The Letter to the Romans...

[Hoffco]

The Church of Jesus Christ is raptured at the 6th seal and are the multitude in ch 7 of Rev. The 144,000 Jews are sealed by God at the rapture and are left on the earth and will be killed by the antichrist. but will not face the wrath of God. then all those killed for their faith in Christ will be resurrected at the 2nd coming of Christ to help rule the world with us, under Christ's command at Jerusalem, Israel. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[cfultz3]

Now remember the numbeless number..when you are sealed by God, the 144000 you are the ones God called to be an Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher. All others are in that numberless number......also same Spirit diffrent functions....everybody who has the Holy Ghost isnt sealed....if I recieve and sin am I dtill sealed? No.....you must have the Holy Ghost to be quickens dup....We will be judged in the Spirit throuh the Holy Ghost....you are judge based on works not having the Holy Ghost....

You say that we all have the Spirit, yet we are judged on works not having the Holy Spirit. Which one is it?

If there are only 144,000 prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers throughout these 2000 years after Jesus' death, then that would mean that there are only 77 of them each year in order to proclaim the Gospel to the whole WORLD. Maybe we should tell the thousands upon thousands upon millions of them today that?

If it says that the Spirit is the pledge to those who will inherit the promises from Jesus and then you say that everyone who has the Spirit is not sealed, then perhaps Scripture just got it wrong in having said that?

If you have the Spirit then you as a SON will receive forgiveness when YOU come to the Father in prayer seeking His forgiveness (Father, forgive me my sins as I forgive those of others). If you loose that sealing as soon as you sin, then that would make that sealing somewhat pretentious. Perhaps you meant that if you continuing with a stubborn heart contrary to the Spirit's conviction you will walk yourself away from that leading?

If we are judged in the Spirit through the Spirit, then who is really being judged on Judgment Day? The Spirit? It seems that you understand the administration of the Spirit as leading to judgment and not to the Light (to the presence of God and the Lamb). Where is the hope in your news?

 

[homwardbound]

Everyone is called, and they are called by the gospel, 2 Thess 2:14. But only those that answer that gospel call by obeying the gospel will be saved, become Christians, make up the group "called".

The word "called" can be used to refer to those that have answered the call, that is, Christians can be described as "the called" Jude 1:1 since Christians are the ones who have already answered the call of the gospel.

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Heb 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"

2 Thess 1:8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:"


The point I was making in my post to you is that God has made promises to man, as Heb 5:9; 2 Thess 1:8 where God has promised to save those that obey Him and have vengeance upon those that obey not.

Can God break His promises? No, it is impossible for God to lie.

This means that before the world began, God did not choose for man which individual men will or will not be saved. If God did that, then why would God make promises to man He could not keep, never meant to keep?

God allows man to use his own free will to choose to obey or not and God fulfills His promises through the choices men make. So if I choose of my own free will to obey, then God will fullfill His promise of Heb 5:9 upon me. Yet if I do not obey, then God will fulfill His promise of 2 Thess 1:8 upon me.

Yep, agreed and his commnads are not burdensome and are like
Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Love Father's type is the fulfillment of all law as in 1 Cor. 13:4-13, this type of love from God is imputed in the believer for no flesh can do this type of Love and is why it takes Faith in Father through Son's finished work to be able to see this type of love reception that Father gives to us by the resurrected Christ

 

[homwardbound]

The Holy Spirit is indwelling by choice. We dont have him by force. Many who have the Holy Spirit will suffer. It quickens you up to get judged. If you read what you wrote you will see that. Your judged on your works not if you have the Holy Spirit. Now in order to preform a work you must have the Holy Spirit. your not going to recieve the Holy Spirit and just sit. And if you dont use what you have when you recieve God will withdraw his spirit slowly. The scripture truly is Good when it states that God will pour out his spirit upon all flesh because all people must be quickened up to get judged. Also if you read the scripture you wrote you will see not everyone is sealed. The sealed are the 144000 mentioned in revelation. So read the Word carefully

Amazing and too bad for I am 144,000 and one, By Faith I am in Chirst and Christ is in me, and as John saw reading further saw many more multitudes of people that were saved by Faith who trusted on through no matter what.
Are you being Judged right now CJordan38, have you asked for this, the fire to be turned on to burn out your flesh dross, for Christ delivered the same Holy Ghost that led him, with fire and this fire does not get turned on and hurt unless you ask for it to be turned on and boy, it can hurt deep, I know I asked and it hurt, yet am now glad I went through it, for I would not be where I am at today without it.
Love you Brother to all the greatness of Father through Son, amazing while we were yet unbelievers he went to the cross for us anyway died for us, and then risen by Father for us to be anew in the Spirit of Father alive to Father through Son's finished work the death, burial, resurrection ascension, and delivery of the Holy Spirit of Father to lead us the rest of our life here on earth. Too easy to be at rest in this fact, and the flesh just tries to do something more when it is finished by God through Son
And God is the one Faithful to carry on the good work God starts in us, I beleive, I am free for the truth has set me free, thank You Jesus and Father for this gift

 

[homwardbound]

Now remember the numbeless number..when you are sealed by God, the 144000 you are the ones God called to be an Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher. All others are in that numberless number......also same Spirit diffrent functions....everybody who has the Holy Ghost isnt sealed....if I recieve and sin am I dtill sealed? No.....you must have the Holy Ghost to be quickens dup....We will be judged in the Spirit throuh the Holy Ghost....you are judge based on works not having the Holy Ghost....

I am so sorry you have not received the ?Holy Spirit of promise ,and as it seems you are posting you are not sealed Sorry praying for you

 

[And]

uick Bible study test!



How do you tell if you are sealed?

Acts 5:32 the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that _________ him.


the holy spirit of promise is given to those who ___________.

Can you fill in the blank?

Isa 8:20 To the _______ and to the ________: if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.


Rev 19:10. The testimony of Jesus is the ________ of ____________.








________



can you see and hear the holy spirit?

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now __________ and __________

 

[And]

Is the holy spirit given to those who disobey his commandments and keep their own rules and laws and days of worship?



NO

disobedient people who teach disobedience to Gods law have a different spirit

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.


they have a different spirit

 

[psalm6819]

so what verse and chapter are we in?

 

[gamlet]

I would suggest that you create separate threads for every chapter, because the discussion can get quite involved for some portions and it's difficult to identify which part of Romans is being discussed. I'm looking forward to comment on Romans 7, and I can't monitor the progress of the thread.

 

[homwardbound]

Is the holy spirit given to those who disobey his commandments and keep their own rules and laws and days of worship?



NO

disobedient people who teach disobedience to Gods law have a different spirit

Luke 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.


they have a different spirit

The battle is: still the same as was at the time Adam and Ever ate from that tree:
Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Only thing that has Changed is Christ came, conquered flesh , and is the only one that ever has, rose again by Father's doing in Spirit and truth, and we are invited to join in on this type of fellowship, praising one another, no longer being the center of attention, true love as in 1 Cor 13:4-13

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 7, is about one considering they are dead to flesh and alive to God in Spirit. dead with Christ at the cross and alive to God at the resurrected Christ

It starts with the allegory, if a woman's husband is dead, she is freed from Law and righteously can marry another
This allegory is for us to see to be dead to Law so we are free to marry another and that other is Christ

Then it goes on to explain that if we are lead by Law we under the curse of not being able to be perfect under Law
And it is no longer you a believer under law, for you in your heart are born again by the living Spirit of God, thanks to Christ
So with the inner man you serve God , and with the flesh you serve the Law of sin and death.
There is no flesh that can please God the Father outside of Christ's alone, and that is why Paul says to reckon self dead to flesh at the cross of Christ so that you might see the new life in the Spirit of Father at the resurrected Christ in the Spirit

 

[cjordan38]

You are wrong here about the144,000. The 144,000 are from the twelve Jewish tribes. Plus the multitude that nobody could number that is mentioned n the same chapter in Revelations is the gentile nations which have also has teachers, preachers, evangelists, prophets, and many other positions of the church.

