Passover/Unleavened Countdown . . .For Those Who Celebrate Them

[Vaudeville]

You make a good point.

Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

Christ, the Word, the I AM, has been consistent from before time began to this present day and will be forever into the future...

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

He does not institute Laws, have people put to death for disobeying them and then say "Oops, my bad, let's just forget all this and do something else". Christ does not make mistakes and have to come up with "salvage" plans. The Father and Christ began this plan from before time began and have continued in it without deviation.

so where's the temple? when was the last time you had someone in your town stoned to death for breaking the sabbath? profaning the sabbath involved not killing the offenders.

post all the passages where Jesus says to stone people to death. you clearly do not understand the stoning and putting to death the schoolmaster demanded - to teach about the seriousness of sin, so that when the Lamb came the people would understand how GOOD God is to have provided the perfect sacrifice himself, and that the throne of grace was open, the way to the mediator of a better covenant. moses no longer a mediator. are these not changes? serious ones?

is this time since the cross without the death penalty for breaking mosaic covenant law people being apostates, john? are we supposed to be killing people who commit adultery?

 

[SarahM777]

Scripture does NOT say Jerusalem then, now and forever.

When the Feasts were given to Israel, it was 40+ years before they could go to Jerusalem to keep them. The Temple was not built for over 600 years after the Exodus and here is another little problem...

Jdg 20:26 Then all the children of Israel, and all the people, went up, and came unto the house of God, and wept, and sat there before the LORD, and fasted that day until even, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.
Jdg 20:27 And the children of Israel enquired of the LORD, (for the ark of the covenant of God was there in those days,

At the time of the Judges, the House of God, where the Ark resided, was not in Jerusalem, but rather Shiloh.

God placed His name on more than one place in history.

So then why didn't Jesus go to Shiloh which is HALF the distance from Nazareth?

 

[Vaudeville]

danschance just commented on another thread about how the Jews killed Jesus and that God hadn't counted on that....Wow, just wow..It's why there is so much arguing on this site! Not only do we all disagree about scripture, but I mean some really really disagree about scripture

didn't you say the jews didn't kill Jesus, in direct contradiction to what God said?

1 Thessalonians 2
14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God in Judea which are in Christ Jesus; for ye also have suffered like things from your own countrymen, even as they have from the Jews,
15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us. They please not God and are contrary to all men,
16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles, that they might be saved, thus heaping up their sins always. But the wrath has come upon them to the uttermost!

I had to say, I knew it's the ones who think Old Testament is fulfilled that get so riled up about the LORD's Feasts, and instructions. come to find out, not all believe in the same God. Well at least, my God is the Almighty Creator and He knows everything before it happens, and beyond.

more tricks with words. is the old covenant, even the psalms fulfilled by Jesus himself or not? what does Jesus say?

Luke 24
44Now He said to them, "These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled."Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures

Romans 10
10 Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel[a] is that they may be saved.2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.”

you think you know moses. what did moses mean “The man who does those things shall live by them.”?

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[e] 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[f] 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[g]

your religious postering places you under a curse.

 

[Vaudeville]

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. [SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. [SUP]25 [/SUP]The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.

God wants us to use reason. All nations can't go to Jerusalem for the Feasts. That's where spirit and truth come in handy.

we are to use reason? we are to reason that all nations can't go to jerusalem for the feasts so spirit and truth come in handy so you can pretend to keep your perversion of the mosaic law wherever you live? you will want to grasp before long that as you continue to harp that the law is in full force (and it is for those who are under it, like yourself), you must keep all of it. or are you now saying God has changed and loves it that you 'keep' some of the mosaic covenant (which you don't)?

what part of all of it don't you get?

 

[Vaudeville]

All well and good but where is the Temple (Tabernacle) and the Priesthood we are to go to? Where are we to worship?

is all that on hold for now and will be rebuilt at some future time, and so in the meantime you are keeping the old covenant? is this the foundation of your belief? paul established churches, with instruction for the new covenant. did he act alone and against God's wishes?

 

[KohenMatt]

So then why didn't Jesus go to Shiloh which is HALF the distance from Nazareth?

No one is saying that Jerusalem wasn't a place that God chose to place his name, just that it wasn't the only place.

Perhaps more interesting, though. Did God place His name in Jerusalem so that Jesus had to go there, or....
was Jesus the place where God chose to place His name?

 

[KohenMatt]

is all that on hold for now and will be rebuilt at some future time, and so in the meantime you are keeping the old covenant? is this the foundation of your belief? paul established churches, with instruction for the new covenant. did he act alone and against God's wishes?

He's implying that the Temple has already been "rebuilt", and Priesthood has already been "re-established".

 

[Vaudeville]

He's implying that the Temple has already been "rebuilt", and Priesthood has already been "re-established".

let him speak.

 

[Vaudeville]

Here is the problem many have, they think the God of the Old Testament was a harsh, unforgiving God called the Father, that gave a lot of strict Laws that were not good for people and Jesus came to change all that and give us love.

Jesus Christ is the God of hte Old Testament. He is the Creator, the great I AM, the LORD (Eternal), the One who gave man His Laws so that...

Deu 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

But Jesus Christ is also a God of Law and Justice.

do you keep all the commandments? not obeying this commandment makes you a law-breaker.

Leviticus 24
16 And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.

 

[Vaudeville]

do you keep all the commandments? not obeying this commandment makes you a law-breaker.

Leviticus 24
16 And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.

john832, where does Jesus tell the church to stone blasphemers to death? when you go to the throne of grace (if you do) and seek forgiveness for your sins, do you ask him to forgive you for not putting blasphemers to death?

