AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?

[KSublett]

Paul would have been trained in the synagogue in the LAW AND PROPHETS. The Law of Moses was imposed because of musical idolatry and is the PATTERN of what not to do.

The Monarchy had been abandoned to worship the starry host and did not follow the Law of Moses.
The Prophets by the Spirit OF Christ defines His future REST or assembly both INCLUSIVELY AND EXCLUSIVELY. Therefore, Paul would have understood the nature of the Church after the Jew's Covenant with Death and Hell was annuled.

Acts 22:11 And when I could not see for the glory of that light,
being led by the hand of them that were with me, I came into Damascus.
Acts 22:12 And one Ananias, a devout man according to the law,
......having a good report of all the Jews which dwelt there,
Acts 22:13 Came unto me, and stood, and said unto me,
......Brother Saul, receive thy sight.
......And the same hour I looked up upon him.

PRETTY BIG MIRACLE?

Acts 22:14 And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee,
......that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One,
......and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.

Have YOU been there DONE THAT? Then what makes you so supernaturally gifted that YOU don't have to DO?

Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.

Not before He was Washed with water INTO the Word or into the SCHOOL OF CHRIST in the Prophets and Apostles. That excludes the Law of Moses and the Laws of the Monarcy.

Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou?
......arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins,
......calling on the name of the Lord.

Paul left us a memory of HIS PART of Making the Prophecies more perfect which according to Peter must not be Private interpreted meaning FURTHER EXPOUNDED. Jesus left us all of the songs and sermons.

2Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the OTHER SCRIPTURES, unto their own destruction.

THE LAW WAS TO LEGISLATE FOR THE LAWLESS until God carried out the cap;tivity and death sentence.

The Prophets by Christ REPUDIATES the Civil-Military-Clergy complex as robbers and parasites: there is nothing in the monarchy which is anything be the PATTERN of people abandoned back to Babylonianism.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, I think Paul used the scripture that was available to him, then, and there was no "NT". The scripture he had told of Christ to people new to learning that Christ had come. They had been told he was going to come for hundreds and hundreds of years, but he had only very recently come and it was hard for many to believe, Paul had a monumental job to do and yes, he used scripture to do it.

Yes he did,, He needed to. as we all do. Everyone needs to know the law and prophets. They will not see the promise of God unfold if they do not.

This is what I mean when I say no one us saying we should ignore, or cast out, or tell people never to read parts of scripture. that just is not true.

The scripture that Paul used to teach had a LOT of meat in it. Paul was against using the rituals that God had used to point to that meat. Today's Christians who read Paul are saying that meant to toss out meat and rituals and all. That is not right. Paul did not want to teach rituals.

Again, no this is not what we are saying.

This is why it gets so frustrating.. You still do not understand what we are saying.. I will honest. I do not even know how to answer anymore. I have tried so many times, as has granpa and others. And you still do not get what we are saying.

When you read Paul, who had scripture as a part of him, from the viewpoint of someone who focuses on scripture that hadn't been written yet and discounting much of what was part of Paul as only milk, it is very difficult to understand Paul.

Here is what is true.

The OT is from genesis to the acts. (everything before the dath of Christ. The new is past that.

We need the old to see

1. Why we need Christ and how he will bring us to him (the law)
2. How the OT believers lived, how they made mistakes, How God showed great mercy to them so we can learn not to make the same mistakes, and learn of his great mercy by understanding what he did.
3. Understand prophey (which God uses to PROVE he is the one true God
4. To understand all things (how can one give an answer to an OT question if the person has not studied it)

Paul wrote the new, because he had to correct mistakes from NT believers who were studying and learning the OT. because the OT was not helping. If the OT was all we needed, we would not need the massive letters from paul correcting our thinking, From james asking us to test our own faith, and let it grow. From peter and John showing us Gods love, and explaining things to us, the things the OT could not answer.

 

[Karraster]

This is a portion of the song God gave to Moses to say to the people. Not quoting all, for I trust every reader has a Bible.
[h=3]Exodus 15[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying,
I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously:
the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation:
he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation;
my father’s God, and I will exalt him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord is a man of war:
the Lord is his name.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Pharaoh’s chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea:
his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]The depths have covered them:
they sank into the bottom as a stone.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power:
thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.


