No Works, No Change
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I see change. The change happened in about 1940 and beyond.
The Hebrew race is used by God in rather mysterious ways. As we follow this race, we follow God working for us, too. Hitler tried to wipe them out, after years and years of them being persecuted by the church. In many ways, the church is looking at the race differently, and the race is more and more turning from God. They are following the prediction of returning to the Holy Land.
After centuries of being lost in plain sight, the deep sea scrolls were found. They have had a profound affect on Christianity, mainly is that they showed to the world that with all the copying that was done to scripture, it remained the same. All people agree that had to be a miracle. They opened the way to understanding the Torah, and that influence has affected Christianity, even those who insist that Paul was against Judaism and the Torah is full of Judaism. That idea was started as early as the time of Acts, and Paul was cleared of this then, but he is still being accused of it today.
Christ was not against Moses in the Torah, and Paul was for all of Christ. The impact of this idea of Paul accepting what is taught of God in the Torah is impacting all of today's church. Many are seeing the teachings of Paul is a more spiritual light. Before they listened to Paul only legalistically, now they are seeing the spiritual the "works" he talks about represent.
My church who has prayed for me because they say I strayed by studying the OT as it relates to the NT, now has a class in archeological findings.
It is new, but I think God is moving in today's church.
The Hebrew race is used by God in rather mysterious ways. As we follow this race, we follow God working for us, too. Hitler tried to wipe them out, after years and years of them being persecuted by the church. In many ways, the church is looking at the race differently, and the race is more and more turning from God. They are following the prediction of returning to the Holy Land.
After centuries of being lost in plain sight, the deep sea scrolls were found. They have had a profound affect on Christianity, mainly is that they showed to the world that with all the copying that was done to scripture, it remained the same. All people agree that had to be a miracle. They opened the way to understanding the Torah, and that influence has affected Christianity, even those who insist that Paul was against Judaism and the Torah is full of Judaism. That idea was started as early as the time of Acts, and Paul was cleared of this then, but he is still being accused of it today.
Christ was not against Moses in the Torah, and Paul was for all of Christ. The impact of this idea of Paul accepting what is taught of God in the Torah is impacting all of today's church. Many are seeing the teachings of Paul is a more spiritual light. Before they listened to Paul only legalistically, now they are seeing the spiritual the "works" he talks about represent.
My church who has prayed for me because they say I strayed by studying the OT as it relates to the NT, now has a class in archeological findings.
It is new, but I think God is moving in today's church.
J
I suggest that the changes that have taken place have been unnoticed because too many Christians are looking the "wrong direction". But I must agree with you that the true Christian epoch has been hidden under a mass of false doctrines and pursuits.
Your post is a good example. The modern "Jews", which seem to hold the full attention of Christians these days, can produce no Biblically-founded evidence that they are the descendants of Abraham. They are Ashkenazis, and the scriptures demonstrate them to be the line of Japheth (Genesis 10:1-5). I can see them easily fulfilling the warnings of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Christianity is wasting its energies concentrating on these people, no matter what they call themselves.
Your post is a good example. The modern "Jews", which seem to hold the full attention of Christians these days, can produce no Biblically-founded evidence that they are the descendants of Abraham. They are Ashkenazis, and the scriptures demonstrate them to be the line of Japheth (Genesis 10:1-5). I can see them easily fulfilling the warnings of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. Christianity is wasting its energies concentrating on these people, no matter what they call themselves.
I think that by following scripture, we can't say that these Jews aren't actually Jews in God's eyes.
Abraham was certainly no Jew. If we follow this legalistically, Jew means people who are from Judah, as Americans are from the US. God doesn't go by our legalistic system quite often, even though this system represents the spiritual often.
Many people were taken into this race by being naturalized very like people become Americans. In Romans it calls them the circumcised ones. Throughout the years from Christ until several hundred years ago they were the ones who were devoted to God but didn't recognize Christ as the Messiah.
I think the people going back to the Holy Land are the ones that God designates as Jews, regardless of our legalistic ways of recognizing them.
Abraham was certainly no Jew. If we follow this legalistically, Jew means people who are from Judah, as Americans are from the US. God doesn't go by our legalistic system quite often, even though this system represents the spiritual often.
Many people were taken into this race by being naturalized very like people become Americans. In Romans it calls them the circumcised ones. Throughout the years from Christ until several hundred years ago they were the ones who were devoted to God but didn't recognize Christ as the Messiah.
I think the people going back to the Holy Land are the ones that God designates as Jews, regardless of our legalistic ways of recognizing them.
I do not see change...you know what I see? I see people trying to make the word come to truth in today's world. Like the stories are supposed to be played out with an end of times eventually. The bible is not predicting the future, carnally minded individuals and groups are using it as a guide to an eventual destruction of humanity. They actually think they are playing out God's plan. Its insanity.
You won't see change until a couple of things happen...
1) Christ must return and set up the Kingdom of God on earth...
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
At this time...
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Which, by the way, is the establishment of the New Covenant...
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
And 2) The Devil is incarcerated at the return of Christ...
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Until then...
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
1) Christ must return and set up the Kingdom of God on earth...
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Dan 2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
At this time...
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Which, by the way, is the establishment of the New Covenant...
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
And 2) The Devil is incarcerated at the return of Christ...
Rev 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Until then...
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
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Doesn't anyone have any desire to seek its meaning? No one has. Everyone rather do things such as set scripture references for "troubled times"....Death; see this verse...jealousy; see this verse...confusion; see this verse....etc. Like the scripture is there to get them through the troubled times of separation from God in sin.
I agree. There is that, too. You would think that by looking at the same scene played out by the scholars of Christ's day, they would learn from that. God never has given humans a day to day outline of how He carries out his plan in human terms. We are to look at prophecy to learn the reasons God gives it to us, and it certainly isn't the reasons people of the church are looking at.
When the learned men of the bible did this the first time Christ came they missed the entire point of His coming when it happened. It is important to us that we read about His second coming from God's point of view, not our wanting to know how God is going to do it.
When the learned men of the bible did this the first time Christ came they missed the entire point of His coming when it happened. It is important to us that we read about His second coming from God's point of view, not our wanting to know how God is going to do it.