Dr. Charles Stanley

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posthuman

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I know this has been beat to death in another thread, but do you not require anything on your part for your salvation instead of "calling on the name of the Lord?"
nothing i can do of my own can possibly be worthy of God.

that doesn't mean i sit on my hands all day.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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No, the CHURCH or Bride of Christ, is the sum total of all True Believers of ALL TIME.

Both Old Testament saints and New Testament saints are those who have RECEIVED MESSIAH AS LORD.

They believed MESSIAH would come.
AND
We believe MESSIAH did come.

But is both cases that BELIEF, requires us to put our whole weight on what we claim to believe and TRUST HIM TO BE MASTER OF OUR LIVES. Anything less is not genuine BELIEF.
so we are not baptized into Christ?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Where is "baptist" church "mentioned in the bible?
and this makes him a false teacher??

Wow..


Where is the word catholic, Lutheran, Methodist, etc etc found?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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New scripture!! Israel was baptized into Moses!!! So that was what God and Moses was doing on that mountain! Shame on God.
You should study the bible more. Especially if you are going to attack someone.

1 Corinthians 10:2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#46
It is not found...
No, a baptist church is not found, But does that mean they are false teachers? it is the name of their church, not the name of their doctrine.
 
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MsLimpet

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No, a baptist church is not found, But does that mean they are false teachers? it is the name of their church, not the name of their doctrine.
Did Jesus approve of a false church or doctrine?
 

VCO

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And he does...

Charles Frazier Stanley (born September 25, 1932) is the senior pastor of First Baptist Church, a megachurch in northern Atlanta, Georgia. He is the founder and president of In Touch Ministries. Stanley also served two one-year terms as president of the Southern Baptist Convention from 1984 to 1986. Stanley has an evangelical, fundamentalist,[SUP][1][/SUP] dispensationalist[SUP][2][/SUP] theology.

Where in the bible does this mention this babble?

Evangelicalism simply means we believe that Christ's command to GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES, applies to ever true believer, not just the Pastor.

Matthew 28:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

Fundamentalism
does not mean what most want to infer that it means, it simply means we believe the Bible is ALL inspired by God and as such is the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
[SUP]17 [/SUP] so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] First of all, you should know this: No prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] because no prophecy ever came by the will of man; instead, men spoke from God as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Dispensationalism simple means that we believe we believe that GOD will spare us from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole earth. WHY? Because that is what HE promised, and we, as part of the Bride of Christ, are invited to the Wedding of the Lamb that will take place New Dwelling place HE has built for us and He has adorned that New Dwelling place like a bride, just like you would adorn your house if your daughter's Wedding was being held there.

Revelation 6:15-17 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the military commanders, the rich, the powerful, and every slave and free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] because the great day of Their wrath has come! And who is able to stand?”

1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 3:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] 'Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

John 14:2-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if not, I would have told you.
I am going away to prepare a place for you.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] If I go away and prepare a place for you, I will come back and receive you to Myself, so that where I am you may be also.
"I am going away to prepare a place for you."; comes right out of Jewish Wedding proposal from 2000 years ago. It is exactly what the Bridegroom would say to his Bride after she accepted his proposal. Yes they are called Bride and Bridegroom from the moment she accepted.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Therefore encourage one another with these words.

So where is that NEW DWELLING PLACE that HE is building for us? HE told us, IN HIS FATHER'S HOUSE, and that too is a Jewish Wedding Tradition.

Revelation 21:2-3 (ESV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God.


OH, and just so you know, here is the Doctrinal Statement of Beliefs, from Dr. Stanley's site:

What We Believe
 
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Alfonz6463

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Stanley happened to say something I needed to hear this morning since I was unable to attend service. You are correct, Satan is a liar. But, he knows scripture.
You didn't really answer my question, but that's okay.

On another note, I would agree that there is no "sinner's prayer" as such in the Bible. How, then, would you propose that one be saved? What in your estimation must a person do?
 

VCO

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It is not found...

Lady, have you ever thought that those words are not found in the Bible, ONLY because the Words did not exist when the Bible was written? Perhaps you should have bought GOD the biggest English Dictionary made the day you first believed?


