Does Leviticus Say Masturbation is Okay?

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DavidLOVESsnow

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So I wont lie, my viewpoint on this was that it was bad. However, I came upon this verse again. I used to see it differently [we're talking a year ago when I first started reading the Bible]. However, after reading it, I noticed something:

[h=3]Leviticus 15:16-18[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

If you read it, it differentiates semen going out from him and semen being on his clothing. Also, semen being on his wife. This makes me think that either it is okay for people to do sexual things besides just straight intercourse. So, what do you think? Does this make masturbation okay?

Personally, I always thought Sodomy = Masturbation, Oral sex, etc. Now I am curious. So please, write your responses I am curious as to everyone's perspective.

- David

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Im studying for my finals tomorrow so yea, I might not respond super fast .
 
breno785au

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Hmmm lol..your studying for your finals and your reading masturbation scriptures. Keep whats in the marriage bed, in the marriage bed :)
 
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breno785au said:
Hmmm lol..your studying for your finals and your reading masturbation scriptures. Keep whats in the marriage bed, in the marriage bed :)
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Lol >__> so is it ok? >__> I am on a study break, and this issue has always plagued me <__<
 
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You possibly should have posted this on your previous thread so that everyone has the proper context of your situation, but since you've titled the thread as such I feel it my duty to respond so that all of the teenagers that see this title and wonder about this get the answer as it pertains to them.

If you are not married masturbation is always sinful because it is inherently lustful, and this lust cannot be for your spouse, since you do not have one.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way... I have nothing to say on the topic. You should probably make your case more explicit so people know the context you are referring to.
 
Nautilus

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I'm more interested in where such an odd view on sexual activities within marriage originated from. learning that could lead to a much easier time of solving the problems/questions you are having in total rather than one point at a time. I don't want to be mean but your views on sexuality seem extremely puritanical and old-fashioned.
 
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The issue isn't masturbation, per se, it is was you are thinking and lusting about during masturbation.
 
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Nautilus said:
I'm more interested in where such an odd view on sexual activities within marriage originated from. learning that could lead to a much easier time of solving the problems/questions you are having in total rather than one point at a time. I don't want to be mean but your views on sexuality seem extremely puritanical and old-fashioned.
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Im just careful. I dont want to go to hell, so im a bit paranoid on everything :D
 
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Yeah but God isn't like that, you aren't going to be doomed to eternal torment because your wife helped out manually rather than full-on intercourse. You aren't going to hell if your wife wears lingerie. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that 99.9% of your sexual hold-ups at this point in your life aren't going to get you condemned. There is a lot more allowed in marriage than what some sects of christianity teach.
 
breno785au

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So your married? Maaate, sort it out between yourselves :) Maybe go read song of solomon hehe..Do what fancies, so long its only between you and your wife.
 
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In response to Nautilus' post, I just have to say: "Less Christian sects, more Christian sex!"
 
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Nautilus said:
I'm more interested in where such an odd view on sexual activities within marriage originated from. learning that could lead to a much easier time of solving the problems/questions you are having in total rather than one point at a time. I don't want to be mean but your views on sexuality seem extremely puritanical and old-fashioned.
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As I've stated, I don't have anything to say about the topic itself, but you mentioned that his views seem "old-fashioned" and my question is, why do you think it is that the view of sexuality was more strict in the past? I mean, in ancient times, if you look in specific places, people have been just as sexually liberal as our modern society, but then there were times where the view became more strict. It isn't as though these liberal ideas were never thought of, or never observed, they had been, but they were denied. I can't agree that the old-fashion view of sex was formed in ignorance about sexual things; these things have always interested man, and it seems that man would have to have quite a conviction coming from somewhere to limit himself in any way. I suppose the idea is that these strict ideas about sex came from tradition, but someone, or some group of people, had to start the tradition. I suppose ultimately my question is this: For what reason did they decide to become strict about sex?
 
DavidLOVESsnow

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Animus said:
As I've stated, I don't have anything to say about the topic itself, but you mentioned that his views seem "old-fashioned" and my question is, why do you think it is that the view of sexuality was more strict in the past? I mean, in ancient times, if you look in specific places, people have been just as sexually liberal as our modern society, but then there were times where the view became more strict. It isn't as though these liberal ideas were never thought of, or never observed, they had been, but they were denied. I can't agree that the old-fashion view of sex was formed in ignorance about sexual things; these things have always interested man, and it seems that man would have to have quite a conviction coming from somewhere to limit himself in any way. I suppose the idea is that these strict ideas about sex came from tradition, but someone, or some group of people, had to start the tradition. I suppose ultimately my question is this: For what reason did they decide to become strict about sex?
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What I wonder is, what if this is how it is supposed to be? What if this is how God wanted us to be, and we by doing more liberal so to speak sexual things, are comitting things that the people in sodom and gomorrah had comitted?

