Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Shyness]

Brother,

Do you believe Wiccan go to Heaven?

If you love your friend don't you want him go to heaven. Only one way go to Heaven and Jesus is the way.

Jesus command to love our neighbor like our self.

If we love our neighbor the best give that one can give to our lover is his salvation.

If we give a million dollar, he may happy for a wile til he die. He may use this million dollar for hundred years if he life that long.

after that he die for millions year in hell without Jesus.

Let say we have a son rise from other country, and his habit is rape. In his country rape go to jail only 2 years. He come to the state, and you american, and you know in the state, life sentence for rapist

Which of the following statement is indication of love?

a. When your son come to the state, are you going to warn your son because of love and inform the law for the rapist here?

b. Or because of love you don't even bother to warn him.

I am not saying that we must force other to believe the Jesus teaching, like Inquisition. But love mean worry other salvation.

Whether a person goes to heaven or not, that is only for God to judge that (Matthew 7:1-3).

Rape is completely different because they are harming another person and destroying another person's life. Rapists do deserve to go to prison. Rape is a criminal act. Justice shall be served. As far as salvation, only God is the judge of that. We are not qualified to take on God's throne.

Also in the bible, it does say to obey the laws of the land.

 

[Shyness]

But shyness, she is the mother of Jesus' humanity, not His divinity; making her not the mother of God who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I find no scriptures authorizing prayer to anyone but God.

What do you say about this verse?

While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, "Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed." But He said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it."

- Luke 11:27-28 NASB​

But if I may ask, where in the bible does it say that Mary is only the mother of Jesus's humanity and not of his divinity? And where in the bible does it even condemn asking for Mary and the Saints to intercede for us?

If you do not believe Mary as the mother of Jesus, that is fine and that is your belief. And if you would rather only ask those who are only living on earth to intercede, that is fine too. But for me, that is how I was taught and I firmly believe Mary as mother of God and crowned queen of heaven.

 

[kennethcadwell]

But if I may ask, where in the bible does it say that Mary is only the mother of Jesus's humanity and not of his divinity? And where in the bible does it even condemn asking for Mary and the Saints to intercede for us?

If you do not believe Mary as the mother of Jesus, that is fine and that is your belief. And if you would rather only ask those who are only living on earth to intercede, that is fine too. But for me, that is how I was taught and I firmly believe Mary as mother of God and crowned queen of heaven.

I was in the Catholic church for five years and I ended up leaving do to the things that were taught that did not follow scripture, and I even brought it up to my pastor in which he just blew me off and would not answer me as to why they taught what they taught except that he said he was told what he could and could not preach on each week. I do believe we are to pray for others, but not pray to others. There is only one that we need to pray to. There was also the answer you gave to weather or not you believe if a wiccan will go to heaven. You said only God makes that decision. Well what does Jesus say in the scriptures, " If you deny me, then you deny the father. " Plus non-belief will not get you into heaven, and most wiccans I have come across don't believe in Jesus.
It does say to confess your sins in the bible, but it does not say you have to go to another person to confess ( You can but you don't have to ). Plus all it says is to repent or ask for forgiveness, you don't have to do any more than that.

Plus there is one question I would ask you, does the Catholic church still try to hide the fact that Mary and Joseph had other kids together after Jesus ?

 

[Jackson123]

But if I may ask, where in the bible does it say that Mary is only the mother of Jesus's humanity and not of his divinity? And where in the bible does it even condemn asking for Mary and the Saints to intercede for us?

If you do not believe Mary as the mother of Jesus, that is fine and that is your belief. And if you would rather only ask those who are only living on earth to intercede, that is fine too. But for me, that is how I was taught and I firmly believe Mary as mother of God and crowned queen of heaven.

Brother Shyness.

Yes Jesus decide who go to heaven who go to hell.

Jesus give a requirement how go to heaven. And is simple, Just invite Him to be your Lord and do His command.

If Jesus doesn't say anything about how to be save, in the last judgement every body will protest, You never tell us how to go to heaven. we don't know how than You just punish us.

The wiccan require to come to Jesus and when he come to the Lord, the Holy spirit will ask the wiccan to give up his wiccan believe.

One can serve two master.

