Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

[john832]

My wife had an interesting revelation today while we were cleaning out some cabinets.

One reason God may have had His people go without yeast for a week was for health reasons. Many people get a build up of yeast in their bodies, and it could be good to have a time where that is removed. Additionally, the Israelites couldn't just go to the store when the 7 days were up and pick up new yeast. It likely took quite awhile for any yeast to form again. Unleavened Bread could have been a natural time of physical cleansing intended by God.

It's more of a nutritional insight, but interesting nonetheless.

God's ways work for our good on so many levels we do not comprehend...

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Deu 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

 

[john832]

would y'all eat a grasshopper?

Well before I'd eat a pig or a catfish.

 

[john832]

In the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy; the Lord is addressing His people Israel.

The Children of Israel were to keep the feasts of the LORD.

Christians are not commanded to keep the Jewish Feasts.

And if one wants to keep the Jewish Feasts; then they must go to Jerusalem. Since Jerusalem is the place where God chose to place His Name (Deut. 16:2,6,7,11,15,16) and (2 Chron. 30:1,2,3,5,11,13,14,21,26).

And God has told you personally where He has placed His name today?

 

[KohenMatt]

No Karraster,

Chosen is right that the Lord did tell them that three of the feasts MUST be held at the place of God's choosing

Deuteronomy 16



16 Observe the month of Aviv and celebrate the Passover of the Lord your God, because in the month of Aviv he brought you out of Egypt by night. 2 Sacrifice as the Passover to the Lord your God an animal from your flock or herd at the place the Lord will choose as a dwelling for his Name. 3 Do not eat it with bread made with yeast, but for seven days eat unleavened bread, the bread of affliction, because you left Egypt in haste—so that all the days of your life you may remember the time of your departure from Egypt. 4 Let no yeast be found in your possession in all your land for seven days. Do not let any of the meat you sacrifice on the evening of the first day remain until morning.
5 You must not sacrifice the Passover in any town the Lord your God gives you 6 except in the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name. There you must sacrifice the Passover in the evening, when the sun goes down, on the anniversary[a] of your departure from Egypt. 7 Roast it and eat it at the place the Lord your God will choose. Then in the morning return to your tents. 8 For six days eat unleavened bread and on the seventh day hold an assembly to the Lord your God and do no work.
The Festival of Weeks

9 Count off seven weeks from the time you begin to put the sickle to the standing grain. 10 Then celebrate the Festival of Weeks to the Lord your God by giving a freewill offering in proportion to the blessings the Lord your God has given you. 11 And rejoice before the Lord your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name—you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, the Levites in your towns, and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows living among you. 12 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt, and follow carefully these decrees.


13 Celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles for seven days after you have gathered the produce of your threshing floor and your winepress. 14 Be joyful at your festival—you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, and the Levites, the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns.15 For seven days celebrate the festival to the Lord your God at the place the Lord will choose. For the Lordyour God will bless you in all your harvest and in all the work of your hands, and your joy will be complete.
16 Three times a year all your men must appear before the Lord your God at the place he will choose: at the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the Festival of Weeks and the Festival of Tabernacles. No one should appear before the Lord empty-handed: 17 Each of you must bring a gift in proportion to the way the Lord your God has blessed you.

God repeats over and over in that passage that these are to be done ONLY at the place of God's choosing. God does NOT say they can do them any where else.

Where is God's dwelling place today?

 

[KohenMatt]

In the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy; the Lord is addressing His people Israel.

The Children of Israel were to keep the feasts of the LORD.

Christians are not commanded to keep the Jewish Feasts.

And if one wants to keep the Jewish Feasts; then they must go to Jerusalem. Since Jerusalem is the place where God chose to place His Name (Deut. 16:2,6,7,11,15,16) and (2 Chron. 30:1,2,3,5,11,13,14,21,26).

Where is God's dwelling place today?

 

[Vaudeville]

Why don't you just explain to us then what Christ meant when He said this?

