Talking against the law is dangerous

[Zinzerio]

E G I am saddened that the law is nothing more to you than condemnation. I exhort you, in love, to reckon with this process.
Remember what we talked about concerning being "subject to the law?"

James 4:7-10 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

You have already done verse 9 for too long. It's time to move out, and let God move you up. You know He will, and He is good to His word.

i tell you your so supermarky lol nice sripture

 

[just-me]

Question.
We are in the world, and not of it, yet can't help "consuming" the environment to a certain extent. Like if you walk into a barnyard, you're going to walk out smelling like a barnyard. Like Paul in Romans chapter 7.

"Consumption" of these influences are likened unto eating food, as in spiritual manna from heaven, or adverse influential food other than from our Heavenly Father.

Now the question.

Why were the caul, (being the gallbladder) fat, and the kidneys burnt on the altar in the temple?

 

[Zinzerio]

Question.
We are in the world, and not of it, yet can't help "consuming" the environment to a certain extent. Like if you walk into a barnyard, you're going to walk out smelling like a barnyard. Like Paul in Romans chapter 7.

"Consumption" of these influences are likened unto eating food, as in spiritual manna from heaven, or adverse influential food other than from our Heavenly Father.

Now the question.

Why were the caul, (being the gallbladder) fat, and the kidneys burnt on the altar in the temple?

I DONT KNOW but its sound like a scotish kebab house lol

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by just-me
Question.
We are in the world, and not of it, yet can't help "consuming" the environment to a certain extent. Like if you walk into a barnyard, you're going to walk out smelling like a barnyard. Like Paul in Romans chapter 7.

"Consumption" of these influences are likened unto eating food, as in spiritual manna from heaven, or adverse influential food other than from our Heavenly Father.

Now the question.

Why were the caul, (being the gallbladder) fat, and the kidneys burnt on the altar in the temple?

I DONT KNOW but its sound like a scotish kebab house lol

Speaking of the fleshly attributes of man, the fat is what stores the energy of the flesh.

The gallbladder stores a liquid called "bile" that comes from the liver, and this liquid aids in digestion of the flesh.

The kidneys separate the food in what the flesh determines it needs.

By daily presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice, these worldly influences are baptized by fire, and destroyed.

Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Matthew 3:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

It's NOT haggis!!!!!! LOL

 

[JGIG]

I checked out you site, very nice and accurate. I will read more of it when I get time.

Thank you =o). It's been an wonderful adventure of becoming more and more established in the Gospel of Grace and in the free gifts of God's forgiveness, righteousness, and New Life!

-JGIG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Originally Posted by just-me
Question.
We are in the world, and not of it, yet can't help "consuming" the environment to a certain extent. Like if you walk into a barnyard, you're going to walk out smelling like a barnyard. Like Paul in Romans chapter 7.

"Consumption" of these influences are likened unto eating food, as in spiritual manna from heaven, or adverse influential food other than from our Heavenly Father.

Now the question.

Why were the caul, (being the gallbladder) fat, and the kidneys burnt on the altar in the temple?


Speaking of the fleshly attributes of man, the fat is what stores the energy of the flesh.

The gallbladder stores a liquid called "bile" that comes from the liver, and this liquid aids in digestion of the flesh.

The kidneys separate the food in what the flesh determines it needs.

By daily presenting our bodies as a living sacrifice, these worldly influences are baptized by fire, and destroyed.

Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Matthew 3:11 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

It's NOT haggis!!!!!! LOL

The baptism of fire is hellfire (the fire shall never be quenched)

I have never seen someone so desperate to prove his point he wants to make a symbolic gesture of everything. Thanks for your opinion of those things, but do you have scripture to back up your points?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I take lessons from examples in OT and I fear.

Why do you fear?

God does not want you to fear.

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”

If your living in fear, your living under law (which you are in bondage to) And Not Christ.

 

[JGIG]

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[TD="class: even"]To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law.[/TD]
[TD="class: even"]20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.[/TD]
[TD="class: even"]20To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law;[/TD]
[TD="class: even"]20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;[/TD]
[TD="class: even, width: 20%"]20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win Jews; to those under the law, like one under the law--though I myself am not under the law--to win those under the law.[/TD]
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Does anybody see a difference here?

