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eternally-gratefull
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You will need to elaborate, as I don't understand your point. The whole world now has the opportunity to become God's children (descendants of Abraham) through Jesus. There are temporary things and eternal things involved here.
I believe that it did happen in or by the temple (on the pavement) - That is was in front of everyone - That God was denied by His people - And that Caesar was placed above God (in words only) by Caiaphas - And that Pontius should have never been given this task to begin with (whether of not Jesus was legitimate or a fraud, they should have dealt with it without Roman involvement)
The temple is gone - Sacrifices were stopped by God's will - The bloodline of the priests is gone - Again, God's will
Even if a temple were to be built, it would not be from God. The church is the temple - Search and find
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eternally-gratefull
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I believe that it did happen in or by the temple (on the pavement) - That is was in front of everyone - That God was denied by His people - And that Caesar was placed above God (in words only) by Caiaphas - And that Pontius should have never been given this task to begin with (whether of not Jesus was legitimate or a fraud, they should have dealt with it without Roman involvement)
The temple is gone - Sacrifices were stopped by God's will - The bloodline of the priests is gone - Again, God's will
Even if a temple were to be built, it would not be from God. The church is the temple - Search and find
so the temple in jesus day forgave sin?
Wow I did not know that, I guess jesus was wrong. And the high priest was the representative of God.
I am not trying to be sarkastic here bro. Trying to get you to think about what your saying,
The temple NEVER forgave sin..
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eternally-gratefull
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the whole world ALWAYS had this ability, even before abraham was alive.
My point is God made a covenant that in abraham (christ) all the world will be blessed.
He also said to you and your descendants I give you this land as an eternal inheritance.
The land promise NEVER was salvic in nature.
Yet it STILL is in effect. Forever means forever.
people want to replace this promise with Christ,(ie replacement theology) it was never replaced, it was still in effect.
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mrsouthside
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There are still tears, death, morning, crying, and pain. All of the living and the dead have yet to be judged sin and death is still around us. If everything happened already then how come we still cry, we still sin, we still morn, and death is all around us.
Quote where I said that the temple or animal sacrifices removed sin.....I did not! And if I implied it somehow, the implication certainly was not intentional. I don't have to review something that I did not say. The animal sacrifices rolled back sins, but never forgave them. All sins (OT and NT) were forgiven in Jesus.
Acts 5:41 So they went on their way from the presence of the Council, rejoicing that they had been considered worthy to suffer shame for His name.
1 Thessalonians 4:13 [ Those Who Died in Christ ] But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.
Acts 16:22-30
The crowd rose up together against them, and the chief magistrates tore their robes off them and proceeded to order them to be beaten with rods. [SUP]23 [/SUP]When they had struck them with many blows, they threw them into prison, commanding the jailer to guard them securely; [SUP]24 [/SUP]and he, having received such a command, threw them into the inner prison and fastened their feet in the stocks.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns of praise to God, and the prisoners were listening to them; [SUP]26 [/SUP]and suddenly there came a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison house were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and everyone’s chains were unfastened. [SUP]27 [/SUP]When the jailer awoke and saw the prison doors opened, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped. [SUP]28 [/SUP]But Paul cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Do not harm yourself, for we are all here!” [SUP]29 [/SUP]And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, [SUP]30 [/SUP]and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
This is the escape from mourning, suffering, and pain....We consider God to be in complete control and we should rejoice to suffer for His name. I do not believe that this is saying that we will not have any more troubles (look at Paul's life), but that we can always rejoice in the Lord.
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kennethcadwell
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God showed Ezekiel a vision of a third temple to be built.
I believe that it did happen in or by the temple (on the pavement) - That is was in front of everyone - That God was denied by His people - And that Caesar was placed above God (in words only) by Caiaphas - And that Pontius should have never been given this task to begin with (whether of not Jesus was legitimate or a fraud, they should have dealt with it without Roman involvement)
The temple is gone - Sacrifices were stopped by God's will - The bloodline of the priests is gone - Again, God's will
Even if a temple were to be built, it would not be from God. The church is the temple - Search and find
Yes, I know, everyone is always talking about the Legos of the bible. When it clearly doesn't mention Legos.
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Kerry
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Why would God skip over the second temple? The third temple is the one made without human hands, made by Christ himself where as the disciples are it's foundation and the prophets it's gates, and we the saints are a living stone in that temple. Those who belong to God are His temple. No need for a physical one. The bible never talks about a 3rd earthly/physical temple being built!
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RachelBibleStudent
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neither of your proof texts is actually a case of days representing years in the giving of a future prophecy!
in numbers God is giving a punishment of one year in the desert for each day of exploration of the land of canaan...God is -not- saying they will wander in the desert for 'forty days' but actually meaning forty years...
in ezekiel God is having the prophet act out -past events-...and nowhere in this verse either does God say something is forty days while meaning that it is forty years...
so these verses do not support a 'day year principle'...in fact there is no scriptural support at all for any 'day year principle'
It is so much easier to have everything as "supernatural" and "Spiritual", we can then create so much more with agendas, such as stating "The kingdom is within us, there is no need for a physical" or "the spiritual church is now within Christians", which with some American nutters make the association that all perfect Christians are Americans, after all Americans only speak perfect Language and read the King James Bible, therefore assume that USA is the new kingdom.
