SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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Yep. . .every time it makes a ruling, it must get the vote of the people first.
It is without authority in itself.
Got it!
You are wasting your time and ours here.
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Sinnner
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LT
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False premise: security in salvation means we can go on sinning without consequence.
False motive: we should do good works and not sin so we don't go to hell.
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True motive: we should do good works and not sin to show the love that our Savior has already shown us.
NOW we're down to your unbelief in the final authority of Scripture.
The Scriptures themselves give the origin of their authority, they are from God (2Tim 3:16), not men.
The apostles themselves give evidence of viewing the apostolic writings as equal in authority
to the OT Scriptures, as is seen in
Peter's grouping of Paul's writings with the "other Scriptures" (2Pe 3:16), and
Paul's reference (1Tim 5:18b) to Luke's statement (Lk 10:7) as "Scripture says."
But nowhere do we find in the Scriptures that anyone has authority over them.
No fallen man has authority over them,
all men sit under them and
all men are informed, judged, saved and condemned according to them.
God shares his power and authority over them with no fallen man.
When it comes to God and his truth, there is no "balance of power" between the executive,
the legislative and the judicial, for he, and he alone, is all of them.
Right, wrong or indifferent, the fact of the matter is that
we do not have the same final authority regarding the word of God written (2Tim 316).
My final authority is the Scriptures themselves,
yours is not.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to see the logic that
that leaves no bases for resolving differences between us.
So you are wasting your time and ours here.
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You also do not know or understand the Scriptures well enough to represent them correctly.
You are wasting your time and ours here.[/QUOTH]
it seems that you have this same canned arrogant response to everybody that would dare to disagree with you. It is highly unprofessional and rude. Just what do you hope to gain by saying this to other posters? Do you seriously think you will win anybody over with this attitude?
Non-responsive to the questions (which again demonstrates my charge of inadequate understanding).
My aim is no more than to show
you are wasting your time and ours here.
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Kerry
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What land covenant? this was a promise.
look up mediator and see if you find your made up definition, a mediator mediates between two or more parties
Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
You see the law? the law is an agreement between God and His people.
I know how to read the scriptures in context, I know not to twist them as some here do, I know you constantly run into contradiction, that is what happens when one takes scripture out of context.
A covenant is between two or more.
You are wasting your time and ours here.[/QUOTE]
Therein lies the authority of Christ. Once again you cannot refute scripture.
Yes, I believe that is what I stated.
The Gospel was given by the Holy Spirit. It was entrusted to the Body of Christ. Christ is the Head of the Body, wherein the Holy Spirit dwells. The Church is the pillar and ground of the Truth. I Tim 3:15. What higher authority might there be? Surely, it is much higher than individual man over a text.
Agreed.
But nowhere do we find in the Scriptures that anyone has authority over them.
No fallen man has authority over them,
all men sit under them and
all men are informed, judged, saved and condemned according to them.[/quote] Which is what I stated. But you have just described the basis of sola scriptura. You have self condemned.
Not individual man, but the Body over which He is Head and to which He gave the Body authority with Him.
Agreed. The Head and the Body.
You can say that again. God outweighs individual man every time. My question is why do you depend on yourself, rather than God?
Which has been confirmed for 500 years now that Scripture in itself has no authority. It is either the giver and protector of the Gospel, Christ, or individual man has usurped the authority of Christ.
You have that right. It has been right for 500 years already. Christ's Gospel from the beginning has never changed, man has never imposed his will upon it, thus usurping the authority of the Holy Spirit.
Vs, man for 500 years now has made scripture null and void with the hundreds/thousands of innovative ideas of what scripture might mean. After 500 years they still have not figured out what it might mean. I would think that after 500 years you might get the message.
If anyone is wasting time it must be you. You keep kicking against the pricks and just cannot refute scripture. It is hard to impose one's innovative ideas upon scripture, and no man has yet been successful after 2000 years. I don't think I need to worry about your efforts.
It might be rude, but then Christians have been persecuted far worse than just mere rudeness. On the other hand, it does show his ignorance everytime he states it. He has not been correct yet.
All covenants are promises.
You're joking with me, right?
If not, go learn what makes a promise a covenant.
Aw, gee.
Unilateral does not mean only one party is involved in the covenant.
Now go learn what a unilateral covenant between two parties is.
Are you messing with me?
Now go and learn the meaning of the new covenant.
Okay, what you do not understand (which is everything above), ask me and I will explain it to you.
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My final authority is Scripture, yours is not.
Without a common final authority to resolve opposing differences,
you are wasting your time and ours here.
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Previously addressed. . .the church there is the "household" of God, all those in Christ.
What part of "my final authority is Scripture, yours is not," and
"therefore we have no common final authority by which to resolve opposing differences"
do you not understand?
You are wasting your time and ours here.
restating unfounded assertions, even those already shown to be incorrect, does not help your cause. They just show your ignorance even more.
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eternally-gratefull
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No. Our justification is our salvation
No. We are still DEAD in sin, if we have not been justified, Thus we still need saved from the wrath that is to come (eternal judgment)
Go trust in your works and the ability to save yourself.....I will not argue with someone who s not even born again and cannot even understand the basic principles of the oracles of Christ...Baptism is a work of righteousness and works do NOT SAVE and or CANNOT HELP ONE BE SAVED...I recommend going back to square A and start studying again.