More false doctrine being spewed from some pulpit somewhere...

[Angela53510]

I just saw this post on FB about 2 minutes ago! I also ignored it. I felt sorry for the person who was the victim of the LGTB propaganda.

I would think that paying money to get people to accept this is also a sin?? Opinions?

As for the Christians who accept it, well, that is a different story.

 

[phil112]

I just so this post on FB about 2 minutes ago! I also ignored it. I felt sorry for the person who was the victim of the LGTB propaganda.

I would think that paying money to get people to accept this is also a sin?? Opinions?

As for the Christians who accept it, well, that is a different story.

I may just be jaded, but I am suspicious of the motive behind a preacher that would present this topic in such a manner. It may just be a made up thing, I have no way of knowing one way or the other.

 

[santuzza]

Yes, Angela53510, I believe that a person who accepts money to promote this false doctrine is also sinning. In their own way, they are promulgating the lies.

Another thing that rankles me about this supposed message from this supposed pastor is the bias he interjects. Notice that there are only a "few" Scripture passages that speak against homosexuality, but there are "countless" passages that condemn divorce. Clearly he's trying to set this up by making divorce look worse than homosexuality, and since we've accepted divorce, we should most certainly accept homosexuality. So wrong!

 

[skipp]

I may just be jaded, but I am suspicious of the motive behind a preacher that would present this topic in such a manner. It may just be a made up thing, I have no way of knowing one way or the other.

It sounds made up to me. Someone has written it as propaganda. It's not "loving ones neighbor" when you encourage your neighbor to remain in sin.

 

[Tintin]

I know that there are some pastors who support homosexuality but this particular exchange does sound made up.

 

[santuzza]

I wouldn't be surprised is George Takei wrote it himself.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

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[gamlet]

It is simply not true. If you were unfriended for this, you are better off as that person certainly isn't a friend in the first place. The bible, in several places, qualifies divorce when circumstances merit it. You can not say the same for homosexuality. It is always sinful.

Pride is always sinful. Covetousness is always sinful. Adulterous lust is always sinful; etc. etc.

So why don't I hear the same objections to these as I do when you say homosexuality is always sinful. I think it's because these are general sins. Everybody's guilty. So if you condemn these sins, nobody gets hurt. But if you condemn homosexuality, there's a specific group you're condemning. You're also excusing your own sinfulness. That's what happens when you condemn others.

 

[TaylorTG]

Yes, Percepi has a point. That pastor's sermon didn't endorse homosexaility. Rather, it encourages us to not judge homosexuals.


If I protect a military soldier by hiding him from the enemy troops and performing first-aid on him, I'm not necessarily defending what that military soldier did, (what he did ---> killed my next door neighbors... o_o) I'm just trying to prevent more blood from being shed. (Of course this military soldier could come back and shoot me, but hey, lets hope he didn't that evil! I'm just trying to be compassionate, don't shoot me please!)

 

[Agricola]

Problem with this is that Christians have fallen into the trap set decades ago by the Homosexual agenda, which is also supported by atheists hoping to use this as a weapon to destroy Christianity. Result is warfare with many right wing Christian groups reacting as if homosexuals the enemy, portraying them as evil dangerous sub-humans who should be strung up or burned at the stake.

Truth is homosexuals are normal people, no different from anyone else. Since homosexuality has been legalised, thier lifestyle is now acceptable and they are able to practice this without fear of being thrown into prison. Of course this is incompatible with what God tells us, just because something is a law does not mean its right.

There are plenty of other laws which allow people to legally do, what the Bible clearly states as immoral, such as living together as a married couple but without being married, where are all the outraged mobs condemning these people?

Homosexuality is a side issue, people go to Hell for rejecting Christ, not being homosexual. We are supposed to teach love, not hate. Leave the wrath, hate and judgement to God. Once someone has accepted Christ, then its between them and God as to what happens. Over time genuine believers are transformed, addictions and unhealthy activities are broken and peoples lives are changed. I can see this in my own life.

Another problem we see is that Christians try to force homosexuals to instantly stop their activities and tell them God will cure them. Oh dear. Yes that maybe true, but that is not a way to win people over.

Again I say that all we need to do is tell people that Jesus loves them and that they can know Jesus themselves regardless of what their life style is or what they get up to, if they reject Jesus they go to Hell, that's it plain and simple, fishers of men, winning people for Jesus, bring them to Jesus, if they want to know they will accept and follow, then leave the rest up to Christ and Holy Spirit, its not our job to change peoples lifestyles and choices, that is Gods.

 

[paulsfam4]

we cant love sin and the lord! This has been a trend in some churches. God will hold us accountable. Yes we are to love thy neighbor ! but we are not to love a sinful behavior or support that behavior in anyway! we are to flee from sin and live as Christ lived. where this comes from is the use of the love of the lord towards everyone but not the consequences of sin that keeps us from the lord.