Almighty Father is giving everyone a choice. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is no respecter of persons, and there is this salvation available to all.

 

[Zinzerio]

1. She said she ignored me, and told everyone else to do the same and has been for days.
2. SHe came out of her ignoring me to make attacks against me, Which were taken totally out of context.
3. Maybe your right, Next time I will just report her posts.

however

Sorry if I called someone who claims to be a child of God out. Paul had no problem doing it, nor did Christ. Why should I be any different?

Nothing she said added to the discussion.

Jaume STILL stated things against me, He still directed his comments to me (he can;t deny it, even you should see this) and I asked him about what he said.

It is not my fault everyone God mad.

One thing i would like to say is what on earth are you doing here then ?. what is it that you blame God for ? With out him we would all be lost


1 Peter 2:25

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ‘you were like sheep going astray,’[SUP][a][/SUP] but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

Guardian of your souls.

thats why i am here and many others its called snatching your brother out of the fire not putting them in a hole.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No i will say my peace to whoever i feel if a friends speaks like you do i will tell them just the same, but as we can see you think this topic is a big joke.

Oh I do?

it is not a joke. it is serious. The church is being given a bad names by all the people professing law. and being seen as hypocrites because they can not keep the law themselves. or they want to act holy, yet sin all the time, yet deny it is even sin..

My wife and I have to contend with this all the time at work. and try to explain How God is not that way. It makes it hard to give the gospel when lawyers are out trying to destroy the gospel.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One thing i would like to say is what on earth are doing here then ?. what is it that you blame for God for ? With out him we wold all be lost


1 Peter 2:25

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ‘you were like sheep going astray,’[SUP][a][/SUP] but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

Guardian of your souls.

thats why i am here and many others its called snatching your brother out of the fire not putting them in a hole.

My friend

Someone said that we teach that faith without works is just fine.

I questioned him on what he said, He got angry, And a certain person used that as a open door to attack me.

I agree, We have all gone astray. But God has found some of us

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is a portion of the song God gave to Moses to say to the people. Not quoting all, for I trust every reader has a Bible.
Exodus 15

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

15 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the Lord, and spake, saying,
I will sing unto the Lord, for he hath triumphed gloriously:
the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The Lord is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation:
he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation;
my father’s God, and I will exalt him.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Lord is a man of war:
the Lord is his name.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Pharaoh’s chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea:
his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]The depths have covered them:
they sank into the bottom as a stone.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Thy right hand, O Lord, is become glorious in power:
thy right hand, O Lord, hath dashed in pieces the enemy.


Almighty Father is giving everyone a choice. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is no respecter of persons, and there is this salvation available to all.

Hey we agree..

Maybe there is hope?

 

[Karraster]

Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people. 44And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun. 45And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel: 46And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

 

[Karraster]

To me belongeth vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste. 36For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
37And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1 John 5:
5 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? [SUP]6 [/SUP]This is the One who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that testify: [SUP]8 [/SUP]the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for the testimony of God is this, that He has testified concerning His Son. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. [SUP]12 [/SUP]He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. [SUP]14 [/SUP]This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him. [SUP]16 [/SUP]If anyone sees his brother [SUP][m][/SUP]committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask and [SUP][n][/SUP]God will for him give life to those who commit sin not leading to death. There is a sin leading to death; I do not say that he should make request for this. [SUP]17 [/SUP]All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him. [SUP]19 [/SUP]We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. [SUP]20 [/SUP]And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

 

[Karraster]

[h=3]Isaiah 40:8[/h]English Standard Version (ESV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]The grass withers, the flower fades,
but the word of our God will stand forever.

 

[Zinzerio]

time for a nap that was intense

 

[Karraster]

time for a nap that was intense

what's so intense, is that we have a Creator who wants to tabernacle with us! Wow! He is Holy, and He seeks who wants to be Holy, so we may fellowship with Him.

 

[phil112]

God's way of "repenting" is unique to God................................................

It is the same word. To think it means something different is to do two things: Add more the the word of God than the bible says (and we know what the bible says about that, tho that hasn't stopped you yet) and refuse the plain language that the Spirit
inspired the word of God to be written in.

Man's repentance should be, as you said a 180. Man's repentance is a realization in retrospect that he has wronged God,(sinned) where God's repentance is foreknowledge and not sin.