Think about it:

Car is not in the Bible, so you had better not drive one.

Radio has to be of the devil, because the word is not in the Bible.

TV, heaven forbid, it has to be creating graven images, because the word is not in the Bible.

Better throw away your Computer, because word is not in the Bible.

Bound Bibles did not exist nor were mentioned in the Bible, better throw them away.

Oh NO, KJV, NKJV, NASB, NRSV, HCSB, NIV, ESV, nor any other English Bible versions were ever mentioned in the BIBLE, so you have to get rid of them all.

Oh, oh, Narthex is not in the Bible, so you had better burn every Church Narthex that exists.

The word American is not in the Bible so you had better renounce your citizenship.

Heaven forbid, I am a born and raised Red Neck country boy.

And good grief what do you think God thinks of Irishmen, after all, He never put the word in the BIBLE.

ETC., ETC., ETC.

Do you see the flaw in thinking that just because a word is not in the Bible, that in itself makes it wrong to use it?
 
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Lady, have you ever thought that those words are not found in the Bible, ONLY because the Words did not exist when the Bible was written? Perhaps you should have bought GOD the biggest English Dictionary made the day you first believed?


Think about it:

Car is not in the Bible, so you had better not drive one.

Radio has to be of the devil, because the word is not in the Bible.

TV, heaven forbid, it has to be creating graven images, because the word is not in the Bible.

Better throw away your Computer, because word is not in the Bible.

Bound Bibles did not exist nor were mentioned in the Bible, better throw them away.

Oh NO, KJV, NKJV, NASB, NRSV, HCSB, NIV, ESV, nor any other English Bible versions were ever mentioned in the BIBLE, so you have to get rid of them all.

Oh, oh, Narthex is not in the Bible, so you had better burn every Church Narthex that exists.

The word American is not in the Bible so you had better renounce your citizenship.

Heaven forbid, I am a born and raised Red Neck country boy.

And good grief what do you think God thinks of Irishmen, after all, He never put the word in the BIBLE.

ETC., ETC., ETC.

Do you see the flaw in thinking that just because a word is not in the Bible, that in itself makes it wrong to use it?
Lady? Hmm

In the Book of Revelation, the apostle John had seen certain visions that he was to record to give to the seven churches of Christ spread across Asia Minor.

In Revelation 22:18-19 he wrote,

“I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.”
In the very last book of the Bible, we read a warning against adding to or taking away from God’s Word. We see such warning found throughout the Bible. Are we heeding these warnings, which are specific commands that tell us not to add to or take away from God’s Word? We need to stay far away from such things.



In Deuteronomy 5:32 and Deuteronomy 17:11,17 we see that we are not to turn to the right or to the left. Joshua 1:7 teaches:


“Only be strong and very courageous, that you may observe to do according to all the law which Moses My servant commanded you; do not turn from it to the right hand or to the left, that you may prosper wherever you go.”
We are not to turn to the left or the right, but are instead to walk the straight and narrow path (Mt. 7:13-14).

A person can go too far to the right or the left. That is why we have to walk the narrow path. We must “walk in the light as He is in the light” (1 Jn. 1:7) so that we do not go off or add commands to God’s Word, and so that we do not “loose” God’s commands. We must make sure that we are not going to either the right or to the left. Ecclesiastes 3:14 says, “I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be add*ed to it, and nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.” The principle here is that we must not add to or take away from God’s Word.


In the New Testament, Paul writing to the church at Corinth, which had a lot of problems. There was a lot of division in the church in Corinth (1 Cor. 1). There were some people who wanted to follow the person who had baptized them. Paul told them not to do that. How can problems be resolved so that we can all be unified? In 1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul said that we are all to speak the same thing, be of the same mind, and be of the same judgment. Some people might think that is impossible. But in 1 Corinthians 4:6 Paul provided the way to carry out that command when he wrote, “Do not think or go beyond that which is written.” There was a problem in the church in Corinth (or the problem could have arisen) of people being puffed up.

