Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[eternally-gratefull]

People are so unlearned, look at what you just said. Salvation doesnt save you. Salvation is given to all. Just as this mythical santa clause gives children gifts. Its either they accept them or they dont. You like it or you dont. Choose ye this day whom ye will serve. Salvation works the same way. And clearly you didnt read my response......

Yeah people are so unlearned.

1. If someone holds up a gift to you. It does not mean you have recieved it, it means the gift has APPEARED to you.
2. If a gift is shown to you. it does not mean you have been given it. It means it is OFFERED.
3. You said everyone is saved, and paul proved this in titus, this is NOT TRUE. no matter how you try to twist it.
4. Santa? Salvation is not like santa, Santa gives gifts to everyone, and they may snuff their noses at a gift. but the gift is still THEIRS, it is their property to do what they wish, Salvation is NO ONE property but God's.
5. Chose this day to whome you will serve? What does that have to do with salvation? You can not serve God unless you are saved, all you can do is serve self. we must be BORN again before we can serve God.

this everyone is saved universalism is from Satan, You have two possible positions in the spiritual world.

1. Dead to Christ. on your way to eternal judgment, NEEDING SAVED
2. ALIVE to Christ, Having been SAVED from his wrath through his blood.

I clearly did read your response. You clearly do not understand what salvation is.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So a man who spent his whole day walking in the Light, having fellowship with his Father and Brother and waited upon God before acting, letting his light so shine that people would come to him inquiring of that Spirit within, to one day to have that ripped completely out of him by an unthoughtful act, never was saved? Never knew Them?

I beg to differ, it can be lost. If you only knew such sorrow it inflicts upon a soul, how it grasps at anything to lessening the aching emptiness left behind, you would never say what you just said, but all the more, seek to keep others from knowing that knee buckling hurt of having lost that most precious gem.

So a child so trustfull of his parent, who always lead him right, One day gets that ripped out of him because of an unthoughtful act. And that parent who cared for him, loved him, took care of him, is going to kick that child out of his family, and say I am no longer your father?

Brother clutz I love ya bro. But this thinking that God would kick us out because we did something, or lost faith in him because of some reason is just out there..

Your saying that a human parent is more loving than the God of the univers, say it is not so!!!

 

[Cassian]

"However, the overall weight of Biblical evidence points to the conclusion that a person who goes on willfully sinning has either intentionally abandoned his or her faith or never sincerely made a faith commitment in the first place."

is sin willful? does it require an act of the will?
this is a commentary from Hebrews which is a total misunderstanding of the passage.
there is forgiveness for sin, and we need it daily.
anyone who claims they don't doesn't understand God's Holiness or anything about him or why Jesus the Son (perfect) had to die AND perform priestly duties.
at all.

no, we do not desire to continue in sin like we did before.
we can't. we hate it. and confess it.

anyone who doesn't confess it, thinks they don't have sin. simple.

Your conclusions are half right. If a person returns to willful sinning does not mean necessarily they were never believers. In fact this is the major reason believers fall. It is why the view of instant salvation is a myth.
A lack of confession is not that they don't have sin but that they don't care any longer.

 

[Jabberjaw]

So a child so trustfull of his parent, who always lead him right, One day gets that ripped out of him because of an unthoughtful act. And that parent who cared for him, loved him, took care of him, is going to kick that child out of his family, and say I am no longer your father?

Brother clutz I love ya bro. But this thinking that God would kick us out because we did something, or lost faith in him because of some reason is just out there..

Your saying that a human parent is more loving than the God of the univers, say it is not so!!!

Look at the story of the Prodigal Son, the Son did not have to return, had he not he would still be lost, but he repented and like a good father, the Son was restored...

 

[Jabberjaw]

Yeah people are so unlearned.

1. If someone holds up a gift to you. It does not mean you have recieved it, it means the gift has APPEARED to you.
2. If a gift is shown to you. it does not mean you have been given it. It means it is OFFERED.
3. You said everyone is saved, and paul proved this in titus, this is NOT TRUE. no matter how you try to twist it.
4. Santa? Salvation is not like santa, Santa gives gifts to everyone, and they may snuff their noses at a gift. but the gift is still THEIRS, it is their property to do what they wish, Salvation is NO ONE property but God's.
5. Chose this day to whome you will serve? What does that have to do with salvation? You can not serve God unless you are saved, all you can do is serve self. we must be BORN again before we can serve God.

this everyone is saved universalism is from Satan, You have two possible positions in the spiritual world.