Actually your wrong. God gave that understanding to me in church while sitting and studying with my pastor who happens to be a prophet. So I know what i heard. The 144000 from the tribes of Isreal are the teachers, pastors, evangelist, prophets, apostles and people who do great works, special works. The numberless nimber are the others. And if you read the Word and have an understanding the gentiles were the people from asia, greece, rome, europe. Everyone else was a jew.

 

[cjordan38]

I am so sorry you have not received the ?Holy Spirit of promise ,and as it seems you are posting you are not sealed Sorry praying for you

Dont have to pray for me i already have the Holy Ghost and do speak in tounges as the Spirit gives utterence. So satan thee behind me. Only my father, who is the Almighty God, can judge me. A lack of knowledge is why many will perish.

 

[cjordan38]

Amazing and too bad for I am 144,000 and one, By Faith I am in Chirst and Christ is in me, and as John saw reading further saw many more multitudes of people that were saved by Faith who trusted on through no matter what.
Are you being Judged right now CJordan38, have you asked for this, the fire to be turned on to burn out your flesh dross, for Christ delivered the same Holy Ghost that led him, with fire and this fire does not get turned on and hurt unless you ask for it to be turned on and boy, it can hurt deep, I know I asked and it hurt, yet am now glad I went through it, for I would not be where I am at today without it.
Love you Brother to all the greatness of Father through Son, amazing while we were yet unbelievers he went to the cross for us anyway died for us, and then risen by Father for us to be anew in the Spirit of Father alive to Father through Son's finished work the death, burial, resurrection ascension, and delivery of the Holy Spirit of Father to lead us the rest of our life here on earth. Too easy to be at rest in this fact, and the flesh just tries to do something more when it is finished by God through Son
And God is the one Faithful to carry on the good work God starts in us, I beleive, I am free for the truth has set me free, thank You Jesus and Father for this gift

Dont down talk me. By God i am given vast knowledge and wisdom. But still it is impunitive to the knowledge and wisdom of God. The truth didnt set me free it made me free....you see you talk so much about the Holy Ghost, Jesus, and God, but do you really know God? See i have a personal relationship with him. For God i live and die. I cut off family because the scripture clearly states how can two walk togethrper unless they agree.....im knowing God more and more everyday because its not one day that i cant learn more about my God. Not everybody that confesses to know God knows him. Im only hear to tell what thus saith the Lord. He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says. In here to deliver the Word and not argue. I can care less who doesnt want to accept the truth as long as i do my job. I can care less who doesnt like me. Ill just pray God gives them an understanding and truns their mind but i will always dust my feet and walk out. For it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than those who reject, in the day of the Lord. They didnt listen or like Jesus. So i find it an honor that people dont listen and dont like me because of my Lord. Its not me but its God they resent. Ye always do resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did....so God Bless and may he give you an understanding. For a lack of knowledge will have you perish.

 

[Hoffco]

Dont down talk me. By God i am given vast knowledge and wisdom. But still it is impunitive to the knowledge and wisdom of God. The truth didnt set me free it made me free....you see you talk so much about the Holy Ghost, Jesus, and God, but do you really know God? See i have a personal relationship with him. For God i live and die. I cut off family because the scripture clearly states how can two walk togethrper unless they agree.....im knowing God more and more everyday because its not one day that i cant learn more about my God. Not everybody that confesses to know God knows him. Im only hear to tell what thus saith the Lord. He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says. In here to deliver the Word and not argue. I can care less who doesnt want to accept the truth as long as i do my job. I can care less who doesnt like me. Ill just pray God gives them an understanding and truns their mind but i will always dust my feet and walk out. For it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than those who reject, in the day of the Lord. They didnt listen or like Jesus. So i find it an honor that people dont listen and dont like me because of my Lord. Its not me but its God they resent. Ye always do resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did....so God Bless and may he give you an understanding. For a lack of knowledge will have you perish.

I can relate to your story, cjordan38. I have the same story to tell. I wish I had not told it to my new wife. When she gets mad at me ,she throws it in my face, and thinks I have a mental illness, because I will not be bossed by her. The Philippine women are very bossy. they will not be ruled. They tell haft trues to cover up their ways. I just feed my chickens, and discovered three eggs from two hens, in 8 hrs.. Is that possible? I don't think so. But mama and my wife keep saying, they have not been near my chickens this day. They are always telling me I don't know enough to care right for my hens. They are natives ,raised in the remote mountains of New Bataan, and know everything about raising hens and butching and cooking. they are very smart of the natural ways here, and I know very little, only having a little experience in New York on a 54 acre mountain farm land and forest, with a hobby of raising a few animals, and developing my wood lands with my bulldozer.

 

[Hoffco]

I had to exit quickly because my wife walked in. OUCH! I just had an other "run in" with the family, my sister on law, had left a rince pan full of clean dishes, so I asked her, "are these dishes clean or dirty?" She refused to asnwer me, and said <" I had to go out for..."? They will not answer a ? that is making them look bad, ??? they argue, rather than give the truthful answer. WHY,??? is it Pride??? Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

This cross culture marriage is very difficult., to say the least. I have to eat a lot of Crow, Why?// I am a very committed person, and I will make it work,if it kills me . I keep telling my wife, your reactions to me are going to get me killed someday, She reacts bad, I react bad in return, Her family, friend hate me, some day ,I am afraid some one will revenge her and kill me. It is scary, I always carry a knife to defend my self to the death. I am not a passivist. I hate the NPA, and the Muslim activists here. and speak out against them, I properly should keep quiet. but , I want to give these passive philippines an example of courage in the face of danger. Pray for me. Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

The Gospel according to God, thru His chosen vessel Paul. the Apostle. Te Gospel is the power of God first, so God begins with the new birth, Sanct. begun in chs 1&2 thenin chs3-5:18 God teaches Justification by Faith in the finished work of Christ. without the "deeds of the law"' not of "works" by by Grace, unmerited favor. God begin our good works in /chs1&2, because there is no conversion with out faith and good work, But Justification is begun with grace then faith and in the end we are also justified by our good works which are the proof of our living faith. THEN, in chs. 5:19-8 God returns to the new birth and to the holy life of the child of God. THEN chs. 9-11 God tells us of the return of His chosen nation of the Jews to end the world of time, with the rule of Jesus from Jerusalem for 1,000yrs. Revelation gives us the end of time with the recreation of heaven and earth where we will dwell for eternity with our elder brother Jesus. Lovre to all Hoffco

 

[homwardbound]

Dont have to pray for me i already have the Holy Ghost and do speak in tounges as the Spirit gives utterence. So satan thee behind me. Only my father, who is the Almighty God, can judge me. A lack of knowledge is why many will perish.

Okay as you asked, no problem, God does just love us both though the same
Love to you and all, God's type not man's

 

[homwardbound]

Dont down talk me. By God i am given vast knowledge and wisdom. But still it is impunitive to the knowledge and wisdom of God. The truth didnt set me free it made me free....you see you talk so much about the Holy Ghost, Jesus, and God, but do you really know God? See i have a personal relationship with him. For God i live and die. I cut off family because the scripture clearly states how can two walk togethrper unless they agree.....im knowing God more and more everyday because its not one day that i cant learn more about my God. Not everybody that confesses to know God knows him. Im only hear to tell what thus saith the Lord. He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit says. In here to deliver the Word and not argue. I can care less who doesnt want to accept the truth as long as i do my job. I can care less who doesnt like me. Ill just pray God gives them an understanding and truns their mind but i will always dust my feet and walk out. For it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah than those who reject, in the day of the Lord. They didnt listen or like Jesus. So i find it an honor that people dont listen and dont like me because of my Lord. Its not me but its God they resent. Ye always do resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did....so God Bless and may he give you an understanding. For a lack of knowledge will have you perish.

I see, so, please what does Father tell you to tell me, am I not a child of Father through Son too, I beleive as well as you say you do. Or are you more special than the rest of us here?
Please watch out for arrogance, and I say this to me as well, I do not want a messenger of Satan to buffet me, I think I would rather stay in humility and not argue or fight, trusting God's will to be done here not mine, are you agreed?