The Holy Spirit and the Supernatural Orb Explored (Scripture Examined)

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notforgotten said:
Look it up and see what you find. I believe there was a word that meant flat round like a coin, but nothing that meant completely round like a ball, orb, globe or sphere.
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yes, toys (known as 'balls' in English) were made out of animal bladders, and have been recorded to be used by children since before 2500 BC.

Where did you get this false information about the Hebrew language being deficient of a word to describe a spherical object? It is just not correct.
 
notforgotten said:
Look it up and see what you find. I believe there was a word that meant flat round like a coin, but nothing that meant completely round like a ball, orb, globe or sphere.
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do you not remember me telling you exactly the same thing just a few days ago? look back a few pages. Ezekiel even used this word himself.

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LT said:
yes, toys (known as 'balls' in English) were made out of animal bladders, and have been recorded to be used by children since before 2500 BC.

Where did you get this false information about the Hebrew language being deficient of a word to describe a spherical object? It is just not correct.
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I was not giving out false information, I merely said that the words orb, ball, globe or sphere did not exist in 5th century BC. These words did not come into existence until around the 1500's. I have read that the word used in Isaiah for round was uncommon for that day. Quite frankly, it is irrelevant because it is obvious that Ezekiel saw orbs.
 
the word has 3 uses: a circle, a ball, sphere or orb, or a balled-up heap or pile.

Isaiah wrote over a hundred years before Ezekiel, and properly used the word in the sense of a sports ball.

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
(Isaiah 22:18)

in the NIV the same word is translated "pile"

take the pick of the flock. Pile wood beneath it for the bones; bring it to a boil and cook the bones in it.
(Ezekiel 24:5)

the idea being 'ball up a bunch of wood' beneath the bones.

just because the scripture doesn't have much occasion to talk about playing ball doesn't mean the word didn't exist in the vocabulary.
 
LT said:
yes, toys (known as 'balls' in English) were made out of animal bladders, and have been recorded to be used by children since before 2500 BC.

Where did you get this false information about the Hebrew language being deficient of a word to describe a spherical object? It is just not correct.
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The English language was not even around in 2500 BC and the earliest known record of the word ball that I can find is in the 12 century. The animal bladder may have been used as toys but they were not called "balls" in English in 2500 BC.
 
notforgotten said:
The English language was not even around in 2500 BC and the earliest known record of the word ball that I can find is in the 12 century. The animal bladder may have been used as toys but they were not called "balls" in English in 2500 BC.
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really?

... *sigh* ...

No, I did not say that the actual word 'ball' was used in 2500 BC. What I said was that animal bladders were used as a toy. Today, we would refer to these animal bladders as 'a ball'....

the cultures that used these bladders had their own words for them. Hebrew would be one of those cultures.
 
posthuman said:
the word has 3 uses: a circle, a ball, sphere or orb, or a balled-up heap or pile.

Isaiah wrote over a hundred years before Ezekiel, and properly used the word in the sense of a sports ball.

He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
(Isaiah 22:18)

in the NIV the same word is translated "pile"

take the pick of the flock. Pile wood beneath it for the bones; bring it to a boil and cook the bones in it.
(Ezekiel 24:5)

the idea being 'ball up a bunch of wood' beneath the bones.

just because the scripture doesn't have much occasion to talk about playing ball doesn't mean the word didn't exist in the vocabulary.
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Ezekiel did not use this word meaning ball that Isaiah had used. Therefore he was probably unfamilar with it. Explaining why he would describe an orb as a ​"a wheel in the middle of a wheel".
 
notforgotten said:
The post that you had commented on was of my brother and I seeing my mother who is in heaven. Scripture does not offend me, people who lack discernment of spirits do.
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dude your judgement be on your own head - I just feel bad for people who are still trying to converse with this
 
The Bible is the Holy Spirit incarnate, who reveals the truth of Jesus, who in turn reveals the truth of God.
 
LT said:
Strong's Hebrew: 1754. דּוּר (dur) -- a circle, ball

use Google before posting things. I use BibleGateway and BibleHub for most of my web searches for Biblical terms, but there are hundreds of solid lexicons, concordances, and interlinears that can prove very useful when presenting a Biblical argument.
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You are correct, but "a wheel in the middle of a wheel" obviously means a ball as well:
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'And understanding this scripture is what's important.
 
Extremum-Spiritum said:
Posthuman, I am the owner of the original photograph in question. The orb photograph has not been "doctored" in any way. This photo was taken by me on Christmas Eve 2012. This photo is in it's original form as it came from the camera. The original photo is filed with my family pictures from Christmas 2012. Now you know the origin of the photo and the person that took the photo. The camera used was a Sony AVCHD HDR CX350V camcorder that takes still shots. I arrived at this website following a pingback through the link to my website posted above.
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this probably isn't worth the effort, but:
photo forensic ELA tool results: FotoForensics - Analysis

areas of high contrast like edges should have the same brightness level on an ELA reading. note that the circumference of the 'orb' is only visible on the right side in the ELA though clearly an area of high contrast in it's full circle in the original image. this is evidence that it may have been altered, and consistent with layering a low-opacity image of a face on top of the 'orb'

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this isn't conclusive but suspicious, and "because random internet guy who writes a paranormal blog says it's legit" isn't conclusive either.

interestingly, the metadata shows the flash was on in this picture. just like in every other picture of dust orbs.
 
So we have the supernatural orb appearing before Ezekiel with Father God and Cherubim. We have Father God inspiring a young modern day artistic genius to paint "live bubbles" through dreams. We have seen the supernatural orb descending like a dove, hovering like the Spirit of God over the face of the waters and bearing witness as the Spirit of truth.

What more do you want people?
 
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notforgotten said:
So we have the supernatural orb appearing before Ezekiel with Father God and Cherubim. We have Father God inspiring a young modern day artistic genius to paint "live bubbles" through dreams. We have seen the supernatural orb descending like a dove, hovering like the Spirit of God over the face of the waters and bearing witness as the Spirit of truth.

What more do you want people?
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For this thread to DIE..or be closed.
 
Good grief. If you want the Holy Spirit have faith in the cross and ask foe Him.
 
posthuman said:
this probably isn't worth the effort, but:
photo forensic ELA tool results: FotoForensics - Analysis

areas of high contrast like edges should have the same brightness level on an ELA reading. note that the circumference of the 'orb' is only visible on the right side in the ELA though clearly an area of high contrast in it's full circle in the original image. this is evidence that it may have been altered, and consistent with layering a low-opacity image of a face on top of the 'orb'

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this isn't conclusive but suspicious, and "because random internet guy who writes a paranormal blog says it's legit" isn't conclusive either.

interestingly, the metadata shows the flash was on in this picture. just like in every other picture of dust orbs.
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besides the face looks like a dying alien - not a flattering take...okay I'm done, done....
 
I finally got curious enough to open this thread. After reading post #1, I heartily agreed with post #2 and stopped there.
I'm flabbergasted that this thread continues...sign of the times I guess.
 
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