If there is a Wiccan said he believe in Jesus and maintain his status as a Wiccan, he is lie.

Constantine obligate the citizen of Rome to be catholic, and he himself maintain his status as Pontifex Maximus/ top leader of pagan religion.

Isn't raise Question? What is in behind. If he believe in catholic, why maintain his status as pontifex maximus?

Brother, Religion is you choice, this is serious, between hell and Heaven. I will investigate seriously when it comes to heaven and eternity hell. it is million years prison.

Base from what i heard, Constantine is smart. He know when Christianity contaminate with a pagan teaching, even a tiny bit, it's over. It's not Christian anymore. That why he create catholic a christian teaching but contaminate with tiny bit pagan teaching.

Brother Shy, It's you choice, the only I can do is encourage you to make intent pray to the Lord Jesus Christ to talk to you whether catholic teaching, such as pray to Mary or St Peter is not conflict with the teaching of Christ.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Jackson123 it was Constantine who did some of the contaminating of the Christian religion himself after he converted, and wanted to convert all his followers to Christianity. But because his followers did not want to give up some of their pagan traditions Constantine adopted them in to Christianity. For example changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and the Catholic church backed him in this as well as other changes to the doctrine.

 

[Spokenpassage]

But if I may ask, where in the bible does it say that Mary is only the mother of Jesus's humanity and not of his divinity? And where in the bible does it even condemn asking for Mary and the Saints to intercede for us?

If you do not believe Mary as the mother of Jesus, that is fine and that is your belief. And if you would rather only ask those who are only living on earth to intercede, that is fine too. But for me, that is how I was taught and I firmly believe Mary as mother of God and crowned queen of heaven.

Who created Mary?

Who was first God or Mary?

 

[Jackson123]

Jackson123 it was Constantine who did some of the contaminating of the Christian religion himself after he converted, and wanted to convert all his followers to Christianity. But because his followers did not want to give up some of their pagan traditions Constantine adopted them in to Christianity. For example changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, and the Catholic church backed him in this as well as other changes to the doctrine.

Yes brother, Constantine did contaminate the Christianity.

But Is he really convert to Christianity? From what I heard, he maintain his status of Pontifex maximus til his death.

That why I don't believe he really convert.

The fact that he maintain his pontifex maximus/.top leader of pagan, indicate he not really genuine convert.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes brother, Constantine did contaminate the Christianity.

But Is he really convert to Christianity? From what I heard, he maintain his status of Pontifex maximus til his death.

That why I don't believe he really convert.

The fact that he maintain his pontifex maximus/.top leader of pagan, indicate he not really genuine convert.

He did profess to be Christian as what was written and tried to no avail to have those who he had convert to Christianity to follow the traditions of the bible. Because they would not stop supporting and doing some of their pagan traditions Constantine determined it would cause stumbling blocks on them if he tried to force the Christian traditions on them, so instead he changed some of the doctrine to their traditions to make the transition easier.

Was this wrong? That is not for me to say, however Jesus does say in the scripture not to make it hard for some one to come to him and cause them stumbling blocks.

 

[SweetShelly35]

We only need to pray to God. We must accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and that means we don't use rosary beads, or pray to Mary. Mary was a mortal. The pope is also a mortal. I refuse to call anyone else father except God in heaven. The catholic religion is run by a bunch of heretics. It is very difficult to get your average catholic to see this however. I wish you all the best in getting them to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. May God Bless You.

Your sister in Christ,
Shelly

 

[Jackson123]

He did profess to be Christian as what was written and tried to no avail to have those who he had convert to Christianity to follow the traditions of the bible. Because they would not stop supporting and doing some of their pagan traditions Constantine determined it would cause stumbling blocks on them if he tried to force the Christian traditions on them, so instead he changed some of the doctrine to their traditions to make the transition easier.

Was this wrong? That is not for me to say, however Jesus does say in the scripture not to make it hard for some one to come to him and cause them stumbling blocks.

Brother, I read from different resource, from Dr Alberto Rivera, Constantine not really convert. It prove that he maintain his title as pontifex maximus/top leader of pagan religion.

That he compromise and put pagan tradition prove that he is not convert like what he said.

Also he did not baptized til the last day of his life.

