Fundamentalism

[gamlet]

“Fundamentalists draw clear distinctions between themselves, as true believers, and others, convinced that they are right and that anyone who contradicts them is ignorant and possibly evil. Fundamentalists are militant in fighting against any challenge to their beliefs. They are often angry and sometimes resort to verbal or even physical abuse against those who interfere with the implementation of their agenda. There are three words that characterize fundamentalism: rigidity, domination, and exclusion.”
- Jimmy Carter


The Fundamentalism that is spoken of here is pretty common in current Christianity. How do we root it out?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Meh I would say that is Jimmy Carter's definition of a fundamentalist. Seems he is fundamentally against fundamentalism ironically.

However I also think everyone is a fundamentalist. And maybe that's not a bad thing depending on your fundamentals of course.

 

[crossnote]

Coming from Jimmy Carter, a liberal both politically and theologically, I would expect as much.

 

[Pie]

“Fundamentalists draw clear distinctions between themselves, as true believers, and others, convinced that they are right and that anyone who contradicts them is ignorant and possibly evil. Fundamentalists are militant in fighting against any challenge to their beliefs. They are often angry and sometimes resort to verbal or even physical abuse against those who interfere with the implementation of their agenda. There are three words that characterize fundamentalism: rigidity, domination, and exclusion.”
- Jimmy Carter


The Fundamentalism that is spoken of here is pretty common in current Christianity. How do we root it out?

Humans are flawed. Good luck rooting it out. But I suppose we could start by teaching people in the churches 1 Peter 3:15 "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence"

I don't really care for that definition of fundamentalism, though. It seems too broad. There are some clear distinctions. The doctrine of Christ is the core of Christianity... If say, you deny the deity of Christ, then you are not a Christian (i.e. true believer). However, this gets broadened to encompass lots of doctrines that are not necessarily central to the core of Christianity.

 

[Jackson123]

The Apostle and the early Christian like Stephen draw clear distinction between Jew and Christian. Is he fundamentalist?

How about Catholic doctrine in Lumen Gentium II/16

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128)

Muslim and Jew include in salvation they don't need to accept Jesus for their salvation. It is better than fundamentalist, Or it is fundamentalist because their think people who believe Muslim and Jew need to accept Jesus for they salvation is wrong .

In the history, People who don't believe to pay money for shorten time in purgatory is wrong and must be kill.

It is fundamentalist?

 

[pastac]

However I also think everyone is a fundamentalist. And maybe that's not a bad thing depending on your fundamentals of course.

very good reply

 

[maxwel]

“Fundamentalists draw clear distinctions between themselves, as true believers, and others, convinced that they are right and that anyone who contradicts them is ignorant and possibly evil. Fundamentalists are militant in fighting against any challenge to their beliefs. They are often angry and sometimes resort to verbal or even physical abuse against those who interfere with the implementation of their agenda. There are three words that characterize fundamentalism: rigidity, domination, and exclusion.”
- Jimmy Carter


The Fundamentalism that is spoken of here is pretty common in current Christianity. How do we root it out?

Whatever particular thing you like or dislike, you should build your case on something better than a quote from Jimmy Carter.

He is one of the least effectual, and least respected presidents in our nation's history.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Coming from Jimmy Carter, a liberal both politically and theologically, I would expect as much.

Heh is kinda stereotypical of a lefty for sure lol and basically when the liberals say "fundamentalist" that's their code word for conservatives in American culture that is lol.

Meh most my elders that lived during Carter none have a favorable view of him. My own objective view at history is he was dealt a pretty rough hand, maybe not worthy of a second term, good enough for one term I'd say given the enormities of the challenges to his presidency though he was a bit too indecisive in his critical policy failures.

Done a lot of good work after being president though and that is noteworthy and Carter still is spearheading a lot of globalist politick initiatives. I lately seen on the news that Carter, company Merck, and government in Uganda have helped reduce river blindness in Uganda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZH4aobqK0Y
[video=youtube;NZH4aobqK0Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZH4aobqK0Y[/video]


Jimmy Carter ain't all bad, just shouldn't be President is all and I don't know for certain but i'd say there's good odds that he is happier and better purposed to help humanity not being President himself anyways and should be recognized at least for the good stuff he's done after his presidency even if you didn't favor him as President.

