Logic vs The Bible

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Pozessed said:
That depends on what algorithms we put into the AI wouldn't it? We can make AI that is required to stay in certain parameters and not allow it to reprogram part of it's capabilities because that is what we told it not to do.

And nobody on this planet who believes in an omnipotent God should logically think they can create and control the cosmos the way God does.
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God defies logic...He created the laws of nature, why should he abide by them? We are in a box, constrained by time, in a vacuum ideally suited for life. He lives outside the box....He surpasses all understanding. That's why I worship Him. He knows me and has my best interest at heart.
 
Pozessed said:
Because the quality of man depends on God.

Are you asserting God is not perfect?
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why does the quality of man depend on God?

God doesn't need any man's assertion in order to maintain His characteristics. all things are His.
 
Sirk said:
God defies logic...He created the laws of nature, why should he abide by them? We are in a box, constrained by time, in a vacuum ideally suited for life. He lives outside the box....He surpasses all understanding. That's why I worship Him. He knows me and has my best interest at heart.
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I never said anything about God not defying logic, nor did I say he abides by natural laws. I speculated he is perfect and thus we are perfect. That idea is completely inside the logic of man along with anything else that is worldly.
 
which snowflake is the "perfect one" and who is the rightful judge of that?
 
Pozessed said:
Morals are subjective until a community decides to make them objective.
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So you are saying that the law of a country is the objective morality? But objective means "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts" and if it is decided upon by people it can never be objective. Hitler could not be accused of evil because in his country all of the things he did were lawful. You might say that the objective morality of Nazi Germany was inferior to the objective morality of the modern day United States, but by what standard are you comparing the two? There must be an absolute standard by which you compare all of the different moralities, in the same way that you compare answers to the question "what is 2 divided by 8" to the correct answer 1/4 or 0.25. Sure, you might hear people say things like 1/2 or 0.2, and surely 0.2 is closer, but there is still only one right answer.
 
He also entered the box. Stepped off His heavenly thrown, gave Himself no heavenly advantage and lived a sin free life in the box He made, beaten and humiliated by the people He loved, as a way for us to step across the threshold of eternity and into His presence.
 
Pozessed said:
Do you really need me to answer this for you?
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of course not. you're a fallible human - why would i believe anything you say? why would anything you think be "necessary" to me?

i need that the author of truth reveal Himself.
 
Animus said:
So you are saying that the law of a country is the objective morality? But objective means "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts" and if it is decided upon by people it can never be objective. Hitler could not be accused of evil because in his country all of the things he did were lawful. You might say that the objective morality of Nazi Germany was inferior to the objective morality of the modern day United States, but by what standard are you comparing the two? There must be an absolute standard by which you compare all of the different moralities, in the same way that you compare answers to the question "what is 2 divided by 8" to the correct answer 1/4 or 0.25. Sure, you might hear people say things like 1/2 or 0.2, and surely 0.2 is closer, but there is still only one right answer.
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Yes, morals of countries are subjective until some group decides to make a law that determines those morals objective. Please think of a law that was not subjective at one point.
 
posthuman said:
of course not. you're a fallible human - why would i believe anything you say? why would anything you think be "necessary" to me?

i need that the author of truth reveal Himself.
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I appreciate the condescending attitude. How Christian like...
 
the only usefulness of logic without axioms is to seek out axioms.

I AM THAT I AM = penultimate axiom.

wise men still seek Him
 
Sirk said:
God defies logic...He created the laws of nature, why should he abide by them? We are in a box, constrained by time, in a vacuum ideally suited for life. He lives outside the box....He surpasses all understanding. That's why I worship Him. He knows me and has my best interest at heart.
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God does not defy logic. We might have a misunderstanding of what things are logical, but that is our own faults. God can make chickens grow from trees; just as easily as you can imagine it. But you cannot imagine two and two apples equaling five apples; this would be nonsense by definition, and isn't even a real thing. Saying that God defies logic is like saying he can "ceajdkfjdsa" because he can do anything. But I just typed in random characters, that's not a verb, so it cannot be done in the way that you perform an action.

Sometimes we might think we can imagine things when we cannot. I believe that this is a big problem that results from people trying to "put themselves in God's shoes". They say, "Well if God is perfect he should just do this", but for all we know that might be like saying that he should make 2+2=5, which is just as silly as saying that he should "ceajdkfjdsa". This usually comes about on the question of free will. People try to say that God should have given us free will, but then made us perfectly obedient, because, well God can do anything. But the two things are mutually exclusive, and so this too would be like asking him to make 2+2=5, it's just nonsense.
 
Pozessed said:
Without God man has no quality because man would not exist. There is no quality to something that is absent, unless that things absence is a quality.
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So God... who wants to be loved by freedom of choice, would enforce the quality of perfection on that which He wants to love Him by choice?
 
Pozessed said:
Without God man has no quality because man would not exist. There is no quality to something that is absent, unless that things absence is a quality.
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so the existence of quality (or anything else) itself is justified by its creator. this doesn't mean everything is de-facto perfect or that any thing that exists that falls short of the inexpressible glory of supreme divinity by its existence implies God is not a perfect God.

count from 1 to infinity. when you reach the number 2, do you presume that infinity is finite, since 2 is finite?
if i tell you the square root of 2, does that prove the integers don't exist?
 
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