Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[Jabberjaw]

Is there two types of work? one flesh that is nothing to God and the other Spirit of God everything to Father

There are two types of work, one that is righteous works, and the other the works of merit.

 

[homwardbound]

To the end, just like Paul :


2 Timothy 4:7-8 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give to me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.

Is that speaking of the fight of Faith? Or the fight of look at me God and what I am doing?

 

[Cassian]

Psalm 100:4 Enter into his gates with thanksgiving, and into his courts with praise: be thankful unto him, and bless his name.
Thanking God today by son's work I have entered into


Yep and am thankful for God has had Mercy on me and am not like you apparently, self righteous
Luke 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

which one are you? read the rest in context and please are you the publican or the Pharisee? You know, I do not, and I am rested in this because I know God knows and will deal with both of us accordingly, Love you regardless at how much it appears you are kicking at God's Mercy to all and taking that away by adding if one works or not, when:

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

Knock them strawmen over, over and over.

 

[homwardbound]

Im going to put that in my Key bible quotes list lol

But you keep going man, I gotta start looking for a job again =_= I'll be back later

- David

Saying prayers for you on this to get what needed for i know you will as God leads

 

[Jabberjaw]

Do you play twister, for I see you all tangled up and twisted and are trying to twist up others in condemnation and do works of their own flesh that is what this world teaches and is overturned by Christ For:
John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
I rest in that above, and you
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

I don't have a secret decoder ring to decipher your color coding... if you have some interpretation of these scriptures, say so.

I personally have escaped and am not looking back, my trust is in the finished work of my savior Jesus Christ and have a personal relation with Father by this trust in Father through Son, It is a gift and I work by free will in response to this free gift as my thank you to Father and Son. or do you not get this?

We are the creation and not the creator. What makes sense here to respond to Father or create and have Father respond to us?
God is not a vending machine, The devil is though, who plays if you do you will get as he tried to win over Christ and said he would give Christ all these worldly possessions if he would bow down and worship him. and Christ did not and still does not
You think the Devil the deceiver has not come as an angel of light to deceive the very elect of God through positive and negative rewards?

Jesus or God will not obey the Gospel for you, if that is what you believe you have been deceived.

 

[Cassian]

Cherry picking you use that a lot. Do you know why Elephants paint their toe nails red? To hide in Cherry trees.
Do you know how I died to the flesh sin, picking Cherries, I saw my wicked ness and dead to it through the death of Christ and med alive by the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of Father

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

2 Corinthians 5:19 to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The response to this, is what produces works of thanksgiving and praises to all, and all who are looking for this peace, joy, and righteousness just have to have some. You know. remember your first love that we tend to lose through this worlds works program
singing: praising my savior all the day long, singing hallelujah entering his courts daily thanking God for all things no matter what hey appear to look like good or bad
Now that is God's will you think or is this burden too light and yoke too easy?

Now you are really trying to stretch, cherry picking. Everyone of these texts has to do with the Work of Christ, the reconciling of the world, the actual gift of salvation from death and sin.

It is this work that makes the purpose of God in creating man possible again, that is joining in a mutual relationship.

 

[homwardbound]

The main problem is with those that think that "faith alone" IS salvation.

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

 

[homwardbound]

I don't complain about the Church, there is only one, it began on Pentecost. you too can be added to that church, but you can't join, read about it in Acts 2.

Is this Church you speak of here on earth? and where is it so I may attend, please?

 

[Cassian]

In Christ:
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Then he rose the third day by Father doing this, by this power we receive new life in the Spirit of Christ from Father a Free gift can not be earned get it. The new life resides in the cross that includes the resurrected Christ
And for anyone to rest in that do more than did before, now at rest while others are still in stress to do.
John 8:32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Free from what? Stress, worry, fear?
If you are in anyone of those above then truth has not set you free has it?

Truth sets free, so error any error in ones truth keeps one in bondage right? So if I am in bondage then I might need to rethink my truth; for to be in bondage one would have to have error in their truth right?
So maybe time to rethink your truth if you are still in bondage

You are really picking again. Christ FREED all men from the bondage to death and sin. But that is NOT what this discussion is about.
It is about being in error and your view has been in error since the Reformation started. In 500 years it has not been supported anywhere, was never a belief prior to the Reformation. You will remain in your swirl of confusion.

 

[homwardbound]

Faith is a requirement, it is just not the only requirement, faith cometh by hearing, so you can't even have faith without hearing, so how can faith alone save you?

 Romans 10:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I heard God not man and accepted God by Faith and am translated to God by God through Son safe and secure in his arms. how about you, there yet, by trust alone in God and not man flesh works, rather Christ's flesh work I am one with Christ in Father safe and secure
praying for God to show you and if not I know God has reason that is just plain righteous in whether it is revealed to you or not

 

[homwardbound]

This means salvation is not possible without works.

That is what is being said one has to have works to be saved, which is false, for if the first chosen could have obeyed perfectly then there would have never been a need for a perfect Savior Christ

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

By the first Chosen shown by Father they could not ever be perfect and had to year after year have their sins transferred from them to a perfect animal sacrifice where there always had to be shedding of Blood for this forgiveness, year after year mind you

And Christ is the perfect lamb sacrificed for all eternity, the last sacrifice for any and all forgiveness in the sight of Father it is finished and by this death of Christ we are forever cleansed, not to be taken for granted and just sin because we are forgiven. Rather in appreciation to Father by Son we are forgiven and learn from Father how to walk in dependence on Father and not self
And thus we will walk as Son walked, by Faith in the finished work of Christ at the cross, never in self effort works anymore once we see the works to be saved are finished and we walk in the light as he is in the light by trust to Father that father does just love us this deep to go to the death for us even as we are and were unbelievers.
That is love beyond measure you think?

 

[Vaudeville]

That's what they usually say when they cannot withstand the truth, pity, we never even got to the part where "faith" too is a work.

if you say so.
youre saved by works. but maybe not works of righteousness - then you would be in direct opposition to the word.

okay.

Titus 3
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

if you say so.
youre saved by works. but maybe not works of righteousness - then you would be in direct opposition to the word.

okay.

Titus 3
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

amen, if you do not have eternal life, you have no hope.

Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began,

 

[homwardbound]

Originally Posted by Vaudeville

oh i see. we have "hearing" as a work. i can't stand the conversation when it gets to this. grow up. goodbye.

That's what they usually say when they cannot withstand the truth, pity, we never even got to the part where "faith" too is a work.

So I think I now see one down and how many to go? wow you are doing an awesome work, how do I get to do this, proud of me, I think I need some pride, no wait a minute I do not need a messenger of Satan to buffet me only if I am prideful, and boastful, I need humility over it all, thank you for this reminder that i know nothing of myself and God's grace is sufficient for me
2 Cor 12 verse 7 onward ho!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Father for you Mercy, I desire to keep learning this so I do noty do this:

Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Mercy to you and all in their journey to know the truth that sets them free

John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Pray for this above scripture for each of us to see what makes us free

 

[homwardbound]

If we are in a mutual synergistic relationship, which scripture describes, then the covenant can be broken by either party. However, God has given us His surety that He will never revoke His promises. But proponents of this view can never find the text that guarnatees man's faith, his side of the relationship.

Now, if you are going to posit that man is not in a mutual relationship, but an arrangement then you might have a point.

Is not the arrangement God waiting for us to respond in thanksgiving and praise, giving up our self centered attitudes and not seeking to have or get praise from others or God as Christ never praised himself did he? Only praised Father, could this be what Father wants from us, is this type of attitude loving neighbor as self? which is the fulfillment of all Law
So praise you for your avid search to know Father as I think all do want to know and have the attributes of Father shown to us by Christ you think?
Thank you for all your posts in concern for all, whether I see what you say or not and the opposite as to what I say or not Bottom line God's love goes on forever, that is what always remains and I am so thankful for that and I think you are to right?

 

[homwardbound]

You say one must have a new heart to be saved, and that new heart does good works. So that makes works necessary to having a good heart, which is necesary to being saved, making works essential to being saved.

How can one not do the good works of God in response to God when one sees what God has done, the same as how could one refuse water Baptism after the salvation given to them in response in thanksgiving and praise. works are there, just not forced there is a difference at least to me

 

[homwardbound]

I agree that one cannot be saved without works.

The works shown after one is saved is are the by-product of being born again, it is not a work of ones self, it is a response to Father in thanksgiving and praise you think?

 

[Vaudeville]

I agree that one cannot be saved without works.

well yes i know that now. you have everything from hearing to breathing as works. not works of righteousness though. unless you challenge paul.

so SeaBass is saved by his works. HE HEARD! thats impressive. even more impressive is that while dead in trespasses and sins he cooperated with Christ in his salvation by doing good works. what is this religion called. Romanish maybe.

 

[homwardbound]

I agree with you here, but this statement does not make doctrine.
As a beleiver I do not know or understand those that reject Christ, but even more so those that have been believers, yet they reject Him. But that is what the judgement is all about. Man determines his eternal abode.

Watching, what are you saying exactly here, I heart inuendos form the enemy trying to get me to walk in my unredeemed flesh, which by Christ's death I reckon to be dead and alive to Father in the Spirit of Father
That is the Gospel friend
Here comes that Billy goat again, butting and saying actually with that word BUT, means that you do not agree with meeven though you said you do.
As soon as you wrote that word BUT in there you discounted everything you said to me prior to that word BUT
So what is it friend, or are you an enemy of the cross and mad that God has past tense reconciled all the world to himself, not counting man's sin against them, if they will change their mind and beleive God?
Kind of like when Jonah was mad that God gave the Ninevites Mercy revealed in Chapter four?
Do you not see this or have you not received this? I see posts that revela you have then I see these posts that take away the free gift oif God to you
Only you know and Father know, praying for us both as I know not to cease from prayer for all, and trust God in the outcome no matter how it appears you agree with this or not?

 

[homwardbound]

How does this even help your position. It is ONLY addressing God's promise to believers. Paul is not exhorting, or warning them about themselves remaining faithful. It is NOT addressing man's obligation or committment to their relationship with Christ.

I am so sorry you do not see this, and I still trust God in this, you not seeing what is said, God leads not me, thanks appreaciating you