Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?

know1 · May 1, 2014

We didn't call it sin first, God did. We're just repeating what He said.
And you obviously didn't read my post, 'cause I found more.
At the same time, you won't be able to see otherwise, as the spirit that is in you, won't permit you to. Therefore you will not be able to see things any other way other than the way the spirit that is in you wants you to see things.
Until you receive Christ in your heart, you will remain the same.

know1 · May 1, 2014

Aerin said:

The trouble some here are having is when a man tries to present as a woman by wearing women's clothes. The women don't seem to care either way, but the men are quick to call it sin, witchcraft, perversion, etc. May I remind those men that not all cross dressers do so to try and attract other men, any more than all women get up in the morning and make themselves attractive for the sole purpose of pleasing men, or shop for new outfits for the sole purpose of pleasing men, or get their hair and nails done for the sole purpose of pleasing men.

There's also a difference between a masculine burly dude showing up in a pink dress and someone less masculine wearing more neutral women's clothes. If it's proper and non-tacky, you won't even notice a cross dresser is wearing clothes of the opposite sex from a distance. What's improper is calling yourself out in a crowd in which the cross dressing becomes an aggressive way to catch attention and then "feed the fire" of confusion. I don't experience that when I'm out in public.... most people don't even glance and instead go about their lives. Isn't that the way it should be?

If I understand this correctly, the whole purpose a man wants to dress up and act like a female, is to attract the same sex.

Angela53510 · May 1, 2014

So you're telling me because I like to wear pants that I am going to hell? I'm talking women's pants here, respectful, high waisted with a nice feminine blouse or woman's dress t-shirt.

I don't personally find men's clothes fit me, so I do stay in the women's clothing department. But I have to wonder if all this nonsense about dress has anything to do with the state of the person's heart? If you are serving God in a long robe, and you are a man, you could be a priest, or an ancient Jew or Roman. Was that what the Old Testament was talking about?

As for transgendered, it is something that is coming to light these days, and I will say there is medical evidence to show that things which happen in the womb, like flooding of hormones can be responsible for transgendered people. In other words, it just might happen to be a medical condition. I knew a Christian who was a transgendered woman. Before he began his transition, he fasted and prayed and begged God to deliver him. In the end, he became the person who he was, which was a woman. She told me it was not about sex, but about gender identity, and how she had always been uncomfortable in a man's body. I respected her, because one of the first things she did after her transition was start a Bible study with the women at Walmart where she worked, and lead many of the woman, including some immigrants to the Lord.

So maybe this is a physical issue that can be resolved. Yes, it is different and weird for many of us. I learned a lot from becoming friends with that woman. I learned that God can use anyone. And besides, I was never a great one for following the Levitical laws, anyway! I would rather follow Christ in Spirit and truth, and let God be the judge.

Kerry · May 1, 2014

The whole thing is about a women not trying to appears as a man and vice versa. I meant, in bible days, men didn't wear pants either.

Rachel20 · May 2, 2014

This is interesting to me, because just last night I happened to come across a video about a child having a transgendered childhood.

This baby was born, a healthy young male called Joey and by the age of 9, was now calling herself Josie. As I saw this video, I felt extremely disturbed.
What was worse and what struck me - the parents and the doctors surrounding this child.

It began like this - at the age of 3, this child was apparently showing signs of temper tantrums and being upset , and the doctors prescribed antidepressants, the sort of chemicals that would definitely have side effects even amongst adults.

His mother decided it was gender identity confusion as her boy preferred girly toys and from then onwards brought this boy a girly wardrobe , allowed him to dress up as a girl, and basically treat that little boy as a girl.

Cut to age 9, this boy looks like a girl with long hair and what is more - is in the process of transitioning.
To prevent male puberty from occurring, the doctors may either inject hormones to suppress development or inject estrogen.

While interviewing , the doctor calmly listens to the young child who says "yeah I want to be a girl".
Never for a moment, do any of them say "Hey. Wait a second! Let's stop and think!"

Needless to say I was appalled! I was distressed and shocked. That poor child. He's only 9 and look at the path they're encouraging him to follow -
No matter what anyone does , you can't change your DNA. You can look like a woman, but the Y chromosome is from God. And look at our society!

Look at these parents! Look at these doctors! Not for one second, have they shown even that amount of compassion for that child.

