Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

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I must give you credit for being consistent. Were you to read my posts and not just act like you are replying, you will never find my having stated all the laws are to be followed. You would find, however, I have posted on numerous occasions that God gave bad laws that ought not be followed, and we know the difference by learning from the Master Yeshua. You would also know I have posted the laws requiring physical presence in Israel cannot be valid, nor those concerning the Temple, and of course those concerning sacrifice and tithing according to the law. No, you have never understood anything posted by me. As for skirting any issue, this is exactly what you have done here, getting back to the all the Laws because you seem to love the subject. Sorry, your reason does not float. Unless you read what I post as an OP or in response, please do not reply at all. God bless you..............jack
You apparently did not understand my post. I was saying if you are attemting to 'keep' the MOSAIC Laws as prescribed, you must keep the whole of them and not just pick and choose. They come as a total package including the ceremonial and civil.
You say ''all the laws do not to be followed'', well sir, that is foreign to the Mosaic Covenant. You can't just chuck the physical laws saying they are not valid etc., it's all or nothing with the Mosaic Covenant, which will you choose?
 

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You apparently did not understand my post. I was saying if you are attemting to 'keep' the MOSAIC Laws as prescribed, you must keep the whole of them and not just pick and choose. They come as a total package including the ceremonial and civil.
You say ''all the laws do not to be followed'', well sir, that is foreign to the Mosaic Covenant. You can't just chuck the physical laws saying they are not valid etc., it's all or nothing with the Mosaic Covenant, which will you choose?
There are certain Laws for only man, certain Laws for only women, certain Laws only for priests (which Yahshua carries out), certain Laws only for kings, certain Laws only for land owners.

If a Law doest not fall into a specific catagory then yes one must subject them self to it if they seek obedience to Yahweh's Law.

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
 

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There are certain Laws for only man, certain Laws for only women, certain Laws only for priests (which Yahshua carries out), certain Laws only for kings, certain Laws only for land owners.

If a Law doest not fall into a specific catagory then yes one must subject them self to it if they seek obedience to Yahweh's Law.

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"
''Until all things are fulfilled'' Mt 5:18.
And Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law.
 
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How well you paint a false picture, gathering anyone who might use the Creators real name or want to follow Yahweh in truth, and bunching them up and attaching the errors of others to all.
Oh so you know his real name? How is this? Did God tell you what his real name was?

This is very vile and dishonest.

Tell me this, confirm YOUR DOCTRINE with the words of the Messiah, THEN tell me how my doctrine "take their eyes off of Christ"
Your doctrine focuses on the law. My doctrine focuses on taking the love God has shown me and sharing it with others by serving then, loving them, and doing what I can for them.

God said we should be like him, do you think he goes around obeying laws. Doing ritualistic repetitive ceremony and ritual. I do not know about you/ But i can not see God doing this. I see him loving people. Going to the sick to heal them. Leading people to help them grow. Guiding people to where he wants them to be physically and spiritually.

This is who i want to be, not some person blindly following rules and tradition and think I am godly, When I am acting nothing like Christ.


Im waiting, confirm your disregard of what you call "OT" Law with the words of Messiah?
I would confirm it, But I already failed to obey it. So I used it for what it was given, I came to Christ, and he saved me.
Confirm you discarding of anything Hebrew by the words of Messiah?
Did Abraham Speak Hebrew? How about Noah and Adam??

Why is Hebrew so special?
 

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''Until all things are fulfilled'' Mt 5:18.
And Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law.
Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them."

Are all the prophecies fulfilled? Did the Messiah make His return?

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Has heaven and earth passed? Have all things been perfected?

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
 
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It's a fad that will die out soon, Just like all the other church fads, when people begin to realize after their zeal and the feel good goes away and they are still bond and still sick. The cross will come back to the top. The same thing happened with name it and claim it and forty days of purpose and the purpose driven lif and the government of 12 and so on. Yeah there are few who still cling to it. But most have realized it's just a fad that doesn't work, It is a muse of Satan to take your faith off the cross, cause he knows that that is the only thing that works.
 

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Oh so you know his real name? How is this? Did God tell you what his real name was?



Your doctrine focuses on the law. My doctrine focuses on taking the love God has shown me and sharing it with others by serving then, loving them, and doing what I can for them.

