AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[eternally-gratefull]

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1. Your long, large posts yelling at people is never going to get your point across.
2. If you try to obey the ten commands with all your being (your flesh) You will fail. This is what scripture says, if you deny this, you deny the words of God himself.
3. We do not obey the commands with all our being, We live the law of love righteousness, and of CHrist, And we will not break the law of sin and judgment (while we are focused on those things.)

You have been fooled by LAWyers who try to get God to look at all their good deeds, and think God will bless them and love them because they obey some list of rules, When they have fooled themselves into thinking they are obeying them (when in reality they are not in a way God demands)

Stop looking at rules, which can only condemn you, Learn to take the LOVE and FORGIVENESS that God he supposedly shown you, And pass that on to everyone you com into Contact with. That is pure religion before God.

 

[JaumeJ]

You who believe obeying God is works. You who believe once saved always saved. You who believe faith without works is just fine. I think you should read the words of the Master more.

Reading the parable of the master of some land who went on a journey leaving varying amounts of talents of silver with various of his servants, it is taught by our Master that once we receive from Him the gift of faith, and we claim to serve Him, if we hide our faith and do nothing we are wicked and slothful servants. Those who worked to increase their talents of silver where not only thanked but rewarded with the same amount again.

The one who did nothing with his gift or charge from the Master was bound and thrown into the outer darkeness. I realize some will say the parable has nothing to do with works, yet those who will say this also say they see. If they do say they see, their guilt will remain. This is not my thinking, no, this is my learning from the Master. He speaks plainly, and does not make things seem futile, though some lessons do appear hard at first, it is better to learn them because if not, you will pay for not heeding the Word.

 

[Grandpa]

Matthew 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Rest from what???

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The law of sin and death? What's that?

2 Corinthians 3:17-18

[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

There's a ministration of Death and there's a ministration of the Spirit? I wonder which one we should follow???

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You who believe obeying God is works. You who believe once saved always saved. You who believe faith without works is just fine. I think you should read the words of the Master more.

lol. Who believes faith without works is fine?

News flash. THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Before you start condemning people. Why don't you try to learn what faith is..

 

[Grandpa]

There's a ministration of Death and there's a ministration of the Spirit? I wonder which one we should follow???

Oh, I know. Lets mix the two. Because they are both from God so they must both be for everyone...

Galatians 3:24-26
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Oh, I guess not. I guess the schoolmaster, the law of sin and death, was only to be our teacher until we come to Faith in Christ.

Well I'm sure it can't be bad to go back to the Law of sin and death after we have come to Christ, right?

Galatians 3:10-14

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The promise of the Spirit through Faith? You mean the ministration of the Spirit that is more Glorious than the ministration of Death? That sounds pretty good to me.

 

[JaumeJ]

I do not believe you understood my post. Faith is no faith at all without works. I am very sorry if my words are not clear. You may laugh though. This post is inspired by those who teach not to do anything, that being obedient is not necessary.

lol. Who believes faith without works is fine?

News flash. THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

Before you start condemning people. Why don't you try to learn what faith is..

 

[Deadtosin]

It isn't enough for the coach to just tell you what to do, you have to do it, you have to make sure you know how to implement what He is telling you to do. You have to practice, so to speak.

Our coach (God, the Holy Spirit) has told us what to do, and how to do it. But that doesn't mean we automatically do it. We have to do what he says, practically.

Matt, so what is the difference of old and new? In the old testament they had the laws and the coach, why did they fail? what has changed?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not believe you understood my post. Faith is no faith at all without works. I am very sorry if my words are not clear. You may laugh though. This post is inspired by those who teach not to do anything, that being obedient is not necessary.

1. Who teaches that?
2. Are you honestly going to say you understand what true faith means. then claim what you just claimed?
3. Do you understand the difference between true faith, and mere belief. and understand which one saves?

