Is there anything good in the law?

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Especially on this Easter morning, when we praise the Lord, I thank all the people who praise all of the Lord with me. I had hoped we could show that even in the holy law, God meant us to use it for a good way to live. We have only set them into deeper determination to decide law is cursing, when God meant it to show a path to blessings. I am sorry. But it is encouraging to hear those who only praise their God. God is only good, God only wants the best for us all, both here and in the life to come. Thank you all who have knowledge of that to share with me.
no problem, here is my praise and thanks...

John 1:16-17 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 

ChosenbyHim

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Thank you so much, Chosen, for knowing God meant the law for good, that it is holy.

Absolutely Redtent, you are welcome ma'am.

What also should be noted is that the curse is not the Law.

The curse was and is the penalty imposed for not keeping the Law (see Deut. 29:19-20; Lev. 26:21).
 

ChosenbyHim

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How could this be, Since moses made it clear. anyone who did not confirm ALL the words of the law and obey were cursed.

So how could the law save anyone?

The Mosaic Law was the means in which God used in the Old Testament to separate and divide the saved people from the lost.


The Israelites which obeyed the Law of Moses received forgiveness, mercy and life (Lev. 18:5).

And those Israelites who disobeyed the Law; would receive death and puinishment if they did not repent and get right (Lev. 5:17).


Deuteronomy 6:4-9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.




Deuteronomy 26:16-19

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

16 This day the Lord thy God hath commanded thee to do these statutes and judgments: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. 17 Thou hast avouched the Lord this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice: 18 and the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments; 19 and to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the Lord thy God, as he hath spoken.


Scripture clearly teaches that the Mosaic Law could be kept and it was kept.


When an Israelite violated a law, the law had a provision in it where the guilty offender could offer the proper sacrifice for the infraction, and once the sacrifice was given, the offender received atonement and was forgiven and restored. Hence, by the offender following the Law's provision made for his past offense, he was once again keeping the Law. And thereby, securing his salvation.

 
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no problem, here is my praise and thanks...

John 1:16-17 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
So you even use a bible verse that praises the law of Moses to condemn God for giving it, because the verse says the law of Christ is better!
 

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So you even use a bible verse that praises the law of Moses to condemn God for giving it, because the verse says the law of Christ is better!
No. I offer praise and thanks using only a bible verse extolling God's grace through Jesus Christ...and you found room to condemn me for using it, typical of the Pharisee spirit.

Your true colors are bleeding through.
 
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To be exact, Paul quoted that "there is no one who does good, not even one."
To be more exact, he quoted either Psalm 14 or 53 - and either psalm addresses the "fool" who says in his heart "there is no God", that is, the evildoers.
Paul lied. Jesus did good. Do you need some verses for that?
 

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Paul lied. Jesus did good. Do you need some verses for that?
yes

Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
(Acts 19:13-16)
 
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Paul is the man of lawlessness? You're one sorry puppy.
The whole bible is God breathed.
1 Corinth 4:15, "..you do not have many fathers. For I became your FATHER through the preaching of the gospel."

Matt 23:9, "And call no man on earth your father, for you have one Father who is in heaven."

Paul is the Father of the Christians. Christians are disciples of Paul
 

posthuman

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I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
(1 Corinthians 4:14-15, KJV)

I and my Father are one.
(John 10:30)

1 Cor. 4:15 is one sentence taken out of a paragraph. in v. 14 he introduces a metaphor or simile: "
as" my beloved sons.
if you simply read the first few lines of this letter to Corinth, you find that Paul unequivocally opens with a declaration of who our Father is:

Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

(1 Corinthians 1:3)

 
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oldthennew

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again,

'THINK NOT that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets....
for assuredly I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law
till all is fulfilled.'
(heaven and earth are STILLL here, and certainly All
has NOT been fulfilled.)

Hebrews 7:12.
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also
a change of the Law.
(draw your own conclusions in comparing these scriptures).

it clearly says that there is a CHANGE in the LAW
and Christ says that not ONE JOT or ONE TITTLE
will by no means pass from the Law till ALL be fulfilled.

(draw your own conclusions).

Isaiah 42:21.
The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake;
He will magnify the Law, and make it Honorable.

magnify means to - make it larger - powerful.
a clear example of this is that when Jesus is teaching
and He is talking about...'in old time you have heard that
you shall not commit adultry...but I say unto you,
if a man even looks upon a woman........

the point is, now we not only have to keep the Law in the letter,
but also on a higher level, and that is - in our everyday thoughts...
as it is written, 'bringing every thought into the captivity of Christ'...

contrary to popular belief, MORE is expected of the believer in Christ,
not LESS.

when Jesus Christ rules in His new Kingdom, what shall come out of Zion?
Isaiah 2:3.
 
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I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you. For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
(1 Corinthians 4:14-15, KJV)

Philemon 1:10, "I appeal to you my child Onesimus whose Father I became in my imprisonment."
You figure that one out. Don't know if the person was a baby that Paul fathered in prison or what.
 
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chubbena

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chubbena said:
According to which law did you say you are condemned? The law which came through Moses? Or what you said "the law of love" by Jesus? Which law are you talking about? Or are they one and same which we shouldn't try to separate them c.f. post #21
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”[SUP][h][/SUP]), [SUP]14 [/SUP]that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This law. given to moses, 400 years after the promise given to abraham, of which covenant I belong to.