God said we should be like him, do you think he goes around obeying laws. Doing ritualistic repetitive ceremony and ritual. I do not know about you/ But i can not see God doing this. I see him loving people. Going to the sick to heal them. Leading people to help them grow. Guiding people to where he wants them to be physically and spiritually.

This is who i want to be, not some person blindly following rules and tradition and think I am godly, When I am acting nothing like Christ.




I would confirm it, But I already failed to obey it. So I used it for what it was given, I came to Christ, and he saved me.


Did Abraham Speak Hebrew? How about Noah and Adam??

Why is Hebrew so special?
Yes I do know the real name of the Messiah, it is written in Scripture.

My focus is on obedience to Yahweh, call it Instructions, Law, whatever you choose, see, I have already accepted the Messiah, and have been changed from the person I once was, now it is time for me to not mingle with the world, sin, satan, etc. Anyone can make up their own code and follow it, but I seek to follow the Instructions of Yahweh clarified by Yahshua.

Following traditions....no I follow the command of Yahweh...but I can understand how it is easier to disregard if it is called tradition.

If one understood the Instructions/Laws of Yahweh they would know it is the perfect standard of love to Yahweh and fellow human, however when one applies a pharisee interpretation to Yahweh's Law as a testimony against it they have defeated it in their mind....

Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

Hebrew is the language Yahweh's Name was originally written in, its not the Hebrew that is special, it is Yahweh Name that is special.

What does Messiah say to those who have been cleansed?

Go and sin?

OR

Sin no more?

What is sin?
 
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Why do you put the writers name Hebrew but what is written in English. That's like buying a double fat cheese burger and an extra fat large fry with a DIET COKE.​ It just don't make sense.
 

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Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill them."

Are all the prophecies fulfilled? Did the Messiah make His return?

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Has heaven and earth passed? Have all things been perfected?

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
I believe there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled.
I also beleve Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant in that it is no longer binding on believers in Jesus.
 

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Why do you put the writers name Hebrew but what is written in English. That's like buying a double fat cheese burger and an extra fat large fry with a DIET COKE.​ It just don't make sense.
No it like retaining the pronunciation and meaning of their names.

You are entitled to you own opinion, but I believe names should be kept in pronunciation and meaning.

Mattithyah means "gift of Yahweh"

Yahchanan (John) means "Yahweh is merciful"

Hizikyah means "Yahweh will prevail"

Yahshua means "Yahweh is Salvation"

You see all these names included "Yah" in them, for Yahweh. If the pharisees, romans and satan wanted to remove Yahweh's Name removing His name for the Names of the writers of Scripture would be also necessary.

When the names are changed then meaning is lost.

Also Yahweh makes a big deal about His name, who am I to disregard that?
 

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I believe there are prophecies yet to be fulfilled.
I also beleve Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Covenant in that it is no longer binding on believers in Jesus.
I agree there are prophecies that are going to have future fulfillment.

But since Messiah Himself said:

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Heaven and earth and all things would have to be perfected for anything to pass from the Law?

And there a a number of other verses where Messiah says to follow the Law of Yahweh and not a single one where He says not to.

This is supported by Shaul:

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

It was even prophesied that evil forces would think to change the Law.

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

In the final chapter of the final revelation to mankind Yahshua promotes the keeping of the Law:

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

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Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

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Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
 
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Yes I do know the real name of the Messiah, it is written in Scripture.
oh ok. Can you show me? I know his hebrew name )or the name moses called him by) But hebrew was not the language at creation. so so again where did you get it?
My focus is on obedience to Yahweh, call it Instructions, Law, whatever you choose, see, I have already accepted the Messiah, and have been changed from the person I once was, now it is time for me to not mingle with the world, sin, satan, etc. Anyone can make up their own code and follow it, but I seek to follow the Instructions of Yahweh clarified by Yahshua.

so you following rules? You really think God wants you to do this? would you not think he would rather you focus on others, and not yourself. following rules focuses on self.


Following traditions....no I follow the command of Yahweh...but I can understand how it is easier to disregard if it is called tradition.
all the same.. Do you follow them perfectly? that is what was required.