 

[Shyness]

You must be speaking of a different catholic chat. I went there as a catholic in this very room asked me to because I questioned "gates of hell" Even while I was there. I had a few call me a basher. and a few say I was sincere. Then I woke up the next morning. and BANNED as a catholic hater. I never did figure out of the ones I was having and apparent opened minded discussion with answered me, or were playing me and banned me.

Here's the problem. and I am being sincere and not bashing anyone.

1. The eucharistic communion OFFENDS ME, My God died once to save mankind, he paid the penatly for ALL sin as John said he would. and to sacrifice him weekly over and over, and still not be assured of eternal life is offensive!

2. Your sacramental works based Gospel offends me. It mocks of my saviors death, and says mankind must be part of the solution.

3. Holding mary as the "mother of God" is a major offense to me, it wreaks of paganism and holds mary as equal to Christ.

4. Saying only certain men have been given infallible interpretation offends me. It says the Holy Soirit, who was given to me is not powerful enough to teach me anything.

5. Saying one can lose a grace gift given by God offends me, It says I can somehow earn my gift. which means it was no gift at all, but a trick by God to get us to do his will.

I could go on and on, but you get the point. You should also see that of these things MANY churches hold to these doctrines. So it is not just an anti catholic thing, it would be anti all the churches which hold to these doctrines. But it is not even that, it is just my belief. I am not bashing anyone, which brings me to the most heinous of all crimes

If I come in and preach my belief on these and other doctrines. I am called a catholic hater or basher. Yet, If you come in here offending me with your doctrines, it is perfectly fine, You are not a hater or basher of me. Thus we come to this conclusion.

We are not to offend you in any way, and hare dare we think we have the right to speak our own personal beliefs, but you are perfectly fine to offend us any way you want, and how dare we question you when you do offend us.

This is the most hypocritical, arrogant pride filled stuff I have seen from any church (except for maybe the boston church of Christ, who I witnessed beat people to a pulp who left their church, (Oh wait, your church executed many thousands who believed as I do) )

It is no wonder your church is so hated, it is not for your doctrines, your doctrines are not church specific, many others follow them, it is for your hypocrisy, your pride and your arrogance!

The bottom line is you probably broke the rules to that site, therefore the ban is well deserved. I do not know of any Catholic who goes to a protestant church and challenges its beliefs on its on turf. When you joined that chat, you knew well that it is a Catholic chat and not just a generic Christian chat (non catholics would be welcome but they must obey the rules and respect the site.) Even in a generic Christian site, there should not be any bashing against another denomination if it is truly doing the will of God. I do respect the right for any chat site to establish whatever rules it sees fit.

 

[Shyness]

This video is not to convert anyone but it is to give those people who are slamming Roman Catholicism a better understanding of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rm-TaHkvws

 

[Ugly]

I cannot help it but I do have an extremely strong feeling that RoboOp does indeed hate Catholics.

This attitude reminds me of the homosexual agenda. If you disagree with me it can only be hatred. That's the tone gays take, and you are reflecting that same attitude. Maybe, just maybe, someone can disagree with you, strongly even, but not out of hate, but because they feel they have valid reasons for their disagreement. But i guess if you took that attitude you wouldn't have an excuse to go on trollish rants.

 

[Shyness]

This attitude reminds me of the homosexual agenda. If you disagree with me it can only be hatred. That's the tone gays take, and you are reflecting that same attitude. Maybe, just maybe, someone can disagree with you, strongly even, but not out of hate, but because they feel they have valid reasons for their disagreement. But i guess if you took that attitude you wouldn't have an excuse to go on trollish rants.

You can disagree respectfully without trashing someone's faith. The people who judge others by trashing their faith are the ones who are trolling. I have never seen this level of immaturity on any other Christian chat site other than this one.

 

[28Man_Seeking_Wife]

Um, "ugly", for the common good, please give us all your logical argument with actual theological proof as to why Catholics are not Christians... I don't know whether or not you "hate". But I do know that you cannot possibly prove your claim that I (as a Catholic) do not ascribe to the Teachings of Jesus Christ. For anyone interested in doing some serious research as to whether or not the Catholic tradition is "Christian", please read up on the first 1300 years of Christian historical theology and ask yourself whether it resembles more what the Catholic Church is, or what Martin Luther or Billy Graham or Benny Hinn present as Christianity. Here are the first hand historical resources to do so: http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html

I'm done feuding with ignorant sectarian anti-rational yokels like "ugly" (and I do not say this out of hate, but out of factual objectivity). Peace out ya'll

 

[28Man_Seeking_Wife]

We only need to pray to God. We must accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and that means we don't use rosary beads, or pray to Mary. Mary was a mortal. The pope is also a mortal. I refuse to call anyone else father except God in heaven. The catholic religion is run by a bunch of heretics. It is very difficult to get your average catholic to see this however. I wish you all the best in getting them to accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. May God Bless You.

Your sister in Christ,
Shelly

For anyone who is not the "average" anti-catholic propagandist, if you are interested in doing some serious research as to whether or not the Catholic tradition is "Christian", please read up on the first 1300 years of Christian historical theology and ask yourself whether it resembles more what the Catholic Church is, or what Martin Luther or Billy Graham or Benny Hinn present as Christianity. Then you will know who the heretics are. (Or you can take Pastor Joe Bob's word for it without doing the research yourself). Here are the first hand historical resources to do so: Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

 

[Donkeyfish07]

You can disagree respectfully without trashing someone's faith. The people who judge others by trashing their faith are the ones who are trolling. I have never seen this level of immaturity on any other Christian chat site other than this one.

Calling out false teachings isn't immature by any means. No judgement needs to be passed on a person to call a false doctrine a false doctrine. If you don't want to hear that type of thing, you don't have to listen. I know I don't give those "Them darn heretic protestant" rants enough credibility to bestow upon them the value necessary for caring.

 

[Jackson123]

Um, "ugly", for the common good, please give us all your logical argument with actual theological proof as to why Catholics are not Christians... I don't know whether or not you "hate". But I do know that you cannot possibly prove your claim that I (as a Catholic) do not ascribe to the Teachings of Jesus Christ. For anyone interested in doing some serious research as to whether or not the Catholic tradition is "Christian", please read up on the first 1300 years of Christian historical theology and ask yourself whether it resembles more what the Catholic Church is, or what Martin Luther or Billy Graham or Benny Hinn present as Christianity. Here are the first hand historical resources to do so: Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

I'm done feuding with ignorant sectarian anti-rational yokels like "ugly" (and I do not say this out of hate, but out of factual objectivity). Peace out ya'll

With all respect, In my opinion, it depend what is your definition of Christian and which bible is you believe christian suppose to use as a text book.

If we have different bible, it will lead to different teaching such as Purgatory etc.

Than why both say they are Christian.

If Catholic Christian than protestant not. If Protestant Christian than Catholic not.

It is not hatred. It just honest. It base on love not hatred.

 

[Maynard]

With all respect, In my opinion, it depend what is your definition of Christian and which bible is you believe christian suppose to use as a text book.

If we have different bible, it will lead to different teaching such as Purgatory etc.

Than why both say they are Christian.

If Catholic Christian than protestant not. If Protestant Christian than Catholic not.

It is not hatred. It just honest. It base on love not hatred.

You sure do paint with terribly broad strokes. "Protestantism" includes an ever-fragmenting 30,000+ separate denominations, none of them in agreement with the other on their beliefs. The Catholic Church on the other hand is ONE.

 

[Jackson123]

You sure do paint with terribly broad strokes. "Protestantism" includes an ever-fragmenting 30,000+ separate denominations, none of them in agreement with the other on their beliefs. The Catholic Church on the other hand is ONE.

Brother Maynard.

In the animal kingdom, there is species we call it bird. There are thousand of different bird, but we recognized the different between bird and fish, or snake.

In the same manner we recognized the different between Catholic and protestant.

The text book is different for example Catholic use Maccabees and protestant not.

How about the teaching of salvation. Catholic believe in purgatory/ salvation must achieve by work and grace.

Protestant believe salvation by grace alone.

Yes salvation produce good work. Because the fruit of the Holy spirit is love/Galatians 5

Produce not requirement

Protestant:
Faith > produce salvation and good work is by product of salvation.

Catholic

Faith and good work produce salvation.

It is hugest different. Look like the same but big different.