 

[JaumeJ]

Where is all of this hostility coming from. I know my faith, and one who truly believes has faith by the way, or do you not remember what Yeshua teaches about believing that He is the Son of God being works? I also know what I have posted and why. It is in rebuttal to those to whom my reply applies. It was never indended to you, however if you feel it is, I am very sorry. Please, I am not here to boast about me, if I boast, i boast of the One Who made all and saved me and all others who are saved.

If you do not understand the parable, nor what it means, I cannot force understanding upon you. Thank you for telling people who believe Yeshua, me for one, that we do not know what faith is. May Yahweh, God bless you and light your Way in Yeshua, amen.

1. Who teaches that?
2. Are you honestly going to say you understand what true faith means. then claim what you just claimed?
3. Do you understand the difference between true faith, and mere belief. and understand which one saves?

 

[danschance]

Should gentiles follow the Mosaic law? Absolutely not.

25But as for the Gentiles who have believed, we have sent a letter with our judgment that they should abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled,[SUP]d[/SUP] and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:25

The apostles in Jerusalem sent them a letter and told them four things to do. Isn't it interesting that they never mentioned keeping the sabbath or keeping a kosher diet? Yet the judaizers among us teach something different. Shame on them for ignoring the clear dictates of the apostles in Jerusalem.

 

[RedTent]

EG, Grandpa, and Phil, our differences are serious and it seems to me important we work on them. It is difficult to read your positions between the insults you throw at anyone who sees scripture differently than you do, I wish you would stick to what you believe instead.

You say you have scripture, word for word to back you up. So did the Devil when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. You use "law of liberty" "under grace not law" "Christ fulfilled" "obsolete" and those words come from scripture. But because you are not fitting them into the essence and being of God, those words are made to not be in character with all of God. The same words, different meanings.

You say rules won't make you holy, and to stop looking at the rules. We are to look at love and the Holy Spirit only. But the Holy Spirit will not read the word into our minds, we are to go to scripture for that and you say not to go to scripture.

You guys are finally agreeing that to have faith is to have works, so we ARE coming ahead in agreeing to truth.

Our differences doesn't seem to be on everything of the Lord, you list some wonderful truths. Our differences seem to center on the idea that God has gotten rid of and destroyed much. The other idea is that God has made many things better through Christ but completed, not destroyed. You say reading God's law God wrote to us should never be done, and we say that all you say should be done, we add reading about law to help with that.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where is all of this hostility coming from.

maybe by you continually bashing my faith?

I know my faith, and one who truly believes has faith by the way, or do you not remember what Yeshua teaches about believing that He is the Son of God being works? I also know what I have posted and why. It is in rebuttal to those to whom my reply applies. It was never indended to you, however if you feel it is, I am very sorry. Please, I am not here to boast about me, if I boast, i boast of the One Who made all and saved me and all others who are saved.

If you do not understand the parable, nor what it means, I cannot force understanding upon you. Thank you for telling people who believe Yeshua, me for one, that we do not know what faith is. May Yahweh, God bless you and light your Way in Yeshua, amen.

you did not answer my questions. why is this?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Should gentiles follow the Mosaic law? Absolutely not.



The apostles in Jerusalem sent them a letter and told them four things to do. Isn't it interesting that they never mentioned keeping the sabbath or keeping a kosher diet? Yet the judaizers among us teach something different. Shame on them for ignoring the clear dictates of the apostles in Jerusalem.

The same schoolmaster must win over the gentile as it did the jew.

As for following the law. Both Jew and Gentile should use it for what it was intended. and find how to truely worship God when they have been saved bu yhe schoolmaster

 

[JaumeJ]

I am sorry, what is your question? If it should be about faith, I am afraid, I cannot answer that for you, only for myself. As for bashing your religion, please quote where I have bashed your religion, that is, unless you are Catholic and approve of the the Cathholic Church? Even so, I believe there are believers in the ranks of the Catholic Church. So how have I or anyone bashed your religion? If you wish to continue this fantasy of my having addressed you in the post you did quote of mine, I am afraid you are whipping a long dead horse.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am sorry, what is your question? If it should be about faith, I am afraid, I cannot answer that for you, only for myself.