Problem is the emergence of Israel as a nation in 1948, which now we have to deal with, zone was good at sweeping that under the carpet with the zionist agenda, but hey ho, America still continues as the new Kingdom.
Another flaw is that we are supposed to now be in the 1000 year rule, but are we not told Christ will come to sit on the throne? Well supernatural strikes again, of course Christ is sitting on the throne, has been since his ascension, but that was 2,000 years ago, not 1,000 so have we missed Armegedon? No? Wait, that was supernatural as well?
SO where is the perfect peace in amongst all this? do we seen Eden like existence with animals sitting down with each other instead of trying to kill? Have we had even an hour of perfect peace on this planet without someone trying to kill each other? Or is all that some kind of spiritual metaphor ?
SO what about temples? Oh silly me, thats all spiritual in us as well.... yes right, that is why the next temple has been made and in storage, I kid you not, the Temple Institute has been busy over the decades making all the interiors and all the fancy stone work, uniforms, ceremonial robes, musical instruments and so on, but I guess they wasted thier time as it is all spiritual and non-existent in the physical.
When you sit back and look how hard you all have to work to justify all these ridiculous interpretations of prophecy, just one little incorrect theory has a huge rippling through scriptures, you can not just change one little thing and sit back and think "oh yes that is spiritual", if you continue to study and follow through, its like a huge ball of wool made up of dozens of threads all coming undone, you have to work jolly hard to justify each unravelling, and as you do so you find that other scripture then conflicts with what you have. This is when we end up with countless of hours of video and half a million words posted in an attempt to educate everyone that everything really is just spiritual and everything has happened and that everything will not be happening physically.
Meanwhile people believing this will ignore the Anti-christ and the one world rule as after all that can not be happening, as it already has happened spiritually!
Problem is the emergence of Israel as a nation in 1948, which now we have to deal with, zone was good at sweeping that under the carpet with the zionist agenda, but hey ho, America still continues as the new Kingdom.
Another flaw is that we are supposed to now be in the 1000 year rule, but are we not told Christ will come to sit on the throne? Well supernatural strikes again, of course Christ is sitting on the throne, has been since his ascension, but that was 2,000 years ago, not 1,000 so have we missed Armegedon? No? Wait, that was supernatural as well?
SO where is the perfect peace in amongst all this? do we seen Eden like existence with animals sitting down with each other instead of trying to kill? Have we had even an hour of perfect peace on this planet without someone trying to kill each other? Or is all that some kind of spiritual metaphor ?
SO what about temples? Oh silly me, thats all spiritual in us as well.... yes right, that is why the next temple has been made and in storage, I kid you not, the Temple Institute has been busy over the decades making all the interiors and all the fancy stone work, uniforms, ceremonial robes, musical instruments and so on, but I guess they wasted thier time as it is all spiritual and non-existent in the physical.
When you sit back and look how hard you all have to work to justify all these ridiculous interpretations of prophecy, just one little incorrect theory has a huge rippling through scriptures, you can not just change one little thing and sit back and think "oh yes that is spiritual", if you continue to study and follow through, its like a huge ball of wool made up of dozens of threads all coming undone, you have to work jolly hard to justify each unravelling, and as you do so you find that other scripture then conflicts with what you have. This is when we end up with countless of hours of video and half a million words posted in an attempt to educate everyone that everything really is just spiritual and everything has happened and that everything will not be happening physically.
Meanwhile people believing this will ignore the Anti-christ and the one world rule as after all that can not be happening, as it already has happened spiritually!
this is that bizarre mix of ccog with sda and all the other sects.
they need the day year principle for some things, but can't use it for others. there is, as you stated clearly NO day year principle.
You do know that the bible says that Jesus sat on his throne in the NT? The church that I attend says that we are in the 1,000 year reign, but I am not sure about that. I do think that most likely the 1,000 years is actually 1,000 years so it does not fit. The thousand year reign is one of the most troubling part of the Revelation because I don't know how it fits in. Other interpretations have there problems in other places.
2 Samuel 7:13-16
"He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. "I will be a father to him and he will be a son to Me; when he commits iniquity, I will correct him with the rod of men and the strokes of the sons of men, but My loving kindness shall not depart from him, as I took it away from Saul, whom I removed from before you. "Your house and your kingdom shall endure before Me forever; your throne shall be established forever."
Isaiah 9:7
"There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this."
Isaiah 16:5
"A throne will even be established in loving kindness, And a judge will sit on it in faithfulness in the tent of David; Moreover, he will seek justice And be prompt in righteousness."
Zechariah 6:12-13
"Then say to him, 'Thus says the LORD of hosts, "Behold, a man whose name is Branch, for He will branch out from where He is; and He will build the temple of the LORD. "Yes, it is He who will build the temple of the LORD, and He who will bear the honor and sit and rule on His throne. Thus, He will be a priest on His throne, and the counsel of peace will be between the two offices."
Psalm 89:3-4
"I have made a covenant with My chosen; I have sworn to David My servant, I will establish your seed forever And build up your throne to all generations."
Acts 2:29-36
"Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. "And so, because he was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY.
"This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses.
"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.
"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET." '
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified."