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Some people don't get it that Jesus alone himself doesn't make the Godhead...
no matter how much verses provided from Holy Bible they still want to dance to their tune...
no matter how much verses provided from Holy Bible they still want to dance to their tune...
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"I am also a father, brother, and son; and was a husband while my marriage lasted. Yet I am not God. This scripture does not imply divinity of Jesus, who himself was never a husband nor a father; so clearly this saying does not apply to him."
Great to see you here,do you have any idea whats going on?there was a shortage of entertainment..
what's your relationship had got anything to do with Godhead?
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what about the passage that says Jesus learned from the Father?Jesus will send the Holy spirit when He Ascends back to Godhead?and the greatest one difference that the time of His coming only Father knows...
what about that?
Play dumb now...
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yes,as Godhead with an order in it.
i am just continuing in this post so as to see someone who can shed some light otherwise...
Can you tell If Jesus exists and existed as a single entity why He mentioned about talking to a Father entity?
Do you need verse?i think you can find in some of my posts earlier..
Please if you can explain them being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit be one only as one single entity and not a s a Godhead?
There are verses proving it is so,or like many you also go blind to such verses...whats the game?
[SUP]
John 14:10 Believest thou not that
..... am IN the Father,
.....and the Father IN me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak NOT of myself:
.....but the Father that dwelleth IN me,
.....he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me
.....that I am IN the Father,
.....and the Father IN me:
.....or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
.....He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;
.....and greater works than these shall he do;
.....because I go unto my Father.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
.....that will I do,
.....that the Father may be glorified IN the Son.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father,
.....and he shall give you another Comforter [paraklēton], another form not heteros
.....that he may abide with you for ever;
Who abides forever
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit OF truth;
.....whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
.....but ye know him; for HE dwelleth with you,
.....and shall be IN you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;
.....but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 14:20 At that day [Pentecost] ye shall know that
.....I am INmy Father,
.....and ye IN me,
.....and I IN you.
What are the conditions?
John 14:21 He that hath MY commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
How is the Spirit Christ made manifest?
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and My Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and the WORD [logos] which ye hear is NOT mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, WHICH is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send IN MY NAME he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Paraklete will come with the NAME of Jesus Christ.
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate [paraklēton] with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And HE is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that
..... am IN the Father,
.....and the Father IN me?
the words that I speak unto you I speak NOT of myself:
.....but the Father that dwelleth IN me,
.....he doeth the works.
John 14:11 Believe me
.....that I am IN the Father,
.....and the Father IN me:
.....or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
.....He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also;
.....and greater works than these shall he do;
.....because I go unto my Father.
John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
.....that will I do,
.....that the Father may be glorified IN the Son.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father,
.....and he shall give you another Comforter [paraklēton], another form not heteros
.....that he may abide with you for ever;
Who abides forever
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
John 14:17 Even the Spirit OF truth;
.....whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
.....but ye know him; for HE dwelleth with you,
.....and shall be IN you.
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;
.....but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 14:20 At that day [Pentecost] ye shall know that
.....I am INmy Father,
.....and ye IN me,
.....and I IN you.
What are the conditions?
John 14:21 He that hath MY commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
How is the Spirit Christ made manifest?
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words:
and My Father will love him,
and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings:
and the WORD [logos] which ye hear is NOT mine, but the Father’s which sent me.
John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, WHICH is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send IN MY NAME he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
The Paraklete will come with the NAME of Jesus Christ.
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
And if any man sin, we have an advocate [paraklēton] with the Father,
Jesus Christ the righteous:
1John 2:2 And HE is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
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By this do you mean that Jesus exists as 3 and yet one?
Then what about the verse that says 'only the Father knows the hour' ?