You, once again, are attaching more words to the bible than it says. Repentence is not always connected with sin, nor does the bible say that. You can repent from speaking fast, which would mean speaking more slowly. No sin involved there, is there? Stop using your definition for words. If you don't know what they mean, look them up!

Originally Posted by Karraster....so..when examining where in the kjv it lists the times "God repented", take heed you are not deceived. Closer scrutiny will disclose that God has pity, shows mercy, and delays punishment, but never goes back on His Word.

You are getting confused. If someone goes back on their word, they renege. God didn't promise or agree to destroy them. He simply said He was going to because of their disobedience. They are the ones that repented first. That changed the circumstance under which God made His statement. Since the circumstance changed, destruction no longer applied to their behaviour, and He repented, turned 180 degrees, changed His mind, of the destruction He said they were asking for.

God didn't promise or agree to destroy them....????????????????????????

You say that I implied God goes back on his word. To do that is to renege. "re-nege: to refuse to do something that you promised or agreed to do"
You read Job and show me exactly where God says that He promised to destroy them, or agreed to destroy them.

Your lack of understanding is abysmal. Your shallowness in the word, appalling. You don't have a basic command of the english language, and yet you try to school me in it? You are a foolish woman.
[h=2][/h]

 

[Karraster]

It is the same word. To think it means something different is to do two things: Add more the the word of God than the bible says (and we know what the bible says about that, tho that hasn't stopped you yet) and refuse the plain language that the Spirit
inspired the word of God to be written in.

You, once again, are attaching more words to the bible than it says. Repentence is not always connected with sin, nor does the bible say that. You can repent from speaking fast, which would mean speaking more slowly. No sin involved there, is there? Stop using your definition for words. If you don't know what they mean, look them up!



You say that I implied God goes back on his word. To do that is to renege. "re-nege: to refuse to do something that you promised or agreed to do"
You read Job and show me exactly where God says that He promised to destroy them, or agreed to destroy them.

Your lack of understanding is abysmal. Your shallowness in the word, appalling. You don't have a basic command of the english language, and yet you try to school me in it? You are a foolish woman.

typical speech of a KJV onliest. If you would study Hebrew your eyes would be opened.

 

[Daley]

no you read it my friend and read as the Jews saying Jesus had broke the sabbath ? // THE SAME JEWS who are still offended by God when he called them hipocrits i show you.

john 5:18
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

this passage clearly shows the Jews of putting our farther to the test, and don't forget Jesus was accused of everything under the sun by the Jews.


Hebrews 4:9

New International Version - UK (NIVUK)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;


that is the correct scripture and a message here for other people here, is look what all you people are doing to this poor member here can you see anybody or are you all blind this member now thinks its ok not to keep the commandments all because of an argument about we are not under the law, may i remind you all of this passage.



Matthew 18:6
The Greatest in the Kingdom
…5"And whoever receives one such child in My name receives Me; 6but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.

again this is Jesus telling you Satan will take you away not him but as we know Satan can not harm a child of god

John 5:18 doesn't say the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because THEY THOUGHT he had broken the sabbath, rather, it says they wanted to kill him because HE HAD broken the sabbath, big difference. Also, the Jews who opposed Jesus were not making the comments in John 5:18. It was the apostle John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit who made the claim that Jesus broke the sabbath! He is in a better position to know what happened than you do. You can quote many things Jesus said and so can I, but here is one of Jesus' closes disciples who lived in his day, and his interpretation must be the interpretation of the original Christians, and that interpretation was that Jesus was breaking the sabbath. Now, John 5:18 also says Jesus was equal with God, and that God was his Father, so if this passage only gives the incorrect opinion of the Jews as you claim, then you are denying the divinity of Christ. I don't believe some of this verse, believe all of it.

Just because it was the Jews who wanted to stone him for sabbath breaking you ASSUME he didn't break the sabbath. But they also wanted to stone him for claiming to be God, do you therefore believe Jesus wasn't God? In fact, Jesus gave good evidence in John 5 that he was indeed working and encouraging work on the sabbath. In John 5:8 Jesus commanded the man to take up his bed and walk. It was not lawful to carry a load on the sabbath (Jer 17:21-22), and this is the reason the Jews correctly said it wasn't lawful to carry the bed on the sabbath. (JOhn 5:10) Jesus went on to say that his Father was working, and he himself was working in John 5:17. Immediately after Jesus admitted that he was working on the sabbath, John writes in the word of God that the reason the Jews wanted to kill him was for breaking the sabbath. This isn't the opinion of the Jews who opposed Jesus; this is the understanding of John, after looking at the context. My question to you, therefore, is this: was it lawful to carry the bed on the sabbath? And if so, how does that not contradict Jeremiah 17:21-22? Is not the bed a load?