 

[crossnote]

Godissalvation: Let's just put it this way...I'll let God be the Judge.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Godissalvation: Let's just put it this way...I'll let God be the Judge.

Aye and that's fair enough.

I just feel like Carter gets a bad rep because of his presidency. Carter has done some pretty good works in my opinion, mostly after his presidency. I agree as President, not the best President by a longshot, however Carter didn't die after losing the election to Reagan ya know lol. He's actually a major force in geo-politics not just american politics still to this day as the video above illustrates. I think it's fair to say Carter just wants to do good for his fellow man and I believe he is a Christian or at least tries his best to be better with Jesus by his testimony and testimony of the other elites.

 

[crossnote]

Aye and that's fair enough.

I just feel like Carter gets a bad rep because of his presidency. Carter has done some pretty good works in my opinion, mostly after his presidency. I agree as President, not the best President by a longshot, however Carter didn't die after losing the election to Reagan ya know lol. He's actually a major force in geo-politics not just american politics still to this day as the video above illustrates. I think it's fair to say Carter just wants to do good for his fellow man and I believe he is a Christian or at least tries his best to be better with Jesus by his testimony and testimony of the other elites.

pleeeease, don't tempt me.

 

[gamlet]

Meh I would say that is Jimmy Carter's definition of a fundamentalist. Seems he is fundamentally against fundamentalism ironically.

However I also think everyone is a fundamentalist. And maybe that's not a bad thing depending on your fundamentals of course.

The bad thing about fundamentalism is its unforgiving attitude towards those who don't believe as they do. When they exclude others from God's blessing on the basis of difference, that is bad. The attitude should be: we are both fallible human beings capable of making mistakes. But this I believe, let's discuss it.

 

[gamlet]

Humans are flawed. Good luck rooting it out. But I suppose we could start by teaching people in the churches 1 Peter 3:15 "but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence"

I don't really care for that definition of fundamentalism, though. It seems too broad. There are some clear distinctions. The doctrine of Christ is the core of Christianity... If say, you deny the deity of Christ, then you are not a Christian (i.e. true believer). However, this gets broadened to encompass lots of doctrines that are not necessarily central to the core of Christianity.

Christians can move away from fundamentalism not by rejecting the core or any of their beliefs but by widening their circle of acceptance. We must accept everybody and have compassion on them regardless of their beliefs. I mean we shouldn't make beliefs the basis of the way we relate to them.

 

[gamlet]

Whatever particular thing you like or dislike, you should build your case on something better than a quote from Jimmy Carter.

He is one of the least effectual, and least respected presidents in our nation's history.

I can build a whole case against fundamentalism from the Bible. Just thought this comment to be a starting point. The person of Jimmy Carter is beside the point.

 

[crossnote]

Christians can move away from fundamentalism not by rejecting the core or any of their beliefs but by widening their circle of acceptance. We must accept everybody and have compassion on them regardless of their beliefs. I mean we shouldn't make beliefs the basis of the way we relate to them.

And how pray tell do you handle a Scripture such as...

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

...without accusing Saint John of being a 'fundamentalist?

 

[gamlet]

Godissalvation: Let's just put it this way...I'll let God be the Judge.

The focus is on our attitude towards others. Fundamentalism is not about theological discussion but about acceptance of that person who holds beliefs varying from our own.

 

[gamlet]

And how pray tell do you handle a Scripture such as...

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.



...without accusing Saint John of being a 'fundamentalist?

"If there come any unto you" probably means coming into the church as a member or bearing ecclesiastical authority. I'm talking about inter-faith or inter-religion relations. We should not make religious differences as barriers to loving others.

 

[crossnote]

"If there come any unto you" probably means coming into the church as a member or bearing ecclesiastical authority. I'm talking about inter-faith or inter-religion relations. We should not make religious differences as barriers to loving others.

