand, because you didn't take the time to read, then this confusion you're having wouldn't have been an issue. Its all clearly and obviously right in front of you that the conversation taking place was about WoF and not Pentecostals.
 

Jruiz

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Once again she was talking about Pentecostles.. She didn't mention word of faith until you mentioned it...anyway! I didn't know they called themselves "word of faith" but yes from what I read I do agree with most of their teachings, not all..I will say some take "Prosperity" to an whole other level..I don't see how they can live comfortably in million dollar homes while Gods children are starving. Making money off of Gods word for their own benefit..I also don't agree with their idea about "sewing seeds"...giving with expecting something in return..and of course sewing seeds always had to do with money.
 
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Wow... just wow.... even with the evidence clearly right in front of you you still refuse to see. I'm done, not point in continuing when you are unable or unwilling to see whats right in front of you.
 
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Daniel's prayer [Daniel 9:16 Lord, in keeping with all your righteous acts, turn away your anger and your wrath from Jerusalem, your city, your holy hill. Our sins and the iniquities of our ancestors have made Jerusalem and your people an object of scorn to all those around us.]One of the curses for disobedience mentioned in old testament says :[Deuteronomy 28:18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks. ] When David sinned against the Lord ( referring to his sin related to Bathsheba Uriah's wife) his son conceived by her was given death by God, his two sons died , one of his daughter got raped . There was a visible impact of his sin upon the lives of his children. I believe there are seeds of sin or weakness to act rightly that may be in our lives because our ancestors couldn't overcome some temptations in their lives. For instance Abraham called Sarah his sister when she was his wife, We find Isaac doing the same mistake, but when it comes to Jacob we find He labored freely 14 years for his two wife's. Jacob would never call his wife's sister He overcame that weakness. Or the Blessing he received helped him to purge away the ancestral weakness.