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Old Testament folks looked forward to the cross and New Testament folks some saw the sacrifice and for the rest of us we look back at the cross. All of us are saved by Jesus sacrifice the only way they or we would not be saved is if Jesus had not completed His mission. As they say Mission Accomplished and all of us who accept Jesus as our savior will be saved - Old and New folks alike.
Praise Jesus/God/Holy Spirit for the plan and the sacrifice and the abiding love they give each and every one of us daily.
Praise Jesus/God/Holy Spirit for the plan and the sacrifice and the abiding love they give each and every one of us daily.
Blessed is the man to whom God does not impute iniquity. This is Gods grace, the same grace that saves today has saved through out man's history and will save through out all of eternity.
Men believed God in the OT and men believe God in the NT. There were those who refused to believe in the OT and there are those who refuse to believe in the NT. Gods word has not changed and it will not change. God looks for the broken and contrite heart in which He ministers forgiveness and mercy gifting eternal life to those who receive Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Men believed God in the OT and men believe God in the NT. There were those who refused to believe in the OT and there are those who refuse to believe in the NT. Gods word has not changed and it will not change. God looks for the broken and contrite heart in which He ministers forgiveness and mercy gifting eternal life to those who receive Him.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
being saved means being saved, or being free from God's wrath including Adam's death penalty.
First,,,being saved(being rescued from the death by 2nd Adam's redemption) condition is not same with SALVATION stage.
We all agreed that being saved stage in the faith was made possible only by the merit of Jesus's blood.
So, everyone in old testament, died in grave until Jesus's coming back which happened during around 1st or 2nd century.
Therefore, after Jesus's coming(as a king to judge his people), to everyone in old testament, all who put their faith in Jesus resurrected in spirit life including those believers who were not saved but died or, in sleep in grave.
But those who were saved, kept putting their faith until obtaining the salvation (final stage of Holy way in faith).
Briefly, being saved means being rescued or freed from a certain condemn situation, and
THE SALVATION means after being rescued or being freed, or being born again with cleansing of the word,
keep going to holiness of the same way our lord Jesus opened and completed as priesthood functioning roles.
This Salvation,,,,is the final state of the faith. Our lord Jesus obtained this SALVATION after his works, namely sacrificing offerings.
First,,,being saved(being rescued from the death by 2nd Adam's redemption) condition is not same with SALVATION stage.
We all agreed that being saved stage in the faith was made possible only by the merit of Jesus's blood.
So, everyone in old testament, died in grave until Jesus's coming back which happened during around 1st or 2nd century.
Therefore, after Jesus's coming(as a king to judge his people), to everyone in old testament, all who put their faith in Jesus resurrected in spirit life including those believers who were not saved but died or, in sleep in grave.
But those who were saved, kept putting their faith until obtaining the salvation (final stage of Holy way in faith).
Briefly, being saved means being rescued or freed from a certain condemn situation, and
THE SALVATION means after being rescued or being freed, or being born again with cleansing of the word,
keep going to holiness of the same way our lord Jesus opened and completed as priesthood functioning roles.
This Salvation,,,,is the final state of the faith. Our lord Jesus obtained this SALVATION after his works, namely sacrificing offerings.
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God is a God of mercy and justice. People lived thousands of years in BC, a God of mercy would not do away with all those people.
Christ spoke of seeing and talking to Moses and Enoch, certainly they were saved.
The Old Testament has lots to say about blood sacrifice, and that blood sacrifice was a shadow of Christ. Scripture tells us that it was insufficient, especially in the book of Hebrews, but even in Hebrews there is no scripture that says it simply did not work.
When the curtain was split when Christ gave up his spirit, we are given the answer. If you put in your concordance the word sleep or ancestors you will find that is the way death was spoken of then. When the curtain was split in the temple, all the saints were released. The insufficient blood that was only a shadow of Christ was now completed and made perfect.
Mat 27:51 Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from top to bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. Mat 27:52 The tombs were also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
That is why it is a good idea to carefully go over the sacrifices called for in the OT, they are an insufficient shadow of Christ, it would be very wrong to even think of using them after Christ. It would be denying Christ. But it does outline for us what Christ does for us.
Christ spoke of seeing and talking to Moses and Enoch, certainly they were saved.
The Old Testament has lots to say about blood sacrifice, and that blood sacrifice was a shadow of Christ. Scripture tells us that it was insufficient, especially in the book of Hebrews, but even in Hebrews there is no scripture that says it simply did not work.
When the curtain was split when Christ gave up his spirit, we are given the answer. If you put in your concordance the word sleep or ancestors you will find that is the way death was spoken of then. When the curtain was split in the temple, all the saints were released. The insufficient blood that was only a shadow of Christ was now completed and made perfect.
Mat 27:51 Suddenly, the curtain of the sanctuary was split in two from top to bottom; the earth quaked and the rocks were split. Mat 27:52 The tombs were also opened and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
That is why it is a good idea to carefully go over the sacrifices called for in the OT, they are an insufficient shadow of Christ, it would be very wrong to even think of using them after Christ. It would be denying Christ. But it does outline for us what Christ does for us.
Absolutely. Consider the following OT saints:
Adam, Eve, Noah, Abel, Moses, Aaron, Samson, David, Solomon, Job, and so forth.
All the people of the Bible that I listed above were all saved in the Old Testament. The only difference was that they were not eternally redeemed until the Lord Jesus Christ came and offered Himself as a sacrifice on the Cross of Calvary to take away the sin of the world.
I agree.
Certainly? Then why the need of God's incarnation, sacrifice and resurrection?
Yes. No matter how righteous people were, it was not enough, hence, the need for Jesus Christ.
I believe that Jesus Christ, when He died on the cross, descended to sheol/hades and released the saints from the O.T. (He went to preach to the souls in the prison - 1 Peter 3,18-19).
So, they were saved by Christ, not by their righteous works and sacrifices.
I understood the question of the thread differently, which is why I said that the people before Christ went to the "bosom of Abraham".
Certainly? Then why the need of God's incarnation, sacrifice and resurrection?
Yes. No matter how righteous people were, it was not enough, hence, the need for Jesus Christ.
I believe that Jesus Christ, when He died on the cross, descended to sheol/hades and released the saints from the O.T. (He went to preach to the souls in the prison - 1 Peter 3,18-19).
So, they were saved by Christ, not by their righteous works and sacrifices.
I understood the question of the thread differently, which is why I said that the people before Christ went to the "bosom of Abraham".