One way I love people is to tell them the Truth of the Gospel. Are you saying to drop the gospel if it creates a barrier due to their different beliefs?

 

[GodIsSalvation]

pleeeease, don't tempt me.

My grandpa (dad's side) has said worse on Carter than you or I can in this forum I assure you I've heard it and more from the elders lol. 1970s as a decade be the Rough times during that era from my perspective not being born then. Carter not worthy of two terms for office of president and so he only got one, that's fair. However I don't think he should be cast aside so easy because he done much good on the fronts of just basic human rights worldwide. You or me in truth can't even cast aside Carter if you want to because he's one of the most recognized and recognizable people not just in the American fishbowl but all over the Earth. And he has done some good in my opinion.

Also my bad that video is from last year for Uganda.

Last news I had seen was on tv world news channel but for articles when I searched on google are many so here are really the latest written for you in regards to Carter's initiative to tackle river blindness this year was in March regarding countries of Nigeria and Venezuela (talks pending on Venezuela)

Jimmy Carter in Talks With Venezuela on Disease - ABC News

OPINION: COMBATING RIVER BLINDNESS IN NIGERIA: THE CARTER CENTRE AND SIR EMEKA OFFOR FOUNDATION PARTNERSHIP - thenigerianvoice.com

Don't be tempted, understand Carter is still truckin'. Carter doing good things for people and both his friends and foes comment he is Christian. I see no reason to doubt this and hope he keeps doing what he's doing which is good stuff to help people in Jesus name.

 

[SarahM777]

And how pray tell do you handle a Scripture such as...

2 John 1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

...without accusing Saint John of being a 'fundamentalist?

Crossnote,

John may NOT be a fundamentalist under definition of a fundamentalist.

What is Fundamentalism?

Question: "What is Fundamentalism?"

Answer:The word fundamental can describe any religious impulse that adheres to its basic tenets. Fundamentalism, for the purpose of this article, is a movement within the church that holds to the essentials of the Christian faith. In modern times the wordfundamentalistis often used in a derogatory sense.

The Fundamentalist movement has its roots in Princeton Theological Seminary because of its association with graduates from that institution. Two wealthy church laymen commissioned ninety-seven conservative church leaders from all over the Western world to write 12 volumes on the basic tenets of the Christian faith. They then published these writings and distributed over 300,000 copies free of charge to ministers and others involved in church leadership. The books were entitled The Fundamentals, and they are still in print today as a two-volume set.

Fundamentalism was formalized in the late 19th century and early 20th century by conservative Christians—John Nelson Darby, Dwight L. Moody, B. B. Warfield, Billy Sunday, and others—who were concerned that moral values were being eroded by modernism—a belief that human beings (rather than God) create, improve, and reshape their environment with the aid of scientific knowledge, technology and practical experimentation. In addition to fighting the influence of modernism, the church was struggling with the German higher criticism movement, which sought to deny the inerrancy of Scripture.

Fundamentalism is built on five tenets of the Christian faith, although there is much more to the movement than adherence to these tenets:

1) The Bible is literally true. Associated with this tenet is the belief that the Bible is inerrant, that is, without error and free from all contradictions.

2) The virgin birth and deity of Christ. Fundamentalists believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary and conceived by the Holy Spirit and that He was and is the Son of God, fully human and fully divine.

3) The substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ on the cross. Fundamentalism teaches that salvation is obtained only through God’s grace and human faith in Christ’s crucifixion for the sins of mankind.

4) The bodily resurrection of Jesus. On the third day after His crucifixion, Jesus rose from the grave and now sits at the right hand of God the Father.

5) The authenticity of Jesus’ miracles as recorded in Scripture and the literal, pre-millennial second coming of Christ to earth.

Other points of doctrine held by Fundamentalists are that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible and that the church will be raptured prior to the tribulation of the end times. Most Fundamentalists are also dispensationalists.

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What is Fundamentalism?

And the possible places where John may be disagreement is parts of points 1 and 5 and dispensationlism. If Revelation is NOT to be taken 100 % literally then John is NOT a fundamentalist by definition.