The law says perfection. if I have broken the law I am cursed. there is no going back to the point of being perfect of my own accord. I will continue to be worthy of condemnation, if fact I will actually grow more condemned, as I continue to sin.
And your answer is?
 
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chubbena

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When the word "law" is used. it speaks of ALL the laws given to moses. They are ALL part of the :law of God" given to moses.

we can not separate them, they are one thing.
And the "law of love" you spoke about?
 
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chubbena

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#94
There were things that were good in the Law. In fact: the Law is good and holy. Paul affirms this in Rom. 7:12.

God gave the Nation of Israel His laws, statutes, and commandments to keep and to follow.

Old Testament saints were saved by keeping the Law.

And the righteousness that the Old Testament saints had was simply the righteousness of the Law. Now when people read of the righteousness of OT saints like Moses, David, or Job, a lot of times they will mistakenly equate their righteousness with sinlessness.

Righteousness in the Old Testament concerning a saint or patriarch, does not ever mean sinlessness. It just means they were righteous in that they kept the law of God.
No. They were not. In fact, there were no atonement for offending much of the ten commandments such as idolatry, not honoring parents, killing, adultery. David was guilty of the latter two and was saved by grace through His blood.
 

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#95
Paul lied. Jesus did good. Do you need some verses for that?
So throw out about half the New Testament?
Then throw out Peter since he endorsed Paul...

2 Peter 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

And then while you're at it throw out Jesus since he picked Peter.

I hope no one takes you seriously.
 

ChosenbyHim

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No. They were not. In fact, there were no atonement for offending much of the ten commandments such as idolatry, not honoring parents, killing, adultery. David was guilty of the latter two and was saved by grace through His blood.
Yes they were. They were saved by faith and works.

And the animal sacrifices and burt offerings did offer an atonement. Still though, while they did indeed offer an atonement for the transgressor, at the same time, they could not take away sins. Nor could the OT Sacrifices offer eternal redemption. Only the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ could take away sins and offer eternal redemption for all mankind.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#97
The Mosaic Law was the means in which God used in the Old Testament to separate and divide the saved people from the lost.


The Israelites which obeyed the Law of Moses received forgiveness, mercy and life (Lev. 18:5).

And those Israelites who disobeyed the Law; would receive death and puinishment if they did not repent and get right (Lev. 5:17).


Deuteronomy 6:4-9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: 5 and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7 and thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.




Deuteronomy 26:16-19

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

16 This day the Lord thy God hath commanded thee to do these statutes and judgments: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. 17 Thou hast avouched the Lord this day to be thy God, and to walk in his ways, and to keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his judgments, and to hearken unto his voice: 18 and the Lord hath avouched thee this day to be his peculiar people, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments; 19 and to make thee high above all nations which he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honour; and that thou mayest be an holy people unto the Lord thy God, as he hath spoken.


Scripture clearly teaches that the Mosaic Law could be kept and it was kept.


When an Israelite violated a law, the law had a provision in it where the guilty offender could offer the proper sacrifice for the infraction, and once the sacrifice was given, the offender received atonement and was forgiven and restored. Hence, by the offender following the Law's provision made for his past offense, he was once again keeping the Law. And thereby, securing his salvation.

1. Moses clearly showed by the law no one could be saved
2. The author of hebrews is clear. The blood of bulls and goats NEVER took away sin (the animal sacrifices were never sufficient, not one persons sins were redeemed by the slaughter of a little lamb.

They were saved the same way we are, By faith in Gods provision. They just did not know what that provision was.

 
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eternally-gratefull

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again,

'THINK NOT that I came to destroy the Law or the prophets....
for assuredly I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away,
one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the Law
till all is fulfilled.'
(heaven and earth are STILLL here, and certainly All
has NOT been fulfilled.)

Hebrews 7:12.
For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also
a change of the Law.
(draw your own conclusions in comparing these scriptures).

it clearly says that there is a CHANGE in the LAW
and Christ says that not ONE JOT or ONE TITTLE
will by no means pass from the Law till ALL be fulfilled.

(draw your own conclusions).

Isaiah 42:21.
The Lord is well pleased for His righteousness' sake;
He will magnify the Law, and make it Honorable.

magnify means to - make it larger - powerful.
a clear example of this is that when Jesus is teaching
and He is talking about...'in old time you have heard that
you shall not commit adultry...but I say unto you,
if a man even looks upon a woman........

the point is, now we not only have to keep the Law in the letter,
but also on a higher level, and that is - in our everyday thoughts...
as it is written, 'bringing every thought into the captivity of Christ'...

contrary to popular belief, MORE is expected of the believer in Christ,
not LESS.

when Jesus Christ rules in His new Kingdom, what shall come out of Zion?
Isaiah 2:3.


Not one thing changed in the law.

It was now. and aleways has been, a schoolmaster to lead Isreal. and Us, to Christ.

that did not change, it has not changed, and it will not change.

But once one is come to Christ, the law has no value, it has fulfilled it's purpose.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And your answer is?
did you not read?

This law. given to moses, 400 years after the promise given to abraham, of which covenant I belong to.




The law says perfection. if I have broken the law I am cursed. there is no going back to the point of being perfect of my own accord. I will continue to be worthy of condemnation, if fact I will actually grow more condemned, as I continue to sin.
 
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