What is gender identity confusion?

A healthy young person claiming to be a woman and now we show this sort of faux "compassion" and facilitate that? What compassion is this? What love is this?

Sorry this has nothing to do with your question on why it is an abomination, but let me tell you that what is happening to that child is an abomination.

Society accepts every single these days in the name of "love" and "understanding". Now let me tell you those people have ruined that child's life. That child is going to go now with that stigma of once being a boy and living on a diet of hormones and what not.

You might want to justify cross dressing as just one verse, but please justify what is happening to that child's life. I just don't understand it.

If its not an abomination, then I am sorry, but I have a heart.

Aerin · May 2, 2014

know1 said:

I would be careful about claiming authority over other people's salvation who you've never met based on a forum post because they happen to disagree over the "application" of a verse in O.T. Scripture. You and I both agree that sodomy is wrong if that's where you think cross dressing leads.

A point was made about the medical issues of transgenders - some like myself who were born eunuchs from the womb. Another point was made stating a view from Judaism that transgender eunuchs who acted like girls, transvestites, and homosexuals should all be put to death.

Should I be worried that people put me on the edge of existence in a manner that sounds like something out of Darwin's survival of the fittest??

ob77 said:

I don't even know how to respond to this. What am I, some race other than human? See comment above. Christ came equally for you and for me, and no amount of arguing the law will save anyone.

know1 said:

If that's the perspective anyone thinks I'm coming from, no. I have a wife and we're happily married for seven years now in spite of my physical limitations and not being able to have kids. Not all cross dressers are interested in men, that is a gross misconception. I only started this post to DISCUSS the context possibilities of a verse in Scripture using the original texts. The personal condemnation and alludings to death and the occult are a little surprising.

Some of you need to take a good hard look at Romans chapter 14.

Rachel20 · May 2, 2014

Aerin, I read your profile and you claim to be a eunuch or a medical transgender.

I am not really sure about the terms, but I think there is a difference between intersexed and transgender.
I do know that some men are called to be that way

Matthew 19:11-12

But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

However, in general with society, I think there is a danger of being so accepting of gender confusion and that in a way is related to cross dressing.

If you justify your being that way by cross dressing is it acceptable to all? I don't think so.

And I am a woman. I don't believe women should dress up as men either.

You know what? Last night, along with watching the video of little Josie, before that I watched Charice Pempengco. She was the catalyst.

I remember her as a sweet young Filipina child with a powerful voice that rivaled Whitney Houston who became famous after appearing on shows like Oprah and Ellen.
Fame came to her soon and she was performing everywhere.
However she came out as lesbian a year back, and now she's cut her hair, dresses like a man and is nothing of that sweet innocent child she used to be. She wasn't even singing that well. It was like that old self of hers was destroyed.

So is it as acceptable for a woman to dress up as a man? Not at all! And I am a woman! I think as God's children we are called to live holy, as He is holy.

Is there nothing to distinguish us from worldly people? Do we also accept the standards that those in the world live by? Yes women's clothing has changed, but that hasn't stopped women from being women.

If something causes a brother or sister to stumble, should we still engage in it? I think not.

I do not want to judge you my friend Aerin. I am sorry if my post may even come across as cutting or hurtful but that is not my intention. I am sure you are following God's tenets and it is not your intention to hurt anyone. I am sure God has a different calling on your life.

I do claim my ignorance in many of this issues of gender and sexuality, and if I come across as rude because of that, I hope you understand my concern is for the entire body of Christ. The issues that I brought up were to expound that.
Thank you for reading them anyway

Aerin · May 2, 2014

Rachel20 said:

Yes there is a difference between transgender and intersex, although both go through similar social struggles and to some Christians, there's absolutely no difference. They don't care if there's medical issues or not, they treat intersex the exact same as voluntary transgender. If someone is born fully functional as a man, with all the physical and mental wirings in place, I wouldn't support the notion of them changing because that is how God made them.

On the other hand, I read a post from last year about an intersex person who was diagnosed with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome from birth (which requires a series of tests for a valid diagnosis) and then watched several people on this web site accuse them of having nothing more than a spiritual problem and that they needed to be healed and act like the man God created them to be.

This is absolute ignorance to the condition that was stated (an inability of the body's cells to respond to testosterone). I'm trying to avoid going into details about the problems I was born with, dysfunctional under-sized testes, the steps I'm taking to remedy what has caused constant physical pain, etc. because frankly that is no one's business and why should I have to justify being the person I am by revealing those intimate details to complete strangers?

You said you looked at my profile picture. Ignore what I'm wearing (women's jeans and a t-shirt for those who claim abomination) and just look at my body shape. THAT is the way God made me. Is that what people here associate with the wickedness of cross dressing, just because I wasn't born in a "biologically correct" state for male, being able to procreate with seed, or female, being able to give birth to child??

Rachel20 said:

The issue in "some" cases means life or death, spiritually. There are temptations involved, sometimes fornication, sometimes sodomy. This is not my story. I wear the outfits you see on my profile in real life and no one cares. I come on here and discuss what Scripture says about it and many are convinced it is the height of public sexual perversion. The proper approach must be on a case by case basis as God leads and convicts, that is the Spirit, not the letter of the law.

For me, what to wear is a non issue. I have many clothes to choose from and do so carefully. Romans 14 explains what our attitude should be about various interpretations of the law. But some Christians will never accept that, or the ability of a stranger who they perceive to be in gross spiritual error to accept the work of Christ in their life. Was not David a man after God's own heart, in spite of his terrible struggles with adultery, lust and temptation which I have honestly never dealt with in a serious way because of the way my hormones are wired?

If David came on these forums and posted his struggles, AS HE WAS GOING THROUGH THEM, I cringe to see the judgment that would come from some of these members.

Rachel20 said:

You do not come across as rude, you make valid points that every person must consider in how they present themselves. I wish more people could engage in conversation about it instead of standing in constant judgment. I wish more people would close with "pray about it and seek God and the people in your life to show you the way" instead of this heavy handed arm wrestling I see going on around here.

We ALL need grace, people. Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself. Let God work in hearts according to His will and time. 1 Corinthians 15:22-25

pastac · May 2, 2014

Aerin said:

Yes there is a difference between transgender and intersex, although both go through similar social struggles and to some Christians, there's absolutely no difference. They don't care if there's medical issues or not, they treat intersex the exact same as voluntary transgender. If someone is born fully functional as a man, with all the physical and mental wirings in place, I wouldn't support the notion of them changing because that is how God made them.

On the other hand, I read a post from last year about an intersex person who was diagnosed with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome from birth (which requires a series of tests for a valid diagnosis) and then watched several people on this web site accuse them of having nothing more than a spiritual problem and that they needed to be healed and act like the man God created them to be.

This is absolute ignorance to the condition that was stated (an inability of the body's cells to respond to testosterone). I'm trying to avoid going into details about the problems I was born with, dysfunctional under-sized testes, the steps I'm taking to remedy what has caused constant physical pain, etc. because frankly that is no one's business and why should I have to justify being the person I am by revealing those intimate details to complete strangers?

You said you looked at my profile picture. Ignore what I'm wearing (women's jeans and a t-shirt for those who claim abomination) and just look at my body shape. THAT is the way God made me. Is that what people here associate with the wickedness of cross dressing, just because I wasn't born in a "biologically correct" state for male, being able to procreate with seed, or female, being able to give birth to child??

The issue in "some" cases means life or death, spiritually. There are temptations involved, sometimes fornication, sometimes sodomy. This is not my story. I wear the outfits you see on my profile in real life and no one cares. I come on here and discuss what Scripture says about it and many are convinced it is the height of public sexual perversion. The proper approach must be on a case by case basis as God leads and convicts, that is the Spirit, not the letter of the law.

For me, what to wear is a non issue. I have many clothes to choose from and do so carefully. Romans 14 explains what our attitude should be about various interpretations of the law. But some Christians will never accept that, or the ability of a stranger who they perceive to be in gross spiritual error to accept the work of Christ in their life. Was not David a man after God's own heart, in spite of his terrible struggles with adultery, lust and temptation which I have honestly never dealt with in a serious way because of the way my hormones are wired?

If David came on these forums and posted his struggles, AS HE WAS GOING THROUGH THEM, I cringe to see the judgment that would come from some of these members.

You do not come across as rude, you make valid points that every person must consider in how they present themselves. I wish more people could engage in conversation about it instead of standing in constant judgment. I wish more people would close with "pray about it and seek God and the people in your life to show you the way" instead of this heavy handed arm wrestling I see going on around here.

We ALL need grace, people. Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself. Let God work in hearts according to His will and time. 1 Corinthians 15:22-25

I don't care what you wear that's your choice just as sin is a choice I care about how you live and apply scripture and that you understand you can distort it to say whatever you want ask Eve? if you think you are right wear dresses kilts skirts leggings or nothing at all your clothes wont keep you out of heaven but it will make it hard for you to be taken seriously on earth!
If you are a man dress as a man if you are a woman dress as a woman if not its confusing what don't you get about that? I responded to this much earlier with these words. The word says let the wheat and the tare grow together and God will do the separating. I have no reason to judge you. Your question meets this type of rebuff because it is not commonplace among believers to deal with.

Many run from such issues and hide from inner truths of fear. My point is and was people perceive us by how we look,dress and some by what we say they don't look for underlying medical issues and most don't care to do so right or wrong that is just how it is. As it was in Jesus day as well.

SarahM777 · May 2, 2014

Rachel20 said:

I would be very careful there. There is some crossover,and a very good likely hood that many transexuals are intersexed. Not all forms of intersex conditions can be seen from the outside. Some are XY and yet also have a uterus and fallopian tubes. How about those with variations of XY chromosomes? Some are mosaics. Some have both XX and XY chromosomes.
And they have also found many trans have an area of the brain that is typical of the OPPOSITE sex. Can any of us see what is inside someone else or do we way too often judge by the OUTSIDE and NOT the heart?

Can someone explain then if one is BOTH what is the proper clothing for that person?

Many of us do know there is problem much earlier in life,a lot of us know as early as 4 and 5 years and for many it never goes away.

I am not so sure about the wisdom of parents doing so with a child that young. Not all that believe they are trans are because of a physical problem. (It's why there are some that regret having the operations done)

The sad part is that many Christians will take a SINGLE verse OUT of the Mosaic law yet ignore many other SINGLE verses out the Mosaic law which they themselves NEVER obey. IE mixed fabrics,mixed grass in ones lawn,making tasslels on the edge of your garments,writing a copy of the Torah for your family etc etc,yet ignore the places where God speaks over and over again about pride,lust,greed,gossip,etc.

No where does God ever tell us to use His word as a HAMMER against someone else.

SarahM777 · May 2, 2014

Aerin said:

Yes there is a difference between transgender and intersex, although both go through similar social struggles and to some Christians, there's absolutely no difference. They don't care if there's medical issues or not, they treat intersex the exact same as voluntary transgender. If someone is born fully functional as a man, with all the physical and mental wirings in place, I wouldn't support the notion of them changing because that is how God made them.

On the other hand, I read a post from last year about an intersex person who was diagnosed with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome from birth (which requires a series of tests for a valid diagnosis) and then watched several people on this web site accuse them of having nothing more than a spiritual problem and that they needed to be healed and act like the man God created them to be.

This is absolute ignorance to the condition that was stated (an inability of the body's cells to respond to testosterone). I'm trying to avoid going into details about the problems I was born with, dysfunctional under-sized testes, the steps I'm taking to remedy what has caused constant physical pain, etc. because frankly that is no one's business and why should I have to justify being the person I am by revealing those intimate details to complete strangers?

You said you looked at my profile picture. Ignore what I'm wearing (women's jeans and a t-shirt for those who claim abomination) and just look at my body shape. THAT is the way God made me. Is that what people here associate with the wickedness of cross dressing, just because I wasn't born in a "biologically correct" state for male, being able to procreate with seed, or female, being able to give birth to child??

The issue in "some" cases means life or death, spiritually. There are temptations involved, sometimes fornication, sometimes sodomy. This is not my story. I wear the outfits you see on my profile in real life and no one cares. I come on here and discuss what Scripture says about it and many are convinced it is the height of public sexual perversion. The proper approach must be on a case by case basis as God leads and convicts, that is the Spirit, not the letter of the law.

For me, what to wear is a non issue. I have many clothes to choose from and do so carefully. Romans 14 explains what our attitude should be about various interpretations of the law. But some Christians will never accept that, or the ability of a stranger who they perceive to be in gross spiritual error to accept the work of Christ in their life. Was not David a man after God's own heart, in spite of his terrible struggles with adultery, lust and temptation which I have honestly never dealt with in a serious way because of the way my hormones are wired?