If one understood the Instructions/Laws of Yahweh they would know it is the perfect standard of love to Yahweh and fellow human, however when one applies a pharisee interpretation to Yahweh's Law as a testimony against it they have defeated it in their mind....
I disagree, They would know the perfect standard yes, And realize how utterly sinful they are. But understand the love of God. No.

The only way we can understand the perfect love of God is to realise he loves us inspite of the fact we are utterly sinful.


Hebrew is the language Yahweh's Name was originally written in, its not the Hebrew that is special, it is Yahweh Name that is special.
God was around and had a name long before Hebrew was even a language, You do not know Gods real name. You have a name given to him. If you think God is going to think you are more special if you call him his hebrew name than a person who calls him his english name, you do not know God very well.

What does Messiah say to those who have been cleansed?

Go and sin?

OR

Sin no more?

What is sin?
Are you sinless? if not. You have not obeyed the second command.

What does he want us to do? Go and show my love to the world. You do that, You will sin less
 
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Well, when I pray and call on the name of Jesus He answers. I only need these words, Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit (ghost). They seem to work just fine for me and millions of other people as well. When you've run out of words to say and you just don't know what to pray, just say His name, Jesus.
 
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All you have to do is look at Abraham. AS I mentioned above, He followed none of these rule and if you are a believer you are a son of Abraham.
 
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I meant think about it, If it means so much, then why didn't Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, Titus, James write it in Hebrew?
 

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so you following rules? You really think God wants you to do this? would you not think he would rather you focus on others, and not yourself. following rules focuses on self.




all the same.. Do you follow them perfectly? that is what was required.



I disagree, They would know the perfect standard yes, And realize how utterly sinful they are. But understand the love of God. No.

The only way we can understand the perfect love of God is to realise he loves us inspite of the fact we are utterly sinful.




God was around and had a name long before Hebrew was even a language, You do not know Gods real name. You have a name given to him. If you think God is going to think you are more special if you call him his hebrew name than a person who calls him his english name, you do not know God very well.



Are you sinless? if not. You have not obeyed the second command.

What does he want us to do? Go and show my love to the world. You do that, You will sin less
So the Creator dosent want me to listen and follow what He says?

You look at the Instructions/Law of Yahweh as the Pharisees "kept" (thay did not) it, I look at the Law through the way Yahshua kept it.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might(Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself(Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Deuteronomy 6:5, "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Leviticus 19:18, "Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor as yourself. I am Yahweh."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

"iniquity" is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Romans 13:8, "Owe no man anything, except to love one another, for he who loves another has performed the Law. For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in this (Law Leviticus 19:18); namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love works no harm to his neighbor; therefore, love is the fulness of the Law."

Deuteronomy 10:16, "Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and do not be stiff-necked any longer."

Love in practice, not in jaw flappin:

Leviticus 19:9-18,29-31 "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not completely harvest the corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. You shall not glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather every grape of your vineyard. You shall leave them for the poor and the stranger; I am Yahweh your Father. You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie one to another. Do not vow falsely with My Name, and so profane the Name of your Father. I am Yahweh. You shall not defraud your neighbor, nor rob him. Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight. Do not curse the deaf or put a stumblingblock in front of the blind; but reverence your Father. I am Yahweh. Do not pervert judgment: You shall not show partiality to the poor, nor honor to the person of the great. In righteousness you shall judge your neighbor fairly. You shall not go about tale-bearing or slandering among your people. Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am Yahweh. You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt. Do not seek revenge nor bear a grudge against one of your own people; but you shall love your neighbor; whether a brother or an enemy, as yourself. I am Yahweh.Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; or the land will fall into harlotry, and the land will become full of wickedness. Do not turn to mediums nor familiar spirits. Do not seek after them, to be defiled by them. I am Yahweh. You shall stand up before the gray headed, and you shall honor the presence of an Elder or Teacher; thereby giving reverence to your Heavenly Father. I am Yahweh. If a stranger lives with you in your and, do not mistreat him. The stranger living with you must be treated as one of your native-born, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt. I am Yahweh. Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight, or quantity. You shall have honest balances, honest weights, an honest ephah; a dry measure, and an honest in; a liquid measure. I am Yahweh your Father Who brought you out of the land of Egypt; Therefore, you must observe all My statutes and My judgments, and perform and do them. I am Yahweh."

Yeremyah 17:9, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it?"

If left up to man, man will say they love but it will be a twsited worldly version, not true love.

