More false doctrine being spewed from some pulpit somewhere...

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santuzza

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A Facebook friend of mine posted this on her wall this morning. Apparently it was something that the actor George Takei (Sulu from the original Star Trek) posted. When I challenged my friend on this false doctrine, I was called a "pharisee" and she "unfriended" me. So, what do you all think of this reasoning?

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Spokenpassage

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Oh my goodness! I saw a friend of mine post this too, we ended a bitter argument earlier today about this. I wasn't trying to be rude to her, I just told her that if she is going to post what the bible says it should be accurate...
 
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Tintin

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Haha! Yeah, I got called a homophobe, unloving and worse, not a true Christian, for lovingly opposing this message on a friend's Facebook page (not by her but by her friends - Christian and non). Where do many Christians get the idea that Jesus is just about love and nothing else matters?
 
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OwenHeidenreich

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People are born with attraction to the opposite sex. I believe having sex with the same gender is a sin, but i believe that being gay is not a sin. see, you can be gay and resist your sexual impulses.
 
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Ugly

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I saw a Christian post this on FB as well. I didn't bother commenting. Not going to change anything.
 
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phil112

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It is simply not true. If you were unfriended for this, you are better off as that person certainly isn't a friend in the first place. The bible, in several places, qualifies divorce when circumstances merit it. You can not say the same for homosexuality. It is always sinful.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Haha! Yeah, I got called a homophobe, unloving and worse, not a true Christian, for lovingly opposing this message on a friend's Facebook page (not by her but by her friends - Christian and non). Where do many Christians get the idea that Jesus is just about love and nothing else matters?
Alot of these campaigns have money behind them. People are paid to propagate ideas like these to influence social change.
 
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Tintin

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Alot of these campaigns have money behind them. People are paid to propagate ideas like these to influence social change.
Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
 

santuzza

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Wow. I never thought of the money angle. However, I believe that George Takei is gay, so he has his own agenda.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
Yea, if your willing to throw a couple of million dollars at spreading an idea/false teaching.....unfortunately you can sow a lot of bad seeds with that kind of money
 
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I have to say, I support what you friend posted. It's a shame she removed you from her friend's list though, since it would have been better to discuss why homosexuality should or should not be accepted.

You can support equality without condoning it.

Oh my goodness! I saw a friend of mine post this too, we ended a bitter argument earlier today about this. I wasn't trying to be rude to her, I just told her that if she is going to post what the bible says it should be accurate...
Can you explain how the post was inaccurate? The image explains that Christians should accept equality, and allow people to act on their own behalf. It never said homosexuality was okay, only that Christians should allow gays to have equal rights.

Before you address an argument, you need to understand the argument.

People are born with attraction to the opposite sex.
Obviously, this isn't necessarily the case.

Alot of these campaigns have money behind them. People are paid to propagate ideas like these to influence social change.
Considering all the funding that goes into preaching against homosexuality, your point is rather weak.

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Not once did the image state that it's okay to be gay. It stated that Christians should love the sinner. It stated that homosexuals should be treated like equals. Christians don't support laws taking away the rights of divorced people, why shouldn't homosexuals have rights? Notice, the image STILL treats homosexuality as a sin. If God's the only judge, then let him do his job. If two gay people want to shack up or marry each other, let them answer to God. Don't ban an act that isn't a part of your jurisdiction.

If people want to sin, let them have that right. Instead of forcing them from sinning by taking away their rights, give them a choice and preach to them instead. If they want to follow the word of God, then they'll choose to do so. If not, then you have to let go and let them continue in sin. Don't hate them. Don't cheer on those who ridicule them or those who harm them. Don't make them 2nd class people.
 
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santuzza

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The "pastor" in this argument is basically saying that since the church has "embraced" divorce, it should also embrace homosexuality. In truth, both are sins. (There are some exceptions for divorce, however). If we are looking for equality, we should condemn all sin. Period. To say that we should accept/condone any sin IN THE CHURCH is a false doctrine.

Now what unsaved people outside of the church do is up to them. But in the church, saved individuals should be condemning all sin within the church.
 
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The "pastor" in this argument is basically saying that since the church has "embraced" divorce, it should also embrace homosexuality. In truth, both are sins. (There are some exceptions for divorce, however). If we are looking for equality, we should condemn all sin. Period. To say that we should accept/condone any sin IN THE CHURCH is a false doctrine.
Embracing homosexuality? What part of the image makes you think they're embracing homosexuality?

The image clearly states homosexuality is a sin.

"You know what else the Bible defines as a sin?"

The pastor stated that Christians should love the sinner. He stated that the church must support equality. In no way did he say the church should condone homosexuality, to accept it as moral. This pastor understands that if God's truly the one to judge us when we die, then we must allow God to do his job.

Now what unsaved people outside of the church do is up to them. But in the church, saved individuals should be condemning all sin within the church.
But those who do not belong to the church are having their rights infringed upon. Unsaved gays are not allowed to get married. It's their life, why not? Marriage isn't a Christian-only tradition.

Though there is an exception, the Bible does consider divorce a sin.
 
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Spokenpassage

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Percepi, if one supports sin, that's condoning it...

Condoning means..to accept and allow something immoral to continue
 

Jackson123

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Divorce is a sin, and homosexual is a sin.

We have to love our neighbor like the Pastor say, but to love mean to warn our neighbor not to agree or lie to our neighbor by saying Homosexual is OK.

We not stoned to divorce woman anymore because we are in the new testament era. We still love her by keep pray and warn her that divorce is not the will of God.

So do with the homosexual person. We keep love him, if he need help, we help him, and in the meantime keep pray for her or him.

This Pastor defined love homosexual person mean not warn him or may accept him as a member of the church.

To accept him as a member of the church will lead an outsider to think homosexuals were acceptable.

Our duty is to spread the Gospel. And the gospel prohibit homosexual.
 
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phil112

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....................................Though there is an exception, the Bible does consider divorce a sin.
An exception? "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases" Not being under bondage means one would be free to remarry. If you couldn't remarry, you would still be under bondage to the previous relationship. It can't be any clearer than that. Fornication is not the only reason for acceptable biblical divorce.
 
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phil112

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Divorce is a sin, .............................
Not according to Christ, in Matthew 5:32, nor Paul, in 1 Corinthians 7:15.
It can be, true, but don't throw a blanket over it. By that I mean one definition doesn't fit all circumstances.
 

Jackson123

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Not according to Christ, in Matthew 5:32, nor Paul, in 1 Corinthians 7:15.
It can be, true, but don't throw a blanket over it. By that I mean one definition doesn't fit all circumstances.
Yup, thank for correction. There is certain situation that divorce is OK. Overall, the Lord doesn't like divorce.
 
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phil112

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Yup, thank for correction. There is certain situation that divorce is OK. Overall, the Lord doesn't like divorce.
Thanks for not going nuclear when I post scripture to clarify your statement. Some would have, you know. :)