If David came on these forums and posted his struggles, AS HE WAS GOING THROUGH THEM, I cringe to see the judgment that would come from some of these members.

You do not come across as rude, you make valid points that every person must consider in how they present themselves. I wish more people could engage in conversation about it instead of standing in constant judgment. I wish more people would close with "pray about it and seek God and the people in your life to show you the way" instead of this heavy handed arm wrestling I see going on around here.

We ALL need grace, people. Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself. Let God work in hearts according to His will and time. 1 Corinthians 15:22-25

Aerin,

I know who you are talking about. (I had met him on a transgender site and I had seen him here also and that is the reason I joined up here) There are parts of the story that most here would NOT be aware of that I am aware of. I won't get in to it here,but I do know he is a dear sweet brother in the Lord.

I too am intersexed,and I am also trans. At times it seems like we do have a fine line to walk. It took the Lord quite a while to bring me where I am today. The Lord finally gave me peace about this once I knew the truth. I still don't understand it all. Why many Christians seem to think that because sin came into the world that it did NOT also affect our bodies in this manner also I have no idea. If you take the passage that says God formed us this way,are they saying that God is the cause of all birth defects also? Why is it that this is the ONLY area that it is suppose to be perfect? Does that really make sense to anyone?

danalee · May 2, 2014

Cross dressing is a compulsion and not a sin. You are not hurting anyone. Yet, this is not something anyone will ever understand like you do. People view these obsessions as willful but they are not. You shouldnt go looking for opposition. I know you can't hide it and it's painful...god bless.

danalee · May 2, 2014

Aerin said:

Yes there is a difference between transgender and intersex, although both go through similar social struggles and to some Christians, there's absolutely no difference. They don't care if there's medical issues or not, they treat intersex the exact same as voluntary transgender. If someone is born fully functional as a man, with all the physical and mental wirings in place, I wouldn't support the notion of them changing because that is how God made them.

On the other hand, I read a post from last year about an intersex person who was diagnosed with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome from birth (which requires a series of tests for a valid diagnosis) and then watched several people on this web site accuse them of having nothing more than a spiritual problem and that they needed to be healed and act like the man God created them to be.

This is absolute ignorance to the condition that was stated (an inability of the body's cells to respond to testosterone). I'm trying to avoid going into details about the problems I was born with, dysfunctional under-sized testes, the steps I'm taking to remedy what has caused constant physical pain, etc. because frankly that is no one's business and why should I have to justify being the person I am by revealing those intimate details to complete strangers?

You said you looked at my profile picture. Ignore what I'm wearing (women's jeans and a t-shirt for those who claim abomination) and just look at my body shape. THAT is the way God made me. Is that what people here associate with the wickedness of cross dressing, just because I wasn't born in a "biologically correct" state for male, being able to procreate with seed, or female, being able to give birth to child??

The issue in "some" cases means life or death, spiritually. There are temptations involved, sometimes fornication, sometimes sodomy. This is not my story. I wear the outfits you see on my profile in real life and no one cares. I come on here and discuss what Scripture says about it and many are convinced it is the height of public sexual perversion. The proper approach must be on a case by case basis as God leads and convicts, that is the Spirit, not the letter of the law.

For me, what to wear is a non issue. I have many clothes to choose from and do so carefully. Romans 14 explains what our attitude should be about various interpretations of the law. But some Christians will never accept that, or the ability of a stranger who they perceive to be in gross spiritual error to accept the work of Christ in their life. Was not David a man after God's own heart, in spite of his terrible struggles with adultery, lust and temptation which I have honestly never dealt with in a serious way because of the way my hormones are wired?

If David came on these forums and posted his struggles, AS HE WAS GOING THROUGH THEM, I cringe to see the judgment that would come from some of these members.

You do not come across as rude, you make valid points that every person must consider in how they present themselves. I wish more people could engage in conversation about it instead of standing in constant judgment. I wish more people would close with "pray about it and seek God and the people in your life to show you the way" instead of this heavy handed arm wrestling I see going on around here.

We ALL need grace, people. Love the Lord your God, and love your neighbor as yourself. Let God work in hearts according to His will and time. 1 Corinthians 15:22-25

While it is not okay for anyone to be any less than loved ever, I also think that trans, intersex issues should be on a trans cross etc sensitive site. People need to be smart and take care of themselves first. You can't expect the world to be totally just and fair. They won't be. I've learned the appropriate places to air my issues and there are things I'd never discuss here.

danalee · May 2, 2014

SarahM777 said:

I would be very careful there. There is some crossover,and a very good likely hood that many transexuals are intersexed. Not all forms of intersex conditions can be seen from the outside. Some are XY and yet also have a uterus and fallopian tubes. How about those with variations of XY chromosomes? Some are mosaics. Some have both XX and XY chromosomes.
And they have also found many trans have an area of the brain that is typical of the OPPOSITE sex. Can any of us see what is inside someone else or do we way too often judge by the OUTSIDE and NOT the heart?

Can someone explain then if one is BOTH what is the proper clothing for that person?

Many of us do know there is problem much earlier in life,a lot of us know as early as 4 and 5 years and for many it never goes away.

I am not so sure about the wisdom of parents doing so with a child that young. Not all that believe they are trans are because of a physical problem. (It's why there are some that regret having the operations done)

The sad part is that many Christians will take a SINGLE verse OUT of the Mosaic law yet ignore many other SINGLE verses out the Mosaic law which they themselves NEVER obey. IE mixed fabrics,mixed grass in ones lawn,making tasslels on the edge of your garments,writing a copy of the Torah for your family etc etc,yet ignore the places where God speaks over and over again about pride,lust,greed,gossip,etc.

No where does God ever tell us to use His word as a HAMMER against someone else.

Again, people have a hard time accepting abnormal biology because its inherent to see it as wrong. Just be careful to not open yourself up to ppl who will hammer you. You are responsible for you. Christians are still as imperfect as some peoples genetics unfortunately. God bless...

SarahM777 · May 2, 2014

danalee said:

Danalee,

I have been hammered on this ever since I was a kid,by my father and many others claiming to be Christians even while NOT acting out on it,just because I LOOKED different. (I went to a CHRISTIAN school and I got it there also) Far too often we are JUDGED just because we LOOK different and act different from SOCIETIES norms. For many of us this happens WHILE we are yet children. I have just reached the point of being tired of hammered by HYPOCRITES. Jesus harshest words were to the HYPOCRITES,it was never to the woman at the well who had five husbands and was now shacking up with a man who not her husband,the woman caught in adultery,the thief on the cross etc. Jesus DID NOT come for the righteous,Jesus came to give sight to the blind,to make the lame walk and to set the captives free. And if we would get this into our hearts and minds we would see changed hearts and lives.

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phil112 · May 2, 2014

Aerin said:

It amuses me that when a person is faced with a directive from God they immediately decide it was addressed "to customs at that time" to avoid having to obey it themselves.

The bible, and God, is not about teaching man's custom to men.
Can anyone say women with short hair, lots of makeup, preaching, gaudy apparel?

SarahM777 · May 2, 2014

phil112 said:

Do you follow ALL of the laws of the Mosaic covenant? If not then you also are picking and choosing which ones you will or will not obey. How about these?

N361 Leviticus 22:24 - Not to castrate a man or beast (Can't neuter or spay your pets)
N230 Deuteronomy 15:2 - Not to demand payment of debts after (7th) Shmitah year
N231 Deuteronomy 15:9 - Not to refuse loan to poor because Shmitah year is near
N232 Deuteronomy 15:7 - Not to deny charity to the poor
N233 Deuteronomy 15:13 - Not sending a Hebrew bondman away empty-handed
N234 Exodus 22:24 - Not demanding payment from a debtor known unable to pay
N235 Leviticus 25:37 - Not lending to another Jew at interest
N236 Deuteronomy 23:20 - Not borrowing from another Jew at interest
N237 Exodus 22:24 - Not participating in an agreement involving interest
N238 Leviticus 19:13 - Oppress not an employee by delaying paying his wages
N239 Deuteronomy 24:10 - Not taking a pledge from a debtor by force
N240 Deuteronomy 24:12 - Not keeping a poor man's pledge when he needs it
N241 Deuteronomy 24:17 - Not taking any pledge from a widow

N 43 Leviticus 19:27 - Not shaving the temples/sides of your head
N 44 Leviticus 19:27 - Not shaving your beard
P 10 Deuteronomy 6:7 - On reciting the Sh'ma each morning and evening
P 11 Deuteronomy 6:7 - On studying and teaching Torah
P 12 Deuteronomy 6:8 - On binding Tefillin on the head
P 13 Deuteronomy 6:8 - On binding Tefillin on the hand
P 14 Numbers 15:38 - On making Tzitzit with thread of blue, garments corners
P 15 Deuteronomy 6:9 - On affixing a Mezuzah to doorposts and gates
P 16 Deuteronomy 31:12 - On Assembling each 7th year to hear the Torah read
P 17 Deuteronomy 17:18 - On that a king must write a copy of Torah for himself
P 18 Deuteronomy 31:19 - On that everyone should have a Torah scroll
P 19 Deuteronomy 8:10 - On praising God after eating, Grace after meals

By the way these are NOT the dietary laws. These are ALL directives from God under the Mosaic law. Are you doing these or not?

presidente · May 2, 2014

Aerin said:

My guess is you just made that up.

Maybe God didn't want His people to degenerate sexually into practices like cross dressing and homosexuality.

That's sophistry. In this case it doesn't mean that. There is no reason to think that 'fluid exchange' is inherent in the word. Apparently the word comes from a root meaning abhorrent.

I don't give them a 'free pass.' I don't think women should dress in a way that tempts men or vice versa. i don't think people should cross-dress either.

One reason people may get more upset about cross dressing is that even though we are fallen, we are made in the image of God. God views cross dressing as an abomination, something abhorrent. And there is something in many people that see it as abhorrent.

Just on an instinctive level, if I see a man trying to look like a woman, it's just gross. I don't like to see women do it, either, but I've probably become more desensitized to that since regular fashion is a little more fuzzy on that area. I suspect there are a lot of men who find it repulsive, too.

How does cross-dressing glorify God or help advance the Gospel? If you try to win people that way, your encouraging gender-confusion.

That's one way to interpret it, but the Greek word 'malakos' was used much more broadly in Greek literature.

Rachel20 · May 2, 2014

SarahM777 said:

Hi Sarah.

I was glaringly aware of my lack of knowledge on these aspects so I decided to read up more on intersex conditions. Mostly articles on wikipedia on the biological front, some on Cheryl Chase, and I also read up on eunuchs in Biblical times.

If you can share a few more links, that you feel might broaden my understanding, I would like to read that as well.

I am sorry that you have to go through this. It is a medical condition after all.
It's sensitive and personal and to be honest, I am really impressed at your love for Jesus and God. That's really beautiful and God bless you for putting your faith and trust in HIM.

I live in India, so while I didn't know about the genetic reasons for someone to be born intersex, we do have a certain section of society called hijras - or eunuchs. They're both reviled and revered. Because of lack of opportunities and being shunned from society, often times they would be on the streets, harrassing people for money.
Also, there are men who simply cross dress as women and pretend to be hijras to extort money. They are sexual perverts and they get away with all these things because of their connections with cops and mafia.

I used to get really upset by hijras because when I would go to college, they would harrass me and ask me for money. This is my wish, that instead of being separated from society, they would just be integrated and try to live a normal life.
I think that's all everyone really wants and hopes.

So I think if one is "both" then, they would dress up in a manner which is honourable and which glorifies God, as their body is also the temple of God.

Some of my favourite characters from the Bible, Daniel may have been a eunuch, even Nehemiah. Also I remember the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts who became a Christian.

There are just so many examples in the Bible. God loved them and used them for his purposes. I believe God can do so with anyone. We are all God's children.

Anyway, thank you for your posts and sharing Sarah.
May God bless you.

SarahM777 · May 2, 2014

Rachel20 said:

This is one of the best sites and has the most information about it. And I think a big reason why intersex and transexualism it is becoming more common in this day and age is because of all the chemicals and hormones that are being used. Some of the chemicals are endocrine inhibitors or they can also enhance certain endocrines. Adding hormones to a mother that is going to have child just messes up so much also. DES is a hormone that was used from the 1930'-1980's for pregnant women and they know that there was an increase in intersexed births from it. And the sad part is that it CAN NOT always be seen from the outside. Anyways here is the link.

What is intersex? | Intersex Society of North America

It wouldn't be so bad but many Christians just do not want to believe that it is possible for these things to happen but yet they figure it is somewhere between 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 500 births of someone have an intersexed condition.

Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?

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