1. Dead to Christ. on your way to eternal judgment, NEEDING SAVED
2. ALIVE to Christ, Having been SAVED from his wrath through his blood.

I clearly did read your response. You clearly do not understand what salvation is.

So you admit man "must do something" to get the free gift?

 

[Apostol2013]

We are saved by Grace.. Once saved always saved.

Thats not what the bible teaches that is called a heresy a false doctrine

 

[kennethcadwell]

I do still have sin in my life. The willful sinner the bible speaks of one who does it without sorrow, sadness, conviction, and no need to repent because they feel they are doing nothing wrong.

"However, the overall weight of Biblical evidence points to the conclusion that a person who goes on willfully sinning has either intentionally abandoned his or her faith or never sincerely made a faith commitment in the first place."

is sin willful? does it require an act of the will?
this is a commentary from Hebrews which is a total misunderstanding of the passage.
there is forgiveness for sin, and we need it daily.
anyone who claims they don't doesn't understand God's Holiness or anything about him or why Jesus the Son (perfect) had to die AND perform priestly duties.
at all.

no, we do not desire to continue in sin like we did before.
we can't. we hate it. and confess it.

anyone who doesn't confess it, thinks they don't have sin. simple.

 

[Apostol2013]

To willfully and repeatedly sin is dangerous now salvation can be lost at any point o.ce you are saved there is a citizenship we must take and to be absolutely sinless is imposible but we must walk as lambs to the slaughter daily confessing and truly walking in repentance the book of psalms even speaks on this subject but at a point in a believers life they will be near perfect not by self power but by the holy Ghost and the word combined in their lives i am a witness that this is true for what is impossible for man is very possible for God

 

[Cassian]

Look at the story of the Prodigal Son, the Son did not have to return, had he not he would still be lost, but he repented and like a good father, the Son was restored...

What you fail to understand is that it is NOT about God's love. He loves all men. He makes no distinctions.
It is about man. Does man return that love. Whether he does love or not love, is not dependent upon God.

 

[LT]

What you fail to understand is that it is NOT about God's love. He loves all men. He makes no distinctions.
It is about man. Does man return that love. Whether he does love or not love, is not dependent upon God.

where is that in Scripture? that sounds great, but has no standing from a Biblical worldview.

 

[cfultz3]

Then argue with John, I will not because I believe every word that John wrote was inspired by GOD.

1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

Now do you also want to argue with JESUS that HE PRAYED IN VAIN?

John 17:9-15 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine:
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and all things that are mine are thine, and thine are mine: and I am glorified in them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] While I was with them, I kept them in thy name which thou hast given me: and I guarded them, and not one of them perished, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But now I come to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they may have my joy made full in themselves.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I have given them thy word; and the world hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one.

John 17:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I pray not only for these, but also for those who believe in Methrough their message.

John 10:28-30 (HCSB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
[SUP]30 [/SUP] The Father and I are one.”

In the Parable of the Gates, there are NO people that parable that Are Not claiming to be a Christian. The MANY on the Broad Road to Destruction all think they are Christians, while NOT one of them really are. ONLY those who come through the Narrow Gate are genuine Christians.

Although I had fellowship with them and had that ripped out of me, I was never saved to begin with? So if one is having a fellowship with God and walking in the Light, that is not a guarantee of having salvation?

 

[LT]

Although I had fellowship with them and had that ripped out of me, I was never saved to begin with? So if one is having a fellowship with God and walking in the Light, that is not a guarantee of having salvation?

Fellowship with God means you are saved. (Unless you are Judas. But he was the only one lost according to Scripture)

One can fake having fellowship, and be doing 'good works', but if there is no faith, then they are empty words and deeds. Like 'dirty rags'.
If you have a relationship with God, you are guaranteed, because you have been reconciled with the Father.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Romans 2:11 For there is no partiality with God.

or

Romans 2:11 There is no favoritism with God.


Depending on which version of the bible you have, and there are other versions but they all point the same way. God does not chose ( or show favoritism ) to just some and count others out in my opinion.

 

[homwardbound]

Maybe you should ask Adam. He forfeited his salvation, being made into the Likeness of God.
And not only that, he did not live in a sinful environment yet, nor did he have a mortal nature as yet. Yet he still fell. And yoiu think you are impervious to falling?

You misunderstand that is the reason Father sent his son, because no flesh after the similitude of Adam can be perfect

We are forgiven and reconciled by the death and resurrection of Christ
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

Do you not get this, you come back and say you do, but not in you, as yuo are very busy working out your own salvation in fear and trembling and not moving on to the resurrected Christ where he comes to live in Spirit through you, if you will get self out of the way
Love you, praying you see through and be relived from the stress and worry you are in, God does just love you deep, no matter what you do or not do, it is deep so dig deep and ask God how deep?

 

[cfultz3]

So a child so trustfull of his parent, who always lead him right, One day gets that ripped out of him because of an unthoughtful act. And that parent who cared for him, loved him, took care of him, is going to kick that child out of his family, and say I am no longer your father?

Yes, my friend. It did happen. You see, He did not leave me, I left Him. He did not kick me out, but after that unthoughtful act, I told Him that if that was love, I wanted nothing to do with Love. Boy, why did I say that!!!!! I kicked Him out, you see. Don't get me wrong, as I saw Him leave, I asked Him to return. Hmmm, as He turned around to look at me, He said no.

But, you are right, He did not kick me out, I kicked Him out and to this day, how I miss that fellowship.

Brother clutz I love ya bro. But this thinking that God would kick us out because we did something, or lost faith in him because of some reason is just out there..

Correct, He was faithful and did not kick me out. But trust me, I kicked Him out and with my own eyes, His Spirit I did see leave me. Yet you say that if I lost faith in Him that He would not kick me out, although it is faith which does save. So, are you saying that I am saved even though I would not have faith in Him? No, my friend, my faith saves me, although I have no such delightful existence in the Light as I once had.

Your saying that a human parent is more loving than the God of the univers, say it is not so!!!

No, it is not so. He loved me, I wanted nothing to do with love if love was defined by that unthoughtful act inflicted upon my heart.

Consider my words, He is faithful, but we can always kick Him out though.

 

[LT]

Romans 2:11 For there is no partiality with God.

or

Romans 2:11 There is no favoritism with God.


Depending on which version of the bible you have, and there are other versions but they all point the same way. God does not chose ( or show favoritism ) to just some and count others out in my opinion.

you are really really misinterpreting that verse.
Partiality and favoritism mean that God is not choosing based on ethnicity (Jew or Gentile), gender (male or female), job (slave or free), or based on works!

He does choose, but in His wisdom, and without partiality to any race.

Read the context man.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I do read the context and God's way of how He choses is based on when His word is given the ones who hear are chosen. People who believe that God personal takes for example 100 people and says you 30 are welcome in heaven, but the other 70 of you are cast out no matter what you do is false teaching.

This gives ammunition to those to have pride thinking they are better than others...Which is wrong !!!

you are really really misinterpreting that verse.
Partiality and favoritism mean that God is not choosing based on ethnicity (Jew or Gentile), gender (male or female), job (slave or free), or based on works!

He does choose, but in His wisdom, and without partiality to any race.

Read the context man.

 

[homwardbound]

I see to say this about those that have not had the Spirit of Father say to them yet:

As I said to those two that came to my door at the age of nine I was at that time, I was asked by these two, if I knew that only 144,000 people are going to Heaven?
I replied if that is true, then it is too bad then. They perplexed and looking straight at me I said I am 144,001, and closed the door
Christ is the one that saves if one believes Father starts this good work in us and one day Father's Spirit testifies with ours and we know we are saved, thanks to Father confirming this in us, praying you get the confirmation from Father personally as you all are trying to be right, when God is the only one right, and for me I am glad to be smothered and covered in Father through Son, where I am at rest for eternity
OSAS, after Father confirms this in you, otherwise the evil keeps spreading doubt and works of ones flesh in order to be saved, which is error to truth, and flesh ours just can't please Father ever

 

[homwardbound]

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

 

[LT]

I do read the context and God's way of how He choses is based on when His word is given the ones who hear are chosen. People who believe that God personal takes for example 100 people and says you 30 are welcome in heaven, but the other 70 of you are cast out no matter what you do is false teaching.

This gives ammunition to those to have pride thinking they are better than others...Which is wrong !!!

No, that is not true. We have nothing to boast in except Christ, and we should boast in Christ. He didn't save us because of who we are or what we did, but for His own purpose and intent,out of His goodness and love.

it is not 30 welcomed 70 cast out, but 100 choosing to be cast out. Then God goes out and drags a few back in.
Man doesn't seek God. God is reaching out to man.