I don't think God ever wanted His ordained Holy days mixed in with man's holidays. That is a firm statute throughout the Bible. I think that's where the problem lies. Thanksgiving would be close to tabernacles, but is not equated with it. On the other hand, easter is equated with Passover. As I understand it, even Hanukkah is a man made holiday, and is close to Christmas. In any event, our Christmas and Jesus' birth, more than likely, are over 3 months apart. It wasn't during the winter for the shepherds were in the field feeding their flocks at night when it would have been the coldest. We are NOT suppose to mix mans traditions with what God has ordained.
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Deu 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Seems to matter to God.
Deu 12:31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
Deu 12:32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Seems to matter to God.
R
the day of preparation is the day before a sabbath...and it has been established that there is no other sabbath that could have possibly come after the day of jesus' death other than the regular weekly saturday sabbath...
you continue to post information that disproves your own point...apparently without realizing it...
as you wrote...the passover seder marked the beginning of the fifteenth day of the month...and since jesus died in the daylight hours immediately following the seder...that means jesus died on the fifteenth day...
and as you also wrote...the fifteenth day was the special sabbath of the passover...meaning the day -after- jesus' death...which was a sabbath according to scripture...would have been on the sixteenth day of the month...and the only way the sixteenth day of the month could have been a sabbath is if it was saturday...meaning the previous day when jesus died was a friday...
R
your chart goes directly against scripture i'm afraid...for one thing jesus was buried the same day he was crucified...scripture stresses in several places that it was very important that jesus be buried before the end of the day...
furthermore...jesus was -not- crucified on the fourteenth day of the month before the passover lambs were killed...because he ate the passover seder the night before...
furthermore...jesus was -not- crucified on the fourteenth day of the month before the passover lambs were killed...because he ate the passover seder the night before...
And the reason for that is because the High Day, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, the fifteenth of the month, began at sunset.
In other words, the very One who spoke this...
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
In other words the One who spoke the above missed it and was actually offered as the Passover on the fifteenth? On the high day?
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
I would like to see the explanation as to why they broke their legs (Christ excepted) and took them down off the stakes in a hustle before the high day if they were hanging there on the high day.
In other words, the very One who spoke this...
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
In other words the One who spoke the above missed it and was actually offered as the Passover on the fifteenth? On the high day?
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
I would like to see the explanation as to why they broke their legs (Christ excepted) and took them down off the stakes in a hustle before the high day if they were hanging there on the high day.
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By the way, one of the abominations that He hates is this...
Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Now what time of the day could you face East and worship the sun? Sunrise. Ishtar morning sunrise service.
Eze 8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.
Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.
Now what time of the day could you face East and worship the sun? Sunrise. Ishtar morning sunrise service.
Since Wikipedia seems to be a usable source...
Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) or eight days (in the diaspora). In Judaism, a day commences at dusk and lasts until the following dusk, thus the first day of Passover only begins after dusk of the 14th of Nisan and ends at dusk of the 15th day of the month of Nisan. The rituals unique to the Passover celebrations commence with the Passover Seder when the 15th of Nisan has begun. In the Northern Hemisphere Passover takes place in spring as the Torah prescribes it: "in the month of [the] spring" (בחדש האביב Exodus 23:15). It is one of the most widely observed Jewish holidays.
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
The only evening of the fourteenth day is at the beginning of the fourteenth day. The next evening is the fifteenth day.
As far as the smoke and mirrors concerning the Passover being on the fifteenth...
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
The fourteenth is the Passover and the fifteenth is the Sabbath, the holy convocation, the high day.
Christ was not offered on the fifteenth, He was offered on the fourteenth during the daylight portion and died at 3:00pm on the fourteenth.
Passover commences on the 15th of the Hebrew month of Nisan and lasts for either seven days (in Israel) or eight days (in the diaspora). In Judaism, a day commences at dusk and lasts until the following dusk, thus the first day of Passover only begins after dusk of the 14th of Nisan and ends at dusk of the 15th day of the month of Nisan. The rituals unique to the Passover celebrations commence with the Passover Seder when the 15th of Nisan has begun. In the Northern Hemisphere Passover takes place in spring as the Torah prescribes it: "in the month of [the] spring" (בחדש האביב Exodus 23:15). It is one of the most widely observed Jewish holidays.
Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
The only evening of the fourteenth day is at the beginning of the fourteenth day. The next evening is the fifteenth day.