In Jn 10, the context of 'one' is in relationship to Jesus and the Father as the shepherd of the flock. The flock quite obviously represents the people of God. The shepherd is represented in the following ways. Jesus says, “I am the good shepherd" to whom the flock belongs and that no one can snatch them out of his hand. He than says that they also belong to the Father and no one can snatch them out of his hand. He closes this illustration then with the statement, "I and the Father are one." The question then is one what? Contextually, they are one shepherd, one owner of the flock. Always allow the context to define its own use of language. We learn from a number of O.T. passages like Psalms 23 and Ezk.34 that the Shepherd of Israel is Jehovah. The Jews to whom Jesus spoke did not miss the implication of Jesus' illustration. They knew who the Shepherd of Israel was and just who Jesus was claiming to be. Their response was to pick up stone to stone him for blasphemy, "You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” Although Jesus never said in his illustration "I am God" they immediately and correctly made the connection. Now, if Jesus is not God, then they not only had a right to stone him to death for blasphemy, they had an obligation to do so. If on the other hand, Jesus is God as he presented in the illustration then the people were wrong for wanting to stone him.
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Then let us start at the beginning
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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the flesh in which The Word was manifested in died, The Word did not pass away
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So were Adam and Eve...
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
they are still two individuals. One may also join himself/herself to harlot/gigolo...
1Co 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
The point is they are still two individuals.
Jesus is in the Father, and the Father was in Jesus as He was in the flesh in the form of the Holy Spirit. You know already that all was created by Jesus, Yeshua. You know already the Child born to us is called Wonderful, Counselor, Prince of Peace, God Almighty, Everlasting Father, and He is Lord.
Providing you have read all of the Word, you know that Yahweh states on several occasions, "I am your Salvation." Salvation is the translation of the name Jesus or Yeshua completely to English. He also has declared, "I am your King." We have but One King.
It is obvious you do not want the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit to be One.
It is obvious you want to tear the revelation of just how to explain how this mystery is to be explained before Yahweh, Jesus, Yeshua, God, Lord, Holy Spirit, and more actually reveals the full understanding to all. This is true of all who are dangerously close to destroying themselves with what is falsely called knowledge in place of faith.
I know Jesus is God, because of personal revelation when the Holy Spirit entered into me, and the Father drew me to Him, and they are One.
Continue making jokes about Jesus talking to Himself. If that is the case all who pray in the Holy Spirit are doing the same.
No one has used the words, "playing dumb," in regard to your posts or their own; it does not sound like a brother in Yeshua, no, not at all. God bless you with His light.
Providing you have read all of the Word, you know that Yahweh states on several occasions, "I am your Salvation." Salvation is the translation of the name Jesus or Yeshua completely to English. He also has declared, "I am your King." We have but One King.
It is obvious you do not want the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit to be One.
It is obvious you want to tear the revelation of just how to explain how this mystery is to be explained before Yahweh, Jesus, Yeshua, God, Lord, Holy Spirit, and more actually reveals the full understanding to all. This is true of all who are dangerously close to destroying themselves with what is falsely called knowledge in place of faith.
I know Jesus is God, because of personal revelation when the Holy Spirit entered into me, and the Father drew me to Him, and they are One.
Continue making jokes about Jesus talking to Himself. If that is the case all who pray in the Holy Spirit are doing the same.
No one has used the words, "playing dumb," in regard to your posts or their own; it does not sound like a brother in Yeshua, no, not at all. God bless you with His light.
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This is an example of what the church is meant to be to Christ.
Christ and the Father are not referred to as being married nor as husband and wife, neither as bride and bridegroom.
But I do agree that the church and Christ as well as husband and wife should hold the same oneness in obedient submission under leadership as Christ and the Father.
IE: we should just do whatever Jesus says and not argue
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Agreed,
I believe there are still people who try to reason Jesus the human as being God.
Instead of understanding that Gods Words, being born directly from his spirit within...and voiced through word
who spoke all things into existence... it was God's spoken word, part of himself, which was manifested in the form of a man.
You have your body, your spirit, which reconcile within to form your thoughts and your will, and your words voice your message.
Can our words speak things into existence?
No
But Gods words can.
Can you convey to me what you're thinking without speaking?
No
But God can although those who don't have ears to listen must be told his thoughts with audible voice or by reading his spoken words to overcome their own thoughts and be taught.
Why else did Jesus say all authority in heaven and earth has been given to me.
All authority is in what God says.
You completely misapplied everything I said. Jesus did not cease to be God by becoming flesh. I am not certain that you quite grasp the implications of God becoming flesh.
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how will you explain hwat Jesus meant as 'no one knows the hour except the Father' ?
you think i consider Godhead as 3 separate people or something?