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Do those who disregard and break the Laws intentionally have eternal life?

1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

But to answer your post, please show me where I have ever said that keeping the Law saves us. What I have said is that thowse who live a life of disregard for the Law do not receive eternal life. This is what Christ said...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Now please explain to us how we are no longer obliged to keep the Commandments. Please explain why Mat 19:17 and Rev 22:14 no longer apply.

Hmmm, show me a post where I have said that I rely on works to save me. In fact, put up or shut up.

done. so are all who rely on works of the law for salvation under a curse or not? don't bother not answering again.

 

[Vaudeville]

why don't you just go out and breadk the sixth Commandment, or the seventh Dommandment or even the eighth Commandment and then come back here and tell us how God has blessed you for killing, committing adultery and stealing.

We would like to see how this works out for you.

how does it it work out for those who rely on works of the law?

Romans 3
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

 

[john832]

done. so are all who rely on works of the law for salvation under a curse or not? don't bother not answering again.

Well since I don't rely on works of the Law for salvation, I can't answer.

 

[Vaudeville]

Well since I don't rely on works of the Law for salvation, I can't answer.

must you keep the sabbath (mosaic law) to be saved? must i repost your answer (yes?). i thought you were a more honest false teacher than the others.

 

[Selihah]

must you keep the sabbath (mosaic law) to be saved? must i repost your answer (yes?). i thought you were a more honest false teacher than the others.

Why ask john832? Here is your answer.

"See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command you this day to love Yehovah your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply; and Yehovah your God shall bless you in the land which you are entering to possess. But if your heart turns away, so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I announce to you this day, that you shall surely perish, and that you shall not prolong your days upon the land, to which you are going over the Jordan, to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live;

Its a choice always has been, always will be. What do you choose to do? Some people say they live in grace, I say it's open rebellion.

 

[Vaudeville]

Why ask john832? Here is your answer.

"See, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil; In that I command you this day to love Yehovah your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that you may live and multiply; and Yehovah your God shall bless you in the land which you are entering to possess. But if your heart turns away, so that you will not hear, but shall be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I announce to you this day, that you shall surely perish, and that you shall not prolong your days upon the land, to which you are going over the Jordan, to enter and possess. I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your seed may live;

Its a choice always has been, always will be. What do you choose to do? Some people say they live in grace, I say it's open rebellion.

since you are not a christian (i assume you are jewish), your answer appears to work for you. the worship of other gods i will assume you understand to be Jesus Christ. seek the gospel (grace). until then, talk to john832 about bread crumbs and months and days.

 

[Selihah]

since you are not a christian (i assume you are jewish), your answer appears to work for you. the worship of other gods i will assume you understand to be Jesus Christ. seek the gospel (grace). until then, talk to john832 about bread crumbs and months and days.

Jewish? Prussian and Norweigian. My answer? Those are not my words, therefore your arguement is not with me. Grace? My thoughts on that is though a righteous man may stumble from Yehovah's ways, he gets back up and seeks forgiveness, God forgives him that is grace. A wicked man is one who forsakes the commandments and cares little for it and follows another doctrine that is not grace that is open rebellion.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Where is God's dwelling place today?

Today, God's dwelling place is in the body of every born again believer.

Kohen, I see what you are trying to get at; but that does not work.

Our (born again believer's) bodies are not Jerusalem.

 

[Vaudeville]

Jewish? Prussian and Norweigian. My answer? Those are not my words, therefore your arguement is not with me. Grace? My thoughts on that is though a righteous man may stumble from Yehovah's ways, he gets back up and seeks forgiveness, God forgives him that is grace. A wicked man is one who forsakes the commandments and cares little for it and follows another doctrine that is not grace that is open rebellion.

is Jesus Christ the lord? if your answer is no, you don't understand nor follow any commandments.

 

[john832]

must you keep the sabbath (mosaic law) to be saved? must i repost your answer (yes?). i thought you were a more honest false teacher than the others.