Its through this logic that I worry.
 
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Animus said:
As I've stated, I don't have anything to say about the topic itself, but you mentioned that his views seem "old-fashioned" and my question is, why do you think it is that the view of sexuality was more strict in the past? I mean, in ancient times, if you look in specific places, people have been just as sexually liberal as our modern society, but then there were times where the view became more strict. It isn't as though these liberal ideas were never thought of, or never observed, they had been, but they were denied. I can't agree that the old-fashion view of sex was formed in ignorance about sexual things; these things have always interested man, and it seems that man would have to have quite a conviction coming from somewhere to limit himself in any way. I suppose the idea is that these strict ideas about sex came from tradition, but someone, or some group of people, had to start the tradition. I suppose ultimately my question is this: For what reason did they decide to become strict about sex?
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My suggestion is that these strict ideas came from scripture.
What happened to change people's ideas on sex in Ancient Rome? Christianity became the major religion.
 
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DavidLOVESsnow said:
What I wonder is, what if this is how it is supposed to be? What if this is how God wanted us to be, and we by doing more liberal so to speak sexual things, are comitting things that the people in sodom and gomorrah had comitted?

Its through this logic that I worry.
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Did you look into what Mark Driscoll said about this? I've never really heard his stance, but here is a sermon that I am assuming will touch on it Pastor Mark Driscoll - Song of Solomon - 01 - The Peasant Princess - Let Him Kiss Me - YouTube A lot of people disagree with him, but at least if you look into what he says you can see where the biblical basis is and decide if you think it is valid for yourself.
 
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Animus said:
Did you look into what Mark Driscoll said about this? I've never really heard his stance, but here is a sermon that I am assuming will touch on it Pastor Mark Driscoll - Song of Solomon - 01 - The Peasant Princess - Let Him Kiss Me - YouTube A lot of people disagree with him, but at least if you look into what he says you can see where the biblical basis is and decide if you think it is valid for yourself.
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I look into it, but I wont lie to you. I've done research on this guy, and many have shown how he preaches improper scripture. However, I will check it out regardless.
 
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breno785au said:
Hmmm lol..your studying for your finals and your reading masturbation scriptures. Keep whats in the marriage bed, in the marriage bed :)
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that didn't answer his doubt,...
lame jokes to questions like this shows your fear in avoiding answering to the question...(usually when one becomes aware of their own deeds)
Don't eat me now....:)
i wonder why elders hate to answer to such delicate matters(don't turn that into another joke)..
Is it because of their conscience pricking them?
 
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I look into it, but I wont lie to you. I've done research on this guy, and many have shown how he preaches improper scripture. However, I will check it out regardless.
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Well I think that he probably makes the best case for it that you will find, so if you don't find his case valid you probably have your answer about the issue at hand.
 
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ji said:
that didn't answer his doubt,...
lame jokes to questions like this shows your fear in avoiding answering to the question...(usually when one becomes aware of their own deeds)
Don't eat me now....:)
i wonder why elders hate to answer to such delicate matters(don't turn that into another joke)..
Is it because of their conscience pricking them?
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Hmmm..interesting interpretation of my post. Generally with any topic im reluctant to tell people what is right and wrong, I like to point people in the direction so that they can discover the answer themselves.
Also, on a public forum this is a touchy subject. Ive seen people get offended over such topics but anyway, we shouldn't shy away from it and as for me..I love foreplay, if my conscience was pricking me, I dont think id be able to get it up. OP, ravish your wife, fulfill her desires in love. Sex is a gift...You happy now? :)
 
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DavidLOVESsnow said:
What I wonder is, what if this is how it is supposed to be? What if this is how God wanted us to be, and we by doing more liberal so to speak sexual things, are comitting things that the people in sodom and gomorrah had comitted?

Its through this logic that I worry.
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you didn't guess there..you just confronted truth..
Apart from straight sexual intercourse,orgy activities are abomination...

Making Love is not like behaving as animals..think you get it.
That's exactly what sodomry means..(homosexuality was another prob they had)
Holy Scripture is against it..

note:- i didn't use some direct words to describe here,because it will affect the mind of people...
But i tell you for sure,God sees your craving to be Holy like Him...and God will reward you openly for that.Be Honest before God always.David was...
 
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