No, love is only what Yahweh says it is, anything less is falsehood.

Do I keep perfectly, no. I ask for Mercy when I transgress. That dos not mean I cast aside every Instruction of Yahweh because I fall short at times. Talk about defeated by satan, it crazy how satan has people hoodwinked into not even trying.

Of course the Law shows us our error, but it also shows us how we should be. Yahshua is our perfect example, and wht did Yahshua follow perfectly? Yahweh's Law. So because you cant be exactly like Yahshua you shouldnt even try? It is what you are saying, dance around it however you want, same doctrine different wrapper.

Does/did Yahweh have a Name before Yahweh IDK, if so it is not recorded, we are told to call Him Yahweh (YHWH)

I dont need to make excuses why I shouldnt listen to Him, howeve the Pharisees and the Popes say His name shouldnt be used...choose a side.

Adam and Eve knew His name as Yahweh as they were still alive at this time, and by context His name was used before this:

Genesis 4:26, "And as for Seth, to him also a son was born; and he named him Enosh. It was then that the Name of Yahweh began to be invoked again."

Psalm 135:13, "Your Name, O Yahweh, endures forever! Your memorial, O Yahweh, is for all generations!"




You said, "Are you sinless? if not. You have not obeyed the second command.
What does he want us to do? Go and show my love to the world. You do that, You will sin less
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Again not sinless, and yes we should love.

Whos love, the worlds love? A lustful love? My love?

There is only one true kind of love, all other forms of "love" are falsehood.

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

What Laws though????

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:7 "Brothers, I write no new Laws to you, but the old Laws which you had from the beginning: The old Laws are the Law which you had from the beginning."

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:3-6 "Now by this we do know that we know Him: If we keep His Laws. He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His Law, in him truly is the love of Yahweh perfected: by this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked."

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus,

"He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk exactly as He walked."
 
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So the Creator dosent want me to listen and follow what He says?

You look at the Instructions/Law of Yahweh as the Pharisees "kept" (thay did not) it, I look at the Law through the way Yahshua kept it.
No, this is you. not me.

I look at the law as Moses gave it, And it did its job, The law cursed me, because I could not follow it.


Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might(Deut 6:5). This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself(Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
So we do not need ten (or actually many many more) commands, we just need two. The law of Love, Giving, Thanks, But I already knew this. So why do you think you follow the ones moses gave? Why do you not do what Jesus said.

And could you lay off the hebrew crap please. that actually is offensive. It makes me sick to my stomach that someone thinks he is more holy because he speaks in hebrew,
(makes you more and more a pharisee)

Do I keep perfectly, no. I ask for Mercy when I transgress. That dos not mean I cast aside every Instruction of Yahweh because I fall short at times. Talk about defeated by satan, it crazy how satan has people hoodwinked into not even trying.
Thanks. you have proved your cursed. and a hypocrite, You claim you follow the law. but you do not.. of course if you knew the purpose of the law, you would know that. and not try to keep following it.

Of course the Law shows us our error, but it also shows us how we should be. Yahshua is our perfect example, and wht did Yahshua follow perfectly? Yahweh's Law. So because you cant be exactly like Yahshua you shouldnt even try? It is what you are saying, dance around it however you want, same doctrine different wrapper.

Who is yahweh? Abraham did not know any Yahweh, nor did adam or noah. To be honest. neither did moses. He knew an YHWH, or wait, he did not even know him, that would be an english transliteration.. ughh..

again I ask you. DO you think God looks on you more favorable than someone who calls him by his english name?


Does/did Yahweh have a Name before Yahweh IDK, if so it is not recorded, we are told to call Him Yahweh (YHWH)

I dont need to make excuses why I shouldnt listen to Him, howeve the Pharisees and the Popes say His name shouldnt be used...choose a side.
Whats his name? thats not his name, thats his hebrew name, and Again Hebrew was not in existance from creation, No one before moses used that name, and he did nto even use that name.. so where did you get it?

Adam and Eve knew His name as Yahweh as they were still alive at this time, and by context His name was used before this:
Adam and eve did not speak hebrew, get real.
 