I am not asking you for me. I know what faith is.

You claim my religion teaches faith without works is ok. I am asking you to explain how that can be? The only way you cam make that claim is you do not know what true faith is., if you did, you would never claim this to be true.

As for bashing your religion, please quote where I have bashed your religion, that is, unless you are Catholic and approve of the the Cathholic Church? Even so, I believe there are believers in the ranks of the Catholic Church. So how have I or anyone bashed your religion? If you wish to continue this fantasy of my having addressed you in the post you did quote of mine, I am afraid you are whipping a long dead horse.

You bash me when you say I teach faith alone does not have to work

you bash me when you speak against the eternal security of the soul in Christ. is a lie.

 

[RedTent]

Should gentiles follow the Mosaic law? Absolutely not.



The apostles in Jerusalem sent them a letter and told them four things to do. Isn't it interesting that they never mentioned keeping the sabbath or keeping a kosher diet? Yet the judaizers among us teach something different. Shame on them for ignoring the clear dictates of the apostles in Jerusalem.

If you must throw out judgments and shame, you have a lot of shame coming to you, too. Shame on you for not reading the next verse about these things the gentiles were to do, it is a verse about the synagogue to learn scripture. Gentiles who did not listen to these laws were not allowed in synagogue, and going to synagogue was the only way to learn scripture. Shame on you for ignoring much of scripture in the name of Judaizing and not understanding what Paul was telling us to avoid. And shame to us both for heaping shame on the other. Jesus said not even to call each other "you fool", to say nothing of judging each other as worthy of shame.

 

[JaumeJ]

If you believe my post was directed to you, well, I am sorry. You may continue in this vein but, please, not with me. I could give you a very long list of what I have been allowed to do in faith, but that would be boasting, but I can say some of it is listed in the Word as deserving reward in the Kingdom to come. That is if you believe the promises of Yeshua. I don't want to get into a who has more faith competition for that would be petty and spiritually immature. Please stop with trying to force issues that have not been raised with you by me. That in itself is a falsehood, a lie if you prefer. Now, I will pray for your guidance from Yeshua, but please stop now. If you elect to continue in this manner I will simply ignore you.

[/COLOR]I am not asking you for me. I know what faith is.

You claim my religion teaches faith without works is ok. I am asking you to explain how that can be? The only way you cam make that claim is you do not know what true faith is., if you did, you would never claim this to be true.



You bash me when you say I teach faith alone does not have to work

you bash me when you speak against the eternal security of the soul in Christ. is a lie.

 

[Karraster]

The word repent in Hebrew literally means to do a 180, In our day it would be like making a u-turn, or changing direction where you were walking one way, Then turned around to go back.

In Numbers, the context is that God is not like a man. Who will make a promise, then go BACK on his promise, or "change his mind"

When God makes a promise, he keeps it no matter what.

However, we all must remember, God shows mercy. He has deemed in his righteousness and Justice that all men are under sin, and thus must be judged, The mere fact he is merciful and "relents" on his judgment based on his son shows that God is able to "turn around" and change his mind concerning judgment. But he must do it is a way which holds to his perfect character and justice (thus the cross)

In Jonah 3, God had deemed he was going to destroy Ninevah. Yet they themselves changed and admitted their sin. Thus God "relented" or "Changed his mind" or "repented" of his judgment concerning that nation based on his mercy and grace.

God's way of "repenting" is unique to God: "God is not a man that he should repent" (the way a man repents in his ignorance of the future). For God to say, "I feel sorrow that I made Saul king," is not the same as saying, "I would not make him king if I had it to do over." God is able to feel sorrow for an act in view of foreknown evil and pain, and yet go ahead and will to do it for wise reasons. And so later, when he looks back on the act, he can feel the sorrow for the act that was leading to the sad conditions, such as Saul's disobedience.