I will save you the trouble and also show what it means to tell a lie by telling a HALF-TRUTH...

Well, sure it does...

WE are sealed by the Holy Spirit...

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

And who is given the Holy Spirit?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Those who OBEY God...

Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Somehow, this one never gets addressed by the Grace only crowd. Jesus Christ plainly says to enter into life, "Keep the Commandments".

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Now there are some who will tell you that Commandments keeping is a horrible thing, but John, the Apostle Jesus loved says different.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

What is the Commandment we have heard from the beginning? That Love is walking in His Commandments.

The church does...

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

As does everyone given the right to the Tree of Life...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

But Paul says... Well let's see what Paul really says...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid...

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

What needs to be done away with? The Law? Again, Rom 7:14, last part...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Notice this does not say free from the Law, it says free from sin.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Two things to notice...

1) We mortify the deeds of the body, not the Law

2) We do this through the Spirit and who receives the Spirit?

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Does obedience matter?

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

The Boss seems to think so.

This is the whole story. Carefully note that I do not say that one must keep the Sabbath to be saved. What I say is what Jesus Christ said, one must keep the Commandments to be saved.

Just for fun, is lying a sin? Regardless of whether you think the Commandments are in force, is lying a sin?

Now, is telling a half-truth to mislead someone to believe something that is not true a lie?

What I have said, I will say to all today and will be saying this forever is that disobedience to God's Commandments brings death. Obedience is necessary to be given the gift of eternal life.

Now, again, please give us some meaningful exegesis on this scripture...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

After you have done this, you may go back to accusing the brethren.

 

[john832]

Today, God's dwelling place is in the body of every born again believer.Kohen, I see what you are trying to get at; but that does not work. Our (born again believer's) bodies are not Jerusalem.

Have you not read this?Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. God's presence left the Temple and that House became desolate.

 

[Spokenpassage]

you mean the satanic false teacher Michael Rood? though not surprised you would endorse Rood, i hope everybody at Spokenpassage's church demands satan not be invited to speak from a christian pulpit.

Spokenpassage, my first concern for you isn't Michael Rood, but why your church would be hosting him at all.
Field Guide: Michael John Rood overview

a good lesson on this cult, if one isn't already gone.

I have heard Michael Roods teachings, I don't agree with him either. I remember once he tried to use a Hebrew New testament to explain what was written in Greek as if the Koine Greek is wrong or something. I don't buy into that.

I'm not sure why my church is inviting them, but it's not him. A couple Samuel and Rebekah Rood. Apparently they want to talk about "Christ is the Passover." I don't think Jews for Jesus is the same as claimed rabbi rood...

 

[john832]

is Jesus Christ the lord? if your answer is no, you don't understand nor follow any commandments.

Apparently, neither do you.

 

[john832]

I have heard Michael Roods teachings, I don't agree with him either. I remember once he tried to use a Hebrew New testament to explain what was written in Greek as if the Koine Greek is wrong or something. I don't buy into that.

I'm not sure why my church is inviting them, but it's not him. A couple Samuel and Rebekah Rood. Apparently they want to talk about "Christ is the Passover." I don't think Jews for Jesus is the same as claimed rabbi rood...

I have not read Michael Rood so I cannot comment one way or the other.

 

[Selihah]

is Jesus Christ the lord? if your answer is no, you don't understand nor follow any commandments.

Is Jesus the lord? No, not when I read it. In fact I don't find anyplace where it says someone named Jesus is Lord. However I DO find where it says the one and only true God and savior Yehovah is Lord.

הנה אדני יהוה בחזק יבוא וזרעו משלה לו הנה שכרו אתו ופעלתו לפניו:

Behold, the Lord Yehovah will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him; behold, his reward is with him, and his hire before him.

Don't you think if Jesus was lord it would perhaps be found somewhere in the Torah, Prophets or the Writings?