As far as the smoke and mirrors concerning the Passover being on the fifteenth...
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
The fourteenth is the Passover and the fifteenth is the Sabbath, the holy convocation, the high day.
Christ was not offered on the fifteenth, He was offered on the fourteenth during the daylight portion and died at 3:00pm on the fourteenth.
this is from hebrew4christians.com
When does Passover begin?
you will find it agrees with the OP exactly.
When does Passover begin?
you will find it agrees with the OP exactly.
You may use whatever sources you wish, I prefer scripture...
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
Num 28:19 But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
Num 28:19 But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:
R
passover was included in the seven days of the feast of unleavened bread...it was not a separate festival...i proved this from ezekiel and matthew and mark and luke...which you completely ignored in your response...
i also proved from scripture that the evening of the fourteenth day was the -end- of the fourteenth day and the beginning of the -fifteenth- day...this is obvious from the example of the day of atonement...that is the tenth day of the month...beginning at evening on the ninth day of the month...
and you had better look at leviticus 23:32 again...because it -does- say that it begins at evening on the ninth day of the month...
i do understand that days went from sunset to sunset...which should have been obvious enough from my post... however what i proved is how scripture actually refers to those sunsets... the number of the day of the sunset is actually the number of the day that is -expiring-... so the sunset of the fourteenth day is the -end- of the fourteenth day and the -beginning- of the fifteenth day...
and since jesus was crucified in the daylight hours immediately following the seder...he was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...which is the first day of unleavened bread...
the sabbath that came the day after jesus' death was not the first day of unleavened bread...because it is already established that jesus -died- on that day...as i mentioned in my first post the fact that jesus died on the first day of unleavened bread probably explains why the jews were able to assemble so quickly in front of the governor's palace...they were assembling that day anyway...
in any case...since jesus died on the first day of unleavened bread...the sabbath that took place the day afterwards can only have been the weekly saturday sabbath...meaning the day before when jesus died was a friday...
the saturday sabbath of the passover week was considered a 'high sabbath' because it determined the day of firstfruits and the waving of the sheaf...
leviticus 23:11..."He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."
the point of john 11:9-10 is that jesus was urging his disciples to 'walk in the day' so that they would not stumble...he was -not- telling modern readers to get out their stopwatches and time exactly seventy-two hours from the time jesus was placed in the tomb...
the insistence on seventy-two hours is a modern -tradition- invented in just the past few decades...
i also proved from scripture that the evening of the fourteenth day was the -end- of the fourteenth day and the beginning of the -fifteenth- day...this is obvious from the example of the day of atonement...that is the tenth day of the month...beginning at evening on the ninth day of the month...
and you had better look at leviticus 23:32 again...because it -does- say that it begins at evening on the ninth day of the month...
i do understand that days went from sunset to sunset...which should have been obvious enough from my post... however what i proved is how scripture actually refers to those sunsets... the number of the day of the sunset is actually the number of the day that is -expiring-... so the sunset of the fourteenth day is the -end- of the fourteenth day and the -beginning- of the fifteenth day...
and since jesus was crucified in the daylight hours immediately following the seder...he was crucified on the fifteenth day of the month...which is the first day of unleavened bread...
the sabbath that came the day after jesus' death was not the first day of unleavened bread...because it is already established that jesus -died- on that day...as i mentioned in my first post the fact that jesus died on the first day of unleavened bread probably explains why the jews were able to assemble so quickly in front of the governor's palace...they were assembling that day anyway...
in any case...since jesus died on the first day of unleavened bread...the sabbath that took place the day afterwards can only have been the weekly saturday sabbath...meaning the day before when jesus died was a friday...
the saturday sabbath of the passover week was considered a 'high sabbath' because it determined the day of firstfruits and the waving of the sheaf...
leviticus 23:11..."He shall wave the sheaf before the Lord for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."
the point of john 11:9-10 is that jesus was urging his disciples to 'walk in the day' so that they would not stumble...he was -not- telling modern readers to get out their stopwatches and time exactly seventy-two hours from the time jesus was placed in the tomb...
the insistence on seventy-two hours is a modern -tradition- invented in just the past few decades...