Man's repentance should be, as you said a 180. Man's repentance is a realization in retrospect that he has wronged God,(sinned) where God's repentance is foreknowledge and not sin. Which, this study in itself should lead one to consider, that after learning what God deems sin, do we have the right to go ahead and sin? Are we putting ourselves as equal to God when we sin knowingly?

Romans 6:5What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG, Grandpa, and Phil, our differences are serious and it seems to me important we work on them. It is difficult to read your positions between the insults you throw at anyone who sees scripture differently than you do, I wish you would stick to what you believe instead.

who is throwing insults?

If asking someone a question is an insult. thats not exactly our fault.

saying things we do not teach or believe is an insult. yet you and others seem to have no problem continually repeating the same old lies about us.

You say you have scripture, word for word to back you up. So did the Devil when he tempted Jesus in the wilderness. You use "law of liberty" "under grace not law" "Christ fulfilled" "obsolete" and those words come from scripture. But because you are not fitting them into the essence and being of God, those words are made to not be in character with all of God. The same words, different meanings.

yet God said them, and he said them in relation to us. so sorry if we interpret them in the context of what God says about those who are born of his grace.

You say rules won't make you holy, and to stop looking at the rules. We are to look at love and the Holy Spirit only. But the Holy Spirit will not read the word into our minds, we are to go to scripture for that and you say not to go to scripture.

so you are saying we do not know the laws? we do not know the intructions? How do you think we came to God in the first place?WE KNEW THEM and understood we failed.

so can you explain what purpose would benefit us to go back and continually read the rules and regulations we ALREADY KNOW? this makes no sense. Did they make us holy before Christ? No. Did they make Israel Holy? No? Did they make David Holy? No.

so what makes you think going back to the laws which never made anyone holy, thinking they all of a sudden will make us holy now?

You guys are finally agreeing that to have faith is to have works, so we ARE coming ahead in agreeing to truth.

we never disagreed.

It was you people you claimed we taught a faith which never existed. not us.. That was your misunderstanding, not ours. We always Knew faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. By faith we do the work God created us to do (see eph 2: 10 along with Hebrews 11)

Our differences doesn't seem to be on everything of the Lord, you list some wonderful truths. Our differences seem to center on the idea that God has gotten rid of and destroyed much.

No,

Our differences is the purpose of particullar thing God gave.

You think it makes us holy, and able to walk with God

We think it can do no such thing, all it can do is condemn us and convict us, and lead us to Christ.

e other idea is that God has made many things better through Christ but completed, not destroyed. You say reading God's law God wrote to us should never be done, and we say that all you say should be done, we add reading about law to help with that.

I read the law to people who are not saved,

I read the law to remind myself of what God saved me from.

I do not read the law to learn how to be holy, It did not work in the past, It did not work in any person who ever read it, and it certainly will not work now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If you believe my post was directed to you, well, I am sorry. You may continue in this vein but, please, not with me. I could give you a very long list of what I have been allowed to do in faith, but that would be boasting, but I can say some of it is listed in the Word as deserving reward in the Kingdom to come. That is if you believe the promises of Yeshua. I don't want to get into a who has more faith competition for that would be petty and spiritually immature. Please stop with trying to force issues that have not been raised with you by me. That in itself is a falsehood, a lie if you prefer. Now, I will pray for your guidance from Yeshua, but please stop now. If you elect to continue in this manner I will simply ignore you.

do me a favor.

Stop saying people claim faith can be real without works. It is not true.

If you are not willing to learn what we believe, then do us all a favor and stop making false claims about us.. ok??

if you want to ignore me like the rest feel free. I will not stop defending my faith, and the faith of the many men and women of God who have preceded me and who will follow me. And I will defend the faith God demands we have till the end.