 

[Agricola]

Being friendly, warm and open to someone is not accepting the things they do as being right. If we all ran away from anything sinful we would all be troglodytes with no internet. Did Christ run away from sin? No he walked amongst and engaged with the filth and perverted dregs of society and showed love. This is what we should strive towards, not standing in front of homosexuals and spitting venom at them that they are disgusting filth who will go to hell for their pervert acts.

 

[okeyxyz]

Marriage is not a christian-only matter. It is legally open to anybody who chooses, and since marriage is now legally redefined as not exclusive to opposite sexes, then you should allow non-believers/non-practicers to do as they wish. Christians should not be reaching beyond their churches to force others to do their doctrines.

Just as christians should not force christian doctrines upon others, homosexual marriages also should not be forced on churches for doctrinal recognition. There's no such thing (and can never be..) as christian gay marriage. It is strictly secular.

 

[phil112]

Pride is always sinful. Covetousness is always sinful. Adulterous lust is always sinful; etc. etc.

So why don't I hear the same objections to these as I do when you say homosexuality is always sinful. I think it's because these are general sins. (1) Everybody's guilty. So if you condemn these sins, nobody gets hurt. But (2)if you condemn homosexuality, there's a specific group you're condemning. (3)You're also excusing your own sinfulness. (4)That's what happens when you condemn others.

1. That isn't true.
2. Again, not true. The act of homosexuality is what is condemned, not the person.
3. I have no clue how you got here from there. That is a reach.
4. If you want that to make sense to me, you'll have to elaborate.

 

[Nautilus]

I can understand this to a point. The current obsession christianity as a whole has with homosexuality is near inconceivable. Everywhere you look its christians vs gays. Why is this? You never see the same fervor behind christians vs adulterers for example.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

One reason is because homosexuals have grasped the handles of government and are busy indoctrinating our children homosexually via a public education system that was never meant to be a homosexual indoctrination center.

Another would be that they are passing laws to severely persecute us if we refuse to facilitate events that are normatively immoral.

I can compile a list of very important, very real, and very present dangerous threats to Christians originating from people who choose to engage in homosexual acts with each other.

In contrast, I am unaware of a socio-political adulterer agenda with an adulterer lobby that has garnered the government's and about half of the nation's support to seek forced indoctrination, forced compliance with severe persecution resulting if compliance is refused, etc... and actively executing same upon Christians.

Often, I question the level of your intelligence Nautilus as it appears to be materially lacking.

I can understand this to a point. The current obsession christianity as a whole has with homosexuality is near inconceivable. Everywhere you look its christians vs gays. Why is this? You never see the same fervor behind christians vs adulterers for example.

 

[gzusfrk]

I can understand this to a point. The current obsession christianity as a whole has with homosexuality is near inconceivable. Everywhere you look its christians vs gays. Why is this? You never see the same fervor behind christians vs adulterers for example.

I think if you ask most adulterers for an honest answer if what they are doing is wrong, most would say yes, this not the case with homosexuality, they beleive what there doing is ok. I think that is some of the problem.

 

[crossnote]

Marriage is not a christian-only matter. It is legally open to anybody who chooses, and since marriage is now legally redefined as not exclusive to opposite sexes, then you should allow non-believers/non-practicers to do as they wish. Christians should not be reaching beyond their churches to force others to do their doctrines.

Who is stopping them?...unless you are saying one can no longer vote against, preach against or warn about from God's Word. Not reach beyond our Churches? Whaaa? Oh so it's to your ghetto for Christians?

Just as Christians should not force christian doctrines upon others, homosexual marriages also should not be forced on churches for doctrinal recognition. There's no such thing (and can never be..) as christian gay marriage. It is strictly secular.

Don't you realize us Christians live in society too and are not just in Churches.? That's internment camp mentality.

 

[Jackson123]

I think if you ask most adulterers for an honest answer if what they are doing is wrong, most would say yes, this not the case with homosexuality, they beleive what there doing is ok. I think that is some of the problem.

I agree, we as christian not persecute homosexual, we just say that we not agree with homosexuality.

 

[phil112]

I think if you ask most adulterers for an honest answer if what they are doing is wrong, most would say yes, this not the case with homosexuality, they beleive what there doing is ok. I think that is some of the problem.

That is patently false. How many adulterers do you know, or have ever heard of, that do it openly? Why do you think they hide it from their spouse? Why do you think there are so many divorces because of it? I have never hear of one adulterer, outside of bigamy, that thinks what they do is okay. Now you might find some that try to justify it, but they know good and well it is wrong. Not other reason to hide it.