Paul told them not to think or go beyond that which is written. People might say about something, “I know the Bible doesn’t say anything about it, but I don’t have a problem with it.” If someone has such an attitude, he is thinking or going beyond what is written. The Bible condemns that. We must not do such a thing. When do problems come into play? It is when people leave the Word of God, or add to it or take away from it. Paul says that we are not to go beyond what is written. If people would obey this command, it alone would clear up a lot of confusion that people have. This principle teaches us that we are not to add to or take away from the Word of God. Amen!
 
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paulsfam4

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I see him every Sunday online wont miss it! he teaches the word of God . and is a blessing to anyone who should hear him.
 
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MsLimpet

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I see him every Sunday online wont miss it! he teaches the word of God . and is a blessing to anyone who should hear him.
Compare what he said to the bible....once saved always saved.
 
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When Adam and Eve sinned, they covered them selves with fig leaves and that was mans way. God came along and said a better way, it was Gods way.

Today, we have a multitude of ways to get to heaven. Again, mans way.

The only way that will get us to heaven is a narrow road that few be there that find it. And it is called being "Born Again" which is the Death, Burial, Resurrection.

Jesus said that we must be born again to enter the kingdom.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The problem we have today is that the term "born again" has become a watered down by-word. It is sort of like the word "believe", as per believe on the lord and ye shall be saved. Everybody says they believe. Let's put that on the fire, shall we? There is rumored to be a man who walked a tight-rope across Niagara Falls as the crowed cheered him on. One day he got a wheel barrel out of his van and lined it up with the tight-rope, he asked the crowed; do you believe I can do this? They all replied yes with a great cheer. He then said hop in. Not one single person stepped forth.

Everyone today says they are born again. In fact many will walk you through a sinner's prayer and then say you are born again. While others will say you are born again the moment you accept Jesus as your personal saviour. Let's see what Jesus had to say about all this. Turn to John chapter three...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Born again is of water and spirit. And, without this we can not enter the kingdom. In fact, the book of Acts will cross reference this in chapter two...

[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38]38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Question: Why didn't Peter lead them through a sinner's prayer? Why didn't Peter say to accept Jesus as their personal saviour? Why didn't he say to simply "believe"? If there was ever a time to do all that, this certainly would have been it. Let's turn to the book of Matthew...

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
[25] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

If we are to take up our cross and follow Jesus we would have to do what he did. We would have to symbolize his death, burial, and resurrection. And, that is exactly what Peter said to do.

1. Repent = symbolic death
2. Be water baptized = symbolic burial
3. Receive Holy Spirit = symbolic resurrection

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

But wait, isn't doing all that actually a "work"? No. I'm not trying to "earn" my way into heaven, it is simply obeying God's word.

-Endtimes
 
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Are you saved? Are you sure you are saved? Have you heard the Word of God, believed in Jesus as the Son of God, confessed Him as your Savior, repented of your past life of sin, and been baptized for the forgiveness of your sins? If not, let me say to you that you have not been saved like the people in the New Testament were saved. Obey the gospel and become a Christian.
 

PennEd

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#58
When Adam and Eve sinned, they covered them selves with fig leaves and that was mans way. God came along and said a better way, it was Gods way.

Today, we have a multitude of ways to get to heaven. Again, mans way.

The only way that will get us to heaven is a narrow road that few be there that find it. And it is called being "Born Again" which is the Death, Burial, Resurrection.

Jesus said that we must be born again to enter the kingdom.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

The problem we have today is that the term "born again" has become a watered down by-word. It is sort of like the word "believe", as per believe on the lord and ye shall be saved. Everybody says they believe. Let's put that on the fire, shall we? There is rumored to be a man who walked a tight-rope across Niagara Falls as the crowed cheered him on. One day he got a wheel barrel out of his van and lined it up with the tight-rope, he asked the crowed; do you believe I can do this? They all replied yes with a great cheer. He then said hop in. Not one single person stepped forth.

Everyone today says they are born again. In fact many will walk you through a sinner's prayer and then say you are born again. While others will say you are born again the moment you accept Jesus as your personal saviour. Let's see what Jesus had to say about all this. Turn to John chapter three...

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
[4] Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[5] Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Born again is of water and spirit. And, without this we can not enter the kingdom. In fact, the book of Acts will cross reference this in chapter two...

[37] Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38]38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Question: Why didn't Peter lead them through a sinner's prayer? Why didn't Peter say to accept Jesus as their personal saviour? Why didn't he say to simply "believe"? If there was ever a time to do all that, this certainly would have been it. Let's turn to the book of Matthew...

Matthew 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
[25] For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

If we are to take up our cross and follow Jesus we would have to do what he did. We would have to symbolize his death, burial, and resurrection. And, that is exactly what Peter said to do.

1. Repent = symbolic death
2. Be water baptized = symbolic burial
3. Receive Holy Spirit = symbolic resurrection

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

But wait, isn't doing all that actually a "work"? No. I'm not trying to "earn" my way into heaven, it is simply obeying God's word.

-Endtimes
John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
SO WE MUST CLOSELY EXAMINE WHAT MOSES DID, AND WHY, AND WHAT IT MEANT.

The Israelites were sinning and complaining against God and Moses. God sent fiery serpents to bite the people which killed them because of their sin.The people went to Moses so he would pray to God to end it. Moses did and that's where we pick up the CURE:
Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.

ALL the people had to do was BELIEVE what Moses told them and RECEIVE life by merely looking at the CURE.
Romans 10:9 Is saying the exact same thing!
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED.

Why do you want to try and add to what JESUS said you had to do to attain eternal life?

 
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John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
SO WE MUST CLOSELY EXAMINE WHAT MOSES DID, AND WHY, AND WHAT IT MEANT.

The Israelites were sinning and complaining against God and Moses. God sent fiery serpents to bite the people which killed them because of their sin.The people went to Moses so he would pray to God to end it. Moses did and that's where we pick up the CURE:
Numbers 21:9
And Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on the standard; and it came about, that if a serpent bit any man, when he looked to the bronze serpent, he lived.

ALL the people had to do was BELIEVE what Moses told them and RECEIVE life by merely looking at the CURE.
Romans 10:9 Is saying the exact same thing!
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED.

Why do you want to try and add to what JESUS said you had to do to attain eternal life?

Paul is quoting the sentiment of Deuteronomy chapter 30 in Romans 10:9...

Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deu 30:11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
Deu 30:12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
Deu 30:14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.
Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;


Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

When Paul is speaking about confession and belief it is related to the heart as opposed to a mere mental assertion or outward act. This is why Paul makes statements like this...

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

Authentic confession and belief in Paul's mind involves the turning from rebellion to obedience. Hence deeds actually prove repentance (Act 26:20).


Preachers like Charles Stanley teach the repentance/conversion/new birth within the context of a "mental assertion being made" and an "abstract judicial reprieve" being granted and thus those whom are born again need not have "deeds that prove repentance" because in his mind the deeds is something that takes place later on over a period of time and are therefore not actually necessary (as it relates directly to redemption).

The deception here is how salvation eliminates the change of heart described in the Bible where the service of evil ceases. A pure heart is equivalent to loving God with all one's heart soul and mind and loving one's neighbour as oneself. Thus a redeemed individual does not do the right thing due to rules and regulations but rather due to the manifestation of the Spirit of God within (which is no longer being subdued by a rebellious will).
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes

Are you sure you are saved?
Yes

Have you heard the Word of God, believed in Jesus as the Son of God, confessed Him as your Savior, repented of your past life of sin,

I repented of my past present and future sin (knowing I could not stop sin.


and been baptized for the forgiveness of your sins?
I was baptized into Christ by God himself.

I was baptized in water about 3 months later


If not, let me say to you that you have not been saved like the people in the New Testament were saved. Obey the gospel and become a Christian.
I was saved the same way Adam, Noah, Abraham Moses, David. Samuel, Ezekiel, Daniel, Matthew mark luke and john, Paul, Peter. etc etc etc.

Sounds like you were saved different than they were. How?

ps.

I KNOW I have eternal life
I know I will never die
I KNOW I will be raised by CHrist
I KNOW he will never leave nor forsake me
I KNOW He who began a work in me 32 years agao will complete it until the day of CHrist.
I KNOW I am complete in him, while at the same time ever learning, every growing, and every more tankful and gatefull for the price he paid for my sin.