 

[SarahM777]

No one is saying that Jerusalem wasn't a place that God chose to place his name, just that it wasn't the only place.

Perhaps more interesting, though. Did God place His name in Jerusalem so that Jesus had to go there, or....
was Jesus the place where God chose to place His name?

OK Let me rephrase the question. If Jerusalem was NOT the only place where they could go,then why did Mary and Joseph and their relatives bring little children to Jerusalem if there were places closer that would have been acceptable to God? Why would parents bring little children on a 180 ++ mile round trip by foot if God had other places that were acceptable? (Why would they do that???)

 

[KohenMatt]

OK Let me rephrase the question. If Jerusalem was NOT the only place where they could go,then why did Mary and Joseph and their relatives bring little children to Jerusalem if there were places closer that would have been acceptable to God? Why would parents bring little children on a 180 ++ mile round trip by foot if God had other places that were acceptable? (Why would they do that???)

You would have to ask them that. Just because a place was far didn't mean they couldn't go there.

The Scripture says,

Deuteronomy 14:24
"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you,"

Why do some people today travel long distances to go to church? Because God wants them there.
Why do some people today travel short distances to go to church? Because God wants them there.
Why did Mary and Joseph go to Jerusalem? Because God wanted them there.

 

[SarahM777]

You would have to ask them that. Just because a place was far didn't mean they couldn't go there.

The Scripture says,

Deuteronomy 14:24
"If the distance is so great for you that you are not able to bring the tithe, since the place where the Lord your God chooses to set His name is too far away from you when the Lord your God blesses you,"

Why do some people today travel long distances to go to church? Because God wants them there.
Why do some people today travel short distances to go to church? Because God wants them there.
Why did Mary and Joseph go to Jerusalem? Because God wanted them there.

You are FORCING that verse to say something it DOES NOT SAY. What it does say in context

Deuteronomy 14

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lordyour God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere theLord your God always.24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

He is talking about CARRYING the tithe. IT DOES NOT SAY THEY CAN GO ANY PLACE THEY CHOOSE. There is a specific REASON why they were to go to JERUSALEM. And if you actually read the scriptures it becomes quite clear WHY they were to go to Jerusalem and NOT somewhere else. It is within that verse why they are to go to JERUSALEM.

 

[john832]

do you keep all the commandments? not obeying this commandment makes you a law-breaker.

Leviticus 24
16 And whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall certainly stone him, the stranger as well as him who is born in the land. When he blasphemes the name of the Lord, he shall be put to death.

You have lifted one passage out of context. Yes the congregation stoned those guilty of capital offenses but first they were taken before the Priests, which were the duly constituted government of Israel. Their guilt had to be determined by at least two eyewitnesses (today, in America, we do not convict people of capital crimes on circumstantial evidence or hearsay). Then they were taken out and stoned under the auspices of the duly constituted government, the Priesthood.

 

[john832]

OK Let me rephrase the question. If Jerusalem was NOT the only place where they could go,then why did Mary and Joseph and their relatives bring little children to Jerusalem if there were places closer that would have been acceptable to God? Why would parents bring little children on a 180 ++ mile round trip by foot if God had other places that were acceptable? (Why would they do that???)

I find it very interesting that you are condemning a practice that God Almighty established in the Old Testament. My suggestion is that you go before Him and tell Him what a terrible mistake He made and how you can help Him fix it.

 

[john832]

You are FORCING that verse to say something it DOES NOT SAY. What it does say in context

Deuteronomy 14

22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the Lordyour God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere theLord your God always.24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the Lord your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the Lord will choose to put his Name is so far away),25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the Lord your God will choose.26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.

He is talking about CARRYING the tithe. IT DOES NOT SAY THEY CAN GO ANY PLACE THEY CHOOSE. There is a specific REASON why they were to go to JERUSALEM. And if you actually read the scriptures it becomes quite clear WHY they were to go to Jerusalem and NOT somewhere else. It is within that verse why they are to go to JERUSALEM.

Well, the scripture NOWHERE says that Jerusalem was THE ONLY place God placed His name. YOU are insisting this and you are the one forcing this.

 

[john832]

john832, where does Jesus tell the church to stone blasphemers to death? when you go to the throne of grace (if you do) and seek forgiveness for your sins, do you ask him to forgive you for not putting blasphemers to death?

Having reviewed many of your comments here, all I see are divisive and accusatory posts. I really have no interest in wasting time on this kind of spirit.

 

[SarahM777]

Well, the scripture NOWHERE says that Jerusalem was THE ONLY place God placed His name. YOU are insisting this and you are the one forcing this.

I did not say it was the only place He placed His name,there is a reason WHY Jerusalem ended up being the place WHERE they were to go. And it wouldn't be so bad but if you actually read your Bible the Lord TELLS THEM that Jerusalem is the place.

 

[Vaudeville]

Having reviewed many of your comments here, all I see are divisive and accusatory posts. I really have no interest in wasting time on this kind of spirit.

you mean a spirit that resists the perversion of the new covenant, which is solely the working of God in man?

2 Corinthians 5
12 For we do not commend ourselves again to you, but give you opportunity to boast on our behalf, that you may have an answer for those who boast in appearance and not in heart.13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; or if we are of sound mind, it is for you.14 For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died; 15 and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.

16 Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. 18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

 

[john832]

I did not say it was the only place He placed His name,there is a reason WHY Jerusalem ended up being the place WHERE they were to go. And it wouldn't be so bad but if you actually read your Bible the Lord TELLS THEM that Jerusalem is the place.

Could you please show me where Jerusalem is the place?