 

[Karraster]

John 5:18 doesn't say the Jews wanted to kill Jesus because THEY THOUGHT he had broken the sabbath, rather, it says they wanted to kill him because HE HAD broken the sabbath, big difference. Also, the Jews who opposed Jesus were not making the comments in John 5:18. It was the apostle John under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit who made the claim that Jesus broke the sabbath! He is in a better position to know what happened than you do. You can quote many things Jesus said and so can I, but here is one of Jesus' closes disciples who lived in his day, and his interpretation must be the interpretation of the original Christians, and that interpretation was that Jesus was breaking the sabbath. Now, John 5:18 also says Jesus was equal with God, and that God was his Father, so if this passage only gives the incorrect opinion of the Jews as you claim, then you are denying the divinity of Christ. I don't believe some of this verse, believe all of it.

Just because it was the Jews who wanted to stone him for sabbath breaking you ASSUME he didn't break the sabbath. But they also wanted to stone him for claiming to be God, do you therefore believe Jesus wasn't God? In fact, Jesus gave good evidence in John 5 that he was indeed working and encouraging work on the sabbath. In John 5:8 Jesus commanded the man to take up his bed and walk. It was not lawful to carry a load on the sabbath (Jer 17:21-22), and this is the reason the Jews correctly said it wasn't lawful to carry the bed on the sabbath. (JOhn 5:10) Jesus went on to say that his Father was working, and he himself was working in John 5:17. Immediately after Jesus admitted that he was working on the sabbath, John writes in the word of God that the reason the Jews wanted to kill him was for breaking the sabbath. This isn't the opinion of the Jews who opposed Jesus; this is the understanding of John, after looking at the context. My question to you, therefore, is this: was it lawful to carry the bed on the sabbath? And if so, how does that not contradict Jeremiah 17:21-22? Is not the bed a load?

So you are siding with those who sought to kill Jesus? Just because His accusers said He broke the Sabbath, did He really? He made the Sabbath, it was Messiah who delivered the 10 commandments to Moses. This same Messiah went against all the laws man had added to God's Word, and it was mans law Jesus did not obey. There is a huge difference in man's laws and God's laws.

 

[Timeline]

Just because adam couldnt keep them does not mean you can not either ? I am sure after God spoke to them Adam and eve put it right with God by being obedient and more respectful to his word ? Unless you want to read all through genesis to see if they sinned again after that be my guest but i think it would be quite sad to do that. ?

The bible does not record any more sins of Adam or Eve. Their story is wrapped up before chapter five.

 

[Daley]

So you are siding with those who sought to kill Jesus? Just because His accusers said He broke the Sabbath, did He really? He made the Sabbath, it was Messiah who delivered the 10 commandments to Moses. This same Messiah went against all the laws man had added to God's Word, and it was mans law Jesus did not obey. There is a huge difference in man's laws and God's laws.

Is the law of Jeremiah 17:21-22 that no one should carry a load on the sabbath man's law, or God's law?

When Jesus told the man in John 5 to carry his bed on the sabbath, was he breaking this law?

I would appreciate your answer. For all your comments about siding with those who sought to kill Jesus, the evidence is clear from Jesus' own mouth in John 5:17 that he was working on the sabbath. So my last question for you is,

What was Jesus doing on the sabbath according to John 5:17 if not working? Was it God, or man, who said not to work on the sabbath in Exodus 20?

No, he was not breaking man's law, but God's. And he had the right to do so, because he made it, and had the right to change it.

 

[Timeline]

He had to get his message across Adam had been deceived and so had eve.

do you think if the lord had said here is a cup of fruit juice don't worry about just dont be decieved again do you think adam and eve would of listened to the lord hmm ,, ? I don't think so he told adam you will die, ? put your self in this situation for i minute give it some thought. would you want to be deceived again ? absolutely not.

1 Timothy 2:14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression