and there's the slam on the christian church. the a sign of a self appointed, yet false teacher. change? the change is wrought in/by God. not pastors.
Talking against the law is dangerous
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and there's the slam on the christian church. the a sign of a self appointed, yet false teacher. change? the change is wrought in/by God. not pastors.
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if you notice. the only threads this particular person posts in is his own threads about law.
Maybe if he would open his horizons to other subjects. He may see some difference, but he so consumned with shoving the law down everyone's throats, he cant see anything else.
Food for thought...
See this is what is WRONG! I know this is not addressed to anyone specifically but none of us are stupid - we know the INTENT.
None of us have said that we can be and live a sinFULL life . . . So again - are we bearing false witness?
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Food for thought...
See this is what is WRONG! I know this is not addressed to anyone specifically but none of us are stupid - we know the INTENT.
None of us have said that we can be and live a sinFULL life . . . So again - are we bearing false witness?
you must remember, These people are spoonfed in their churches what we believe, So we can tell them until we are blue in the face we do not teach nor believe it. They will never believe us, Because in order to do this, they would have to admit their teachers have told them a lie. (I Know, I have been there done this)
Pride will not allow it.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, said the LORD of host
Hebrews 10:38
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Eph2:8
…7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…
Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, i once was lost, but now i'm found, was blind, but now i
see.
If you are out there lost today, Jesus is waiting for you. He came not to "condemn", but to save. He said come to me all ye
who are heavy laden , and i will give you rest for your soul. Learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
Yes, all who are bound by sin, does not matter what, come to him, learn of him and he will pull you out , into his marvelous
light. I say call on him,he will restore to you all the years that have been lost, put him first in your life, seek him just as you
are, let him have your worries and troubles, give them to him.
Hebrews 10:38
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Eph2:8
…7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…
Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, i once was lost, but now i'm found, was blind, but now i
see.
If you are out there lost today, Jesus is waiting for you. He came not to "condemn", but to save. He said come to me all ye
who are heavy laden , and i will give you rest for your soul. Learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
Yes, all who are bound by sin, does not matter what, come to him, learn of him and he will pull you out , into his marvelous
light. I say call on him,he will restore to you all the years that have been lost, put him first in your life, seek him just as you
are, let him have your worries and troubles, give them to him.
Prove your point by quoting me. (Threads and posts) Let's see if the Righteous Judge will hear your words. He just might tell you to put up, or shut up. I'd like to see you validate your false accusations with some proof, not just hearsay.
Deuteronomy 5:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
I suppose that because you think that this law is against grace, gives you the right to accuse falsely without evidence because of how you perceive the New Covenant. Deuteronomy is the law, just in case you don't understand how to love your neighbor as yourself. The following verse is also the law. I present it for your edification, because if I were in your shoes, I'd want another to enlighten me of the truth before judgment day.
Leviticus 19:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
if you want to obey the law of Moses for any reason you need to circumcise in the flesh, this is absolutely clear in Paula writings.
You want to work around this saying that circumcision in the heart is a substitute, This was not the intention of Paul words. Is clear that circumcision of the heart means grace, and grace means live without the "law of moses".
To probe my point that the law has no effect for the gentiles, lets study the law of tithing!
Who the gentiles will pay tithing and who the Jew Christians will Pay tithing?
The gentiles will not be able to pay to the Levites!
and the Jew Christians will have to pay to the Levites.
So no one have to pay tithing to the christian church.
Are you able to show your ideas about this.
You want to work around this saying that circumcision in the heart is a substitute, This was not the intention of Paul words. Is clear that circumcision of the heart means grace, and grace means live without the "law of moses".
To probe my point that the law has no effect for the gentiles, lets study the law of tithing!
Who the gentiles will pay tithing and who the Jew Christians will Pay tithing?
The gentiles will not be able to pay to the Levites!
and the Jew Christians will have to pay to the Levites.
So no one have to pay tithing to the christian church.
Are you able to show your ideas about this.
Get a life man. We keep reading that over and over, and you know very will that isn't the point that anyone is trying to make. Are you going to refuse this law because Moses wrote what I'm quoting down? You don't even know that tithing has everything to do with the sustenance of the needy, supplied through the ministry of the elect. Jesus even paid His 3 year tithe, but of course you haven't studied enough to know that because you have rejected spiritual truth of the law.
I see nothing but a stiff neck in what you write.
Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
What in heavens name do you think Jesus' 3 year ministry had to do with tithing?
Deuteronomy 14:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.
James 1:26-27 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Get the drift?
To much words and Pride, but you have not addressed the issue about tithing, this law is very interesting, because is not only What to do but also How to do id.
You never asked me about tithing, you just gave an arbitrary statement. So what's the issue, or is it just something that you are trying to make an issue. I would suggest that you start your own thread about the issue of tithing. Did you come in here to converse about talking against the law, or are you wanting to make an issue of how wrong certain parts of the law are, even though a perfect and righteous God gave it, and He doesn't make mistakes? Talk to God about your heartburn then, He's the only one that can answer your misunderstandings.
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This is about the law, "Talking against the law is dangerous" .
What law?
"Is that Law = Moses law"?
Then My proposal is to study a particular law, which will us shown if the early Christians lived the law as we trying to teach today.
so please could you explain your Understanding of:
Who the gentiles will pay tithing and who the Jew Christians will Pay tithing?
The gentiles will not be able to pay to the Levites!
and the Jew Christians will have to pay to the Levites.
So no one had to pay tithing to the early christian church.
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Great verses Brother,
Some are just set on kindling fire....
Proverbs 26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.
If they don't like what's being said, why are they here? To kindle strife.....?
Debate or no debate, I seriously doubt that they even read the posts or the many scriptures that back up the study.
Proverbs 22:10 Drive out a scoffer, and strife will go out, and quarreling and abuse will cease.
I agree with "Notice how deceiving it can be when one does not post the whole passage, but leaves stuff out so we can not see context." so you can now fix your sig because you left out the most important part,,,,,let this be a learning experience for us all not a fight to show off who knows it all. Let all things be done in the spirit of love for our edification.
See post #728
Then let us begin to talk about tithing, starting with how Jesus tithed. If we cannot start with that, then the conversation is done before it starts. Understanding takes a spiritual mind that desires to learn, rather than a desire to converse in another format that only can see the physical, or carnal. When you can see this relation of a 3 year tithe, then post something. Until then, don't bother, cause we ain't gonna be able to edify each other.
You saying that because Jesus started His preaching at age 30 and preached for 3 years, it tithed his life.? OK good try. (But Jesus never claimed it was a tithe, this is your inference)
But we are talking about Moses LAW. and how a simple human christian Jew Farmer will pay his tithes, to Peter or the Temple of Jerusalem.
and how the Gentile will do ?
quote I have also discovered that there really is no such thing as “new” and “old” covenants, as we commonly hear in the Christian community, especially from those who like the idea of no responsibility on our part so much that they will fight tooth and nail against everything that so much as insinuates obligation on our part. As I have already said, they are different levels of a progressive restoration process. unquote
http://www.notmybattle.com/studies/Covenants Old - New - Renewed.pdf p 11
those are your words, aren't they?
This will answer your question. With spiritual understanding, this will speak volumes.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Jesus taught in parables. Tithing has much to do with God given assets. It has very little to do with money. So what do we give in tithes?
well that would silence a weak man. that's not me though. tithing is not new covenant doctrine. but you discovered something different, just like all twisters who try to gather disciples to themselves.
"I have also discovered that there really is no such thing as “new” and “old” covenants, as we commonly hear in the Christian community"
terrible. setting yourself in direct opposition to the one who died to bring in a new covenant.
Mark 12:41-44 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
[SUP]44 [/SUP]For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.