AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[eternally-gratefull]

God cannot free Himself from the ideas that He has!! Many people call those ideas "Judaizers". I, for one, listen to God. I hear that God says we do not need the rituals He gave to lead us to spiritual truths, we can use the Holy Spirit and the word apart from them and in scripture that is called Judaizing. I listen. God did NOT say that all His instructions are Judaizing. I listen. If I am called a judaizer and told it is wrong to listen, so be it. God comes before you, Ivan.

I see where your comming from now.

Again the minister of death is not the rituals. The minister of death is the commands. CHrist fulfilled the rituals yes, But he had to fulfill the commands (sinless) in order to fulfill the rituals. Otherwise, his sacrifice would not be worth anything,

He fulfilled ALL the law. Not just part of it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The answer to your question is simple: "The preachers needs the LAW"...... WHY?..... to ask for "TITHING!"

Not all teachers ask for tithing.

And that is not the problem.

 

[RedTent]

Are you trying to say that God is Judaizer, and Paul fougth against God?...... Are you Serioussss!

You are saying that Paul fought against God, when you say that Paul meant all of God when he taught that God was more than the rituals, you are saying Paul taught that God was more than God. I don't think God taught against God, and I don't think Paul taught against God, but I think YOU are teaching against God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Let me try to give a similitude of law and liberty, (or love for God).
Joe asks Bill if he wants to help him steal a car from Jim. Bill says, "I can't do that. It is against the law. I'll get in trouble."
That is obedience to the law in practice and motive. Don't do it 'cause you'll get in trouble.

Joe asks Bill if he wants to help him steal a car from Jim. Bill says, "Why would I want to do that? I love Jim."
That is love in practice and motive.

Do you judaizers simply not see, that if you love your neighbor the law will never have application in your lives?

Thats an excellent example.

The first one, He did not do it so he would not get into trouble. He was thinking of self. This is known as human good, or self righteousness.

The second one did not think of self. He thought of the one he loved. And did not do it because he thought more of his brother than himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are saying that Paul fought against God, when you say that Paul meant all of God when he taught that God was more than the rituals, you are saying Paul taught that God was more than God. I don't think God taught against God, and I don't think Paul taught against God, but I think YOU are teaching against God.

do what?

Not to be mean sis, But I have no idea what you tried to say here..

 

[Zinzerio]

None of us could destroy the law, only the one to has given it.
and that is exactly way Jesus did..... He fulfilled the LAW!.

The New testament is full of hundreds of scriptures that say the law does not apply to gentiles.
but did apply to people who chooses to circumcise in the flesh......

Paul says to this people FOOLISH.....(just read the scripture in the quote again)

Could you explain why you do not accept Paul words?

Your words are like chrislam and not christian at all im asking for you to respect the word of God..
in no way shape or form Did God destroy the law.

I HAVE REPORTED ONE OF POSTS and to let you your words must change your views are not christian they are more like someone who is very confused or very hellbent on provoking trouble for what reason i dont know but i sense you have problem. . i feel sorry for you and i have prayed for you and i would like you to stop posting in my thread.

 

[ivanc0]

Galatians 3

King James Version (KJV)


3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?.............


[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

.....So the Idea that the law is no longer needed came from Paul.

Is not my fault you have a SPECIAL KIND of believe sets!

 

[ivanc0]

Your words are like chrislam and not christian at all im asking for you to respect the word of God..
in no way shape or form Did God destroy the law.

I HAVE REPORTED ONE OF POSTS and to let you your words must change your views are not christian they are more like someone who is very confused or very hellbent on provoking trouble for what reason i dont know but i sense you have problem. . i feel sorry for you and i have prayed for you and i would like you to stop posting in my thread.

I forgot the quote,

Galatians 3

King James Version (KJV)


3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?.............


[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

.....So the Idea that the law is no longer needed came from Paul.

Is not my fault you have a SPECIAL KIND of believe sets!

 

[ivanc0]

You are saying that Paul fought against God, when you say that Paul meant all of God when he taught that God was more than the rituals, you are saying Paul taught that God was more than God. I don't think God taught against God, and I don't think Paul taught against God, but I think YOU are teaching against God.

I have said that Paul told the Galatians that after they found Jesus, we are no longer under a schoolmaster, and the school master is the LAW.

He did not said the ceremonial LAW.... He said the LAW.

So who is distorting th bible?

 

[ivanc0]

Not all teachers ask for tithing.

And that is not the problem.

You my be right, but I agree with someones pointing that you could see the fruits for the way one gets, Money, Sex, Power.....The more obvious and easy to see is Money.

And use the concept of Law, and steal from God as the best tool.

 

[gamlet]

I have said that Paul told the Galatians that after they found Jesus, we are no longer under a schoolmaster, and the school master is the LAW.

He did not said the ceremonial LAW.... He said the LAW.

So who is distorting th bible?

Paul's point is not that the law was not needed for living. He himself live the principles of the ten commandments. He kept the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Sabbath. All Christians must keep the Sabbath. It is not just for the Jews since it was instituted at Creation before there was any Jew. But not as a means of salvation. Those who are saved by grace depend on grace alone for their salvation. But their lives should be elevated. They do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not lie (or attempt not to lie), honor their parents (and elders and everybody else), do not worship idols, and keep the sabbath. And beyond these they practice the principles of faith and love which are the ultimate manifestation of obedience.

 

[thecreationtutor]

as a regard to the title - since justification does not come from keeping the commandments - it doesn't really matter

 

[phil112]

.............. They do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not lie (or attempt not to lie), honor their parents (and elders and everybody else), do not worship idols, and keep the sabbath.........

There is no biblical direction to keep the sabbath today. You want to? Fine. Pick the day you want. Just don't pretend you are told to keep the sabbath.

And beyond these they practice the principles of faith and love which are the ultimate manifestation of obedience

Not beyond these...these are what love is about. Obeying the two commandments Christ gave us frees us from worrying about, or having to follow, the law.
We are now under the perfect law of liberty.

 

[phil112]

.................. All Christians must keep the Sabbath. ................

Romans 14:5,6....

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. [SUP] [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks

Either you or Paul is lying. You tell me which one is.

 

[ivanc0]

Paul's point is not that the law was not needed for living. He himself live the principles of the ten commandments. He kept the Sabbath. Jesus kept the Sabbath. All Christians must keep the Sabbath. It is not just for the Jews since it was instituted at Creation before there was any Jew. But not as a means of salvation. Those who are saved by grace depend on grace alone for their salvation. But their lives should be elevated. They do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not lie (or attempt not to lie), honor their parents (and elders and everybody else), do not worship idols, and keep the sabbath. And beyond these they practice the principles of faith and love which are the ultimate manifestation of obedience.

Does not matter He said , I am lord of the sabbath, and Paul said nobody judge you about sabbath.... What this means, sabbath was fulfilled. and not applicable to Gentiles.
You have to note that the NT shows the Christian Jews keep living their Traditions, but Paul taught not to teach this traditions to the Gentiles. This is why you see statements what seem contradictory, but they are not , just some people are taking verses of the bible out of context, and trying to apply what is for the Jews to the Gentiles and vice-versa.
A close understanding of the life of early Christians will show that the Christians Jews keep living the law.
But the Gentiles were not obligated to keep the Law but live by the spirit. this means following their conscience to follow Jesus.
In Jesus we all the same if we live by the spirit, but for the Jew the lord was complacent, because changing your traditions are not easy.

 

[Zinzerio]

Does not matter He said , I am lord of the sabbath, and Paul said nobody judge you about sabbath.... What this means, sabbath was fulfilled. and not applicable to Gentiles.
You have to note that the NT shows the Christian Jews keep living their Traditions, but Paul taught not to teach this traditions to the Gentiles. This is why you see statements what seem contradictory, but they are not , just some people are taking verses of the bible out of context, and trying to apply what is for the Jews to the Gentiles and vice-versa.
A close understanding of the life of early Christians will show that the Christians Jews keep living the law.
But the Gentiles were not obligated to keep the Law but live by the spirit. this means following their conscience to follow Jesus.
In Jesus we all the same if we live by the spirit, but for the Jew the lord was complacent, because changing your traditions are not easy.

Numbers 23:19

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfil?







Numbers 23:19


Titus 1:2

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2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,



Isaiah 66:22-23

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22 ‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the Lord, ‘so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,’ says the Lord.



Ecclesiastes 3:14

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14 I know that everything God does will endure for ever; nothing can be added to it and nothing taken from it. God does it so that people will fear him.




ok ivanco you wanted know some commandments in the new testement but i feel i will just be wasting my time


Matthew 4:10

10 Then Jesus saith to him: Begone, Satan: for it is written, The Lord thy God shalt thou adore, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 4:10

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

10 Jesus said to him, ‘Away from me, Satan! For it is written: “Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.”[a]’

1 Timothy 6:1

Ephesians 6:1-2

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6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 ‘Honour your father and mother’– which is the first commandment with a promise

Romans 13:9

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9 The commandments, ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not covet,’[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

6 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered.

Romans 7:7

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The law and sin

7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, ‘You shall not covet.’[a]



If you still choose to except the ten commandment are no longer in existence after reading this then there really something missing as you 55 and you should know what truth by now

 

[phil112]

Numbers 23:19
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind...........................

Perhaps you should throw away that version that says that and get one that is God's word inspired by the Holy Ghost.
Jonah 3:10.....[SUP] [/SUP]

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Strongs: repented....5162 OT - Hebrew..........nacham naw-kham'a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent

 

[Zinzerio]

Perhaps you should throw away that version that says that and get one that is God's word inspired by the Holy Ghost.
Jonah 3:10.....
Strongs: repented....5162 OT - Hebrew..........nacham naw-kham'a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself):--comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent

perhaps you should stop trashing the word of god.

 

[phil112]

perhaps you should stop trashing the word of god.

You are saying the writer of Jonah is lying then?

 

[Zinzerio]

You are saying the writer of Jonah is lying then?

Originally Posted by Zinzerio

Numbers 23:19
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind...........................

Perhaps you should throw away that version that says that and get one that is God's word inspired by the Holy Ghost.
Jonah 3:10.....

Numbers 23:19

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

19 God is not human, that he should lie,
not a human being, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfil?
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3 version all the same are you still telling me to read a new version phil ??

Numbers 23:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?


Numbers 23:19

21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

19 God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent. Hath He said, and shall He not do it? Or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

REPENT YOURself PHIL YOU HAVE TRASHED THE WORD OF GOD