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Why didn't the NT writers write about keeping feast and wearing prayer shawls and abstaining from pork? Why did they speak so much about the cross? You talk so much about doing, The fact is if your faith is in what your doing then your doing nothing, except misleading. We can only hold to Gods moral code by placing our faith in the work of the cross and allowing the Holy Spirit to sanctify us by producing fruit in us and through us. This Hebrew crap is just deterring people from the truth. This Hizakayh thing is the very thing that Paul fought against and tried his best to stamp out. I am just gonna tell you the truth and if it make you mad then so be it. Satan is using you to defer people from the truth and that is the work of the cross. There is no power in it. For the preaching of the cross is the power of God. Period. God will not accept your play things. He is a jealous God and He will only recognize the Cross. Not passover, not the feast of weeks, not tabernacles none of it. You are a blind guide. I'm sorry, but enough is enough. Lift up the cross and the name of Jesus so people can actually be set free from the chains that bind instead of this false hope that just leads to more bondage. Brother get a grip and hold fast to it. Freedom is in the name of Jesus, the name that is above everything that is named. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord.
 

Hizikyah

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No, this is you. not me.

I look at the law as Moses gave it, And it did its job, The law cursed me, because I could not follow it.




So we do not need ten (or actually many many more) commands, we just need two. The law of Love, Giving, Thanks, But I already knew this. So why do you think you follow the ones moses gave? Why do you not do what Jesus said.

And could you lay off the hebrew crap please. that actually is offensive. It makes me sick to my stomach that someone thinks he is more holy because he speaks in hebrew,
(makes you more and more a pharisee)



Thanks. you have proved your cursed. and a hypocrite, You claim you follow the law. but you do not.. of course if you knew the purpose of the law, you would know that. and not try to keep following it.



Who is yahweh? Abraham did not know any Yahweh, nor did adam or noah. To be honest. neither did moses. He knew an YHWH, or wait, he did not even know him, that would be an english transliteration.. ughh..

again I ask you. DO you think God looks on you more favorable than someone who calls him by his english name?




Whats his name? thats not his name, thats his hebrew name, and Again Hebrew was not in existance from creation, No one before moses used that name, and he did nto even use that name.. so where did you get it?



Adam and eve did not speak hebrew, get real.
"Hebrew crap" "im cursed" You are a vile person. Im posting a few thiongs and im done talking to you. You were talking love and whatnot to fellow humans, and this..... fruit...fruit.

Abraham prayed with the Names of Yahweh

Genesis 12:7-8, "7 Then Yahweh appeared to Abram, and
said: To your descendants I will give
this land. And he built an altar there to
Yahweh Who appeared to him.
8 And he went from there to the hill east
of Beth El, and he gpitched his tent there;
2aBeth El was to the west of him, and
2bAi was to the east. G1There he built an
altar to Yahweh, and there he prayed
with the Name of Yahweh
."

Exodus 6:3 is mistranslated in most translations, the hebrew shows a negative affirmations:
3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and
to Yaaqob as Yl Shaddai; Almighty
Strength, but by MY NAME
G1YAHWEH, was I not known to them?


Yahshua says these are the greatest Commandments, NOT THE ONLY! If that werent enough He clearly states all the Law hang on these 2.

Mattithyah 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Shaul clearly understands what the Messiah means and explains it here:

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

All as in even the ones he didn't list...

Try breaking Leviticus 19:17 and still be loving your neighbor according to Messiah.

And try breaking the 4th Commandment and still be loving Yahweh.

Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."

Mattithyah 19:17-21, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh. He then asked Yahshua; Which ones? Yahshua said: You shall not murder. you shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false testimony. Honor your father and mother, and; You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The young man said to Him; All these things I have kept from my youth up; what do I yet lack? Yahshua said to him: If you want to come to the perfection, go and sell of what you have, and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and you will be walking in Yahweh's ways, and following Me."

Deuteronomy 10:12-13, "And now, O Israyl, what does Yahweh your Father require of you, but to reverence Yahweh your Father by walking in all His ways, by loving Him, by serving Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul. By keeping the Laws of Yahweh, with His statutes, which I command you this day, so that you may be blessed?"

1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws. For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Mattithyah 22:37, "Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

1 Corinthians 2:9, "But as it is written: Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the mind of man the things which Yahweh has prepared for those who love Him."

1 Yahchanan (John) 2:4, "He who says: I know Him, but does not keep His Law, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."