R
regardless of what names you use to refer to the days jesus was crucified and resurrected...the scriptural evidence proves that the crucifixion was on a friday and the resurrection was on a sunday...
also easter has absolutely nothing to do with ishtar...they just sound somewhat alike...especially to people who don't know the hebrew alphabet from the roman alphabet... ishtar is from the akkadian for 'she who waters'...easter has a completely different word origin that ultimately goes back to the latin 'eostarum' which means 'dawn'... your associating the two makes about as much sense as claiming parakeets are divine because 'parakeet' sounds like 'paraklete'
also easter has absolutely nothing to do with ishtar...they just sound somewhat alike...especially to people who don't know the hebrew alphabet from the roman alphabet... ishtar is from the akkadian for 'she who waters'...easter has a completely different word origin that ultimately goes back to the latin 'eostarum' which means 'dawn'... your associating the two makes about as much sense as claiming parakeets are divine because 'parakeet' sounds like 'paraklete'
Yep, I ignored your two step around the scriptures by trying to justify it with what the Jews did. They are not the source of truth...
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
The fifteenth day is the high day and the bodies had to be taken down before this.
OK, help me out here,
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The second day here is not numbered from the second sunset. It began at dark.
If a day runs from sunset to sunset and there is a dark period and a light period, when did Jesus Christ eat the Passover with His disciples? On the beginning of the fifteenth? Contrary to Lev 23 and Num 28? And then does that mean Crhist was crucified on the high day? Yet He had to be taken down before the high day?
Which is also a Sabbath, a High Day, in direct contradiction to this...
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Then read this carefully...
Luk 23:52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Verse 54 says that they took His body down on the preparation day, NOT ON THE SABBATH, THE HIGH DAY.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
They then rested on the Sabbath which was according to the Commandment. The Fourth Commandment.
So He did not die on the Passover?
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Numbers 28 plainly shows that the Passover is the fourteenth and the First Day of Unleavened Bread is the fifteenth.
The Day after the Sabbath here is a Sunday. The Wave Sheaf is ALWAYS on Sunday, it cannot be any other day. Here is why...
Lev 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Now up to this point, there is nothing to indicate this must be a Sunday but let's read on...
verses 12 through 14 explain about the wave sheaf but do not speak to what day it is, so we'll pick it back up in verse 15...
Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Pentecost always falls on a Sunday as we see in verse 16. The morning after the seventh Sabbath must alway be the morning of the first day of the week, Sunday. If one counts fifty days from Sunday, we come to a Sunday.
By the way, read Lev 23 and you see that the Wave Sheaf is not a Sabbath. It is not a Holy Convocation...
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Lev 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:13 And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Notice it is the morning AFTER the Sabbath, but is not a Sabbath or holy convocation?
Odd, you have never read of the Quartodecimani? Never heard of the Quartodeciman controversy?
The Quartodeciman controversy arose because Christians in the Roman province of Asia (Western Anatolia) celebrated Passover on the 14th of the first month (Aviv), while the churches in and around Rome observed the practice of celebrating Easter on the following Sunday calling it "the day of the resurrection of our Saviour". The difference was turned into an ecclesiastical controversy when synods of bishops held in other provinces condemned the Asian practice.[4]
Background[edit]
Of the disputes about the date when the Christian Pascha should be celebrated, disputes known as Paschal/Easter controversies, the Quartodeciman is the first recorded.
In the mid–second century, the practice in the Roman province of Asia was for the pre-Paschal fast to end and the feast to be held on the 14th day (the full moon) of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan, the date on which the Passover sacrifice had been offered when the Second Temple stood, and "the day when the people put away the leaven".[5] Those who observed this practice were called Quartodecimani, Latin for "fourteenthers", because of holding their celebration on the fourteenth day of Nisan.
The practice had been followed by Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna (c. 69 – c. 155), one of the seven churches of Asia, and a disciple of John the Apostle, and by Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180).[5] Irenaeus says that Polycarp visited Rome when Anicetus was its bishop (c. 153–68), and among the topics discussed was this divergence of custom. Irenaeus noted:
Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp not to observe what he had always observed with John the disciple of our Lord, and the other apostles with whom he had associated; neither could Polycarp persuade Anicetus to observe it, as he said that he ought to follow the customs of the presbyters that had preceded him.[6]
Quartodecimanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So if you think that a 14th Passover and three days and three nights is something brand new, you have missed a lot of history.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Num 28:18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
The fifteenth day is the high day and the bodies had to be taken down before this.
OK, help me out here,
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The second day here is not numbered from the second sunset. It began at dark.
If a day runs from sunset to sunset and there is a dark period and a light period, when did Jesus Christ eat the Passover with His disciples? On the beginning of the fifteenth? Contrary to Lev 23 and Num 28? And then does that mean Crhist was crucified on the high day? Yet He had to be taken down before the high day?
Which is also a Sabbath, a High Day, in direct contradiction to this...
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Then read this carefully...
Luk 23:52 This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.
Luk 23:53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Verse 54 says that they took His body down on the preparation day, NOT ON THE SABBATH, THE HIGH DAY.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
They then rested on the Sabbath which was according to the Commandment. The Fourth Commandment.
So He did not die on the Passover?
Num 28:16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
Numbers 28 plainly shows that the Passover is the fourteenth and the First Day of Unleavened Bread is the fifteenth.
The Day after the Sabbath here is a Sunday. The Wave Sheaf is ALWAYS on Sunday, it cannot be any other day. Here is why...
Lev 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Now up to this point, there is nothing to indicate this must be a Sunday but let's read on...
verses 12 through 14 explain about the wave sheaf but do not speak to what day it is, so we'll pick it back up in verse 15...
Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Pentecost always falls on a Sunday as we see in verse 16. The morning after the seventh Sabbath must alway be the morning of the first day of the week, Sunday. If one counts fifty days from Sunday, we come to a Sunday.
By the way, read Lev 23 and you see that the Wave Sheaf is not a Sabbath. It is not a Holy Convocation...
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
Lev 23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
Lev 23:13 And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
Lev 23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
Notice it is the morning AFTER the Sabbath, but is not a Sabbath or holy convocation?
Odd, you have never read of the Quartodecimani? Never heard of the Quartodeciman controversy?
The Quartodeciman controversy arose because Christians in the Roman province of Asia (Western Anatolia) celebrated Passover on the 14th of the first month (Aviv), while the churches in and around Rome observed the practice of celebrating Easter on the following Sunday calling it "the day of the resurrection of our Saviour". The difference was turned into an ecclesiastical controversy when synods of bishops held in other provinces condemned the Asian practice.[4]
Background[edit]
Of the disputes about the date when the Christian Pascha should be celebrated, disputes known as Paschal/Easter controversies, the Quartodeciman is the first recorded.
In the mid–second century, the practice in the Roman province of Asia was for the pre-Paschal fast to end and the feast to be held on the 14th day (the full moon) of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan, the date on which the Passover sacrifice had been offered when the Second Temple stood, and "the day when the people put away the leaven".[5] Those who observed this practice were called Quartodecimani, Latin for "fourteenthers", because of holding their celebration on the fourteenth day of Nisan.
The practice had been followed by Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna (c. 69 – c. 155), one of the seven churches of Asia, and a disciple of John the Apostle, and by Melito of Sardis (d. c. 180).[5] Irenaeus says that Polycarp visited Rome when Anicetus was its bishop (c. 153–68), and among the topics discussed was this divergence of custom. Irenaeus noted:
Neither could Anicetus persuade Polycarp not to observe what he had always observed with John the disciple of our Lord, and the other apostles with whom he had associated; neither could Polycarp persuade Anicetus to observe it, as he said that he ought to follow the customs of the presbyters that had preceded him.[6]
Quartodecimanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So if you think that a 14th Passover and three days and three nights is something brand new, you have missed a lot of history.
R
the vast majority of passover traditions are not in the bible...
if you have four cups of wine...that isn't in the bible...
the specific number of matzot to be used isn't in the bible...
if you do the special hand washings...those aren't in the bible...
the salt water isn't in the bible...
the afikoman isn't in the bible...
the 'cup of elijah' isn't in the bible...
charoset...delicious but not in the bible...
and from the responses to this thread it appears that at least some people here have been doing it on a day other than the one indicated in the bible...oops...
with that said...i am not a legalist so feel free to do all those things and whatever others you want...but i hope you allow everyone else the same freedom too...
if you have four cups of wine...that isn't in the bible...
the specific number of matzot to be used isn't in the bible...
if you do the special hand washings...those aren't in the bible...
the salt water isn't in the bible...
the afikoman isn't in the bible...
the 'cup of elijah' isn't in the bible...
charoset...delicious but not in the bible...
and from the responses to this thread it appears that at least some people here have been doing it on a day other than the one indicated in the bible...oops...
with that said...i am not a legalist so feel free to do all those things and whatever others you want...but i hope you allow everyone else the same freedom too...