In my Bible Paul is not a hypocrite. In some of the Bibles he is. Clearly we are not reading the same Bible, but feel free to think Paul taught one way and lived another.

You neglected to post vs. 21 in the KJV:

To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. (from 1 Cor. 9) ​

Paul is saying that just because he isn't under the Law, that he is not without law - he's under the law to Christ, Who, if you'll read below, is the High Priest of a different law, the New Covenant.

Timeline, don't know why you didn't finish Luke 16, that's one of my favorite chapters!
Here's the second half, because it get's even better!!

He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. 11If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? 12And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own? 13No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. The Law and the Prophets

(Matthew 11:7-19; Luke 1:5-25; Luke 7:24-35)
14And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.



ooops, guess that last line was a bit...inconvenient.

That last line is not inconvenient - it tells us that the Law is doing its job - to show mankind their sin and point them to the only solution to that sin after the Cross - Christ!

The Law, after the Cross, is no longer a functioning covenantal system (Heb. 8:13).

Carefully read and consider the following:

11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.​

Guys - in comparison to the New Covenant, the Old Covenant is weak and useless! It makes NOTHING perfect, yet you are attempting to make yourselves righteous through that which makes NOTHING perfect!

That does not mean that the Law has no purpose after the Cross - it certainly does. It points sinners to Christ (Gal. 3).

When we come to Christ, we are released from the Law (Rom. 7, Eph. 2, Col. 3).

If we go back to the Law after we are joined to Christ, THAT'S committing spiritual adultery!

It really is very clear.

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Yeah, I did recognize you both use the same material.

Yeah. Contextual Scripture. You Law types hate that.

-JGIG

 

[ivanc0]

Originally Posted by john832
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No, PAUL IS TELLING YOU.
Paul did not have to tell me, I already knew. You did not know this?

Also. Paul was speaking about himself


Writing the Law in our hearts does not do away with the Law and yes we still need the Law to tell us what sin is. Determining sin is not our prerogative, that is God's. What we can do is choose whether to live a life of sin or a life of repentance and forgiveness.



Again, If you do not know what sin is, You have more problems than anyone in this room. And you definitely have not yet Found God.

10. Only ten.. If you have not figured what those ten are yet. Your in deep trouble.,
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Here is something some people are not Understanding, "WRITING THE LAW IN THE HEARTH" is obviously metaphoric,

And this means you will have the law without having the law!.... in other words, the will of GOD will came to your hearth without the need of a law.

"this is why Moses law does not apply to the Gentiles and the Jews who have stopped the practice of circumcision", This Does not mean that you have now freedom to have a wicked life and say there is no law, because if you do no follow the will of GOD that tells you what is good, then you are out of the Grace.

 

[JGIG]

Yeah, I did recognize you both use the same material.

Actually, "my material" comes from the bible, for the most part and since I have never seen her website until last nite, your conspiracy theory is not based on facts.

Perhaps he has never seen unity before?

And I'm sure that you and I disagree on some peripheral stuff (everyone has opinions about secondary issues), but we seem to be in unity on the core issues of the faith =o).

-JGIG

 

[just-me]

Yeah. Contextual Scripture. You Law types hate that.

-JGIG

Have you ever tried invoking the principles, and attitudes presented in these scripture toward people who are the "law types?"


Romans 14:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.

2 Timothy 4:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

 

[ivanc0]

so the law does not condemn gentiles?

Then why do they need Christ? if there is no minstery of death and judgment against them, then I guess they are all saved.

As for acts 15. Remember, the act of circumcision was given to Abraham (a gentile) as a sign.

But why you mix Christ with the law, If the law if all we need then we do not need Christ.

about acts 15, and circumcision :[h=3]Galatians 5:1-4 English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] 5 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. [SUP]3 [/SUP]I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law. [SUP]4 [/SUP]You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[SUP][a][/SUP] by the law; you have fallen away from grace.


Now image Paul did not said those word, but me, then how you will post in reply?

 

[ivanc0]

Do you think its ok to break the commandments ? yes or no

Is not OK to disobey the commandments.

Now my question to you is: "Which are the commandments for the GENTILES?"

 

[JGIG]

wonder what st paul, the same that said in acts14:14-15 14 But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out 15and saying, "Men, why are you doing these things? We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, WHO MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM. ,

would say about putting his letters above those of the old testament that he lived his life by.. mmm

Paul was quite clear about the Gospel he preached and where it came from:

11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (from Gal. 1)
​

When the Gospel of Grace becomes clearer from the contextual use of Scripture, Law-keepers start casting doubt on Paul's writings as authoritative.

If folks reject Paul as authoritative (and many Law-keepers do), that's certainly their choice, but they should be up front about their rejection of 2/3 of the New Covenant Scriptures.

Paul's writings do not contradict the Old Covenant Scriptures in any way. The Cross ratified the New Covenant in Christ which was prophesied in the Old Testament writings. Christ Himself taught Paul what the far-reaching and life-changing implications that His New Covenant over which He presides as Permanent High Priest has for those in Christ.

If you try to look at Paul through the lens of the Law, he is hard to understand, as Peter says. If you look at Paul through the lens of the New Covenant in Christ and Christ's Perfect, Permanent, High Priesthood, there are no contradictions. Just a deepening revelation of the Amazing Grace of God and as Paul wrote:

16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge —that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. (from Eph. 3)​

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

It could be that I'm aware of certain tricks that certain members use.

Who?

What tricks?

Do let us in on the conspiracy!

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

But, What did Paul said about, the ones that accept to be circumcised?
Galatians 5:3

English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

See not matter how you see it the Law of moses is not for the GENTILES

Actually, yes it is.

It is just as much of a schoomaster, and ministry to death to gentiles as it was and is for the jews.

I agree.

Though not given specifically to Gentiles, the Law stands as witness against us, pointing out how, in our sinfulness, we have fallen short of a Holy God:

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. (from Rom. 3)​

There were some who thought that 'God Fearers', Gentiles who converted to Judaism and put themselves under the Law, were then in Covenant with God through the Law.

After the Cross, the Law did not give them access to God, but instead condemned them (yea verily, the whole world, Jew and Gentile alike) before God.

No one, after the Cross, will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the Law. The Law can't make anyone righteous, whether they're in Christ or not!

Then we see this:

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. (from Rom. 3)​

The Law levels the ground at the foot of the Cross for Israel and the Gentile. But NOW, APART FROM the Law the Righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify!

That is Good News! For everyone! That is the Gospel of Grace.

\o/

-JGIG

 

[peacefulbeliever]

The boldness of Peter and John backed up by signs and wonders.
The signs and wonders today is we are blue in the face and we are still talking

I just have to ask - Did they marvel and take knowledge of Peter and John that they had been with Jesus when they saw signs and wonders or because they saw their boldness? Now we can read into that and say it was because of the signs and wonders but that is not what the scripture actually says - they saw the boldness of Peter and John. Before the day of Pentecost many stayed behind closed doors for fear of the Jews or kept silent because of fear of the Jews. The point here is not the signs and wonders - the point here is the change that had come upon Peter that he spake with boldness directly to the rulers of the people and elders of Israel - no longer denying his Lord, no longer hiding in fear . . . and what did that? Then Peter, filled with the holy Spirit . . .

 

[Zinzerio]

Is not OK to disobey the commandments.

Now my question to you is: "Which are the commandments for the GENTILES?"

Ok lol we are back to question 1 again and the start of a new chess game yes,, i hope you did not have to travel to far to pick it up and i am very sory about that. I will try to keep my cool,

i have a 24 hour timer in place for each move ok

 

[Zinzerio]

So if I sin today and feel conviction. I am condemned today? How??

The unbelievers have been condemned already if you believe you have grace if you dont you are condemned.




THIS SOUND TO ME that maybe you have good knoelegde but then on the other hand you could be using this as an excuse to say your no better than me, but let me tell you somthing 1 Peter 1:1 14As obedient children, do not be conformed to the former lusts which were yours in your ignorance, 15but like the Holy One who called you, be holy yourselves also in all your behavior; 16because it is written, “YOU SHALL BE HOLY, FOR I AM HOLY