Are Non-Trinitarians saved?

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Bowman

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newbirth said:
can you back that up with scripture?
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John 3.14 - 21

And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. The one believing into Him is not judged; but the one not believing has already been judged, for he has not believed into the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil. For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed. But the one doing The Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
 
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Re: Stalling...

Bowman said:
The onus is upon you, as you made the assertion in the first place.

Waiting...
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I gave you the Scriptures showing that they are not coequal and that the Son was begotten.
 
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Butch5 said:
I gave you the Scriptures showing that they are not coequal and that the Son was begotten.
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Trinitarian English renderings....and?

Show us the Greek word 'begotten'...
 
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Who can denied GOD?

But he extrapolated this: "1Jn 2:23 Everyone who rejects the Son doesn't have the Father either. The person who acknowledges the Son also has the Father. "


1Jn 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also.


Good these are not talking of 3 persons. :)

2Ti 2:11 The saying is trustworthy, for: If we have died with him, we will also live with him;
2Ti 2:12 if we endure, we will also reign with him; if we deny him, he also will deny us;
2Ti 2:13 if we are faithless, he remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself.
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You are supporting the oneness of God

Originally Posted by Bowman


No.

Anyone denying The Creator as He has revealed Himself, Triune, will suffer the second death.
back up this with scripture
 
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newbirth

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Many say they trust God but when they don't understand something about him they limit him by forming their own conclusion based on their understanding. God says he is ONE I believe him. You are so great you cut him up into three pieces which is four when you look at it, and join him up again. Is God a biscuit that you can do with him whatever you please. All he ask is to believe and obey. God cannot be divided.
If you refuse to trust God I will add to your confusion.

John 14
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.(the holy spirit is the Son)

John 14
[SUP]7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? (Father is Son and Son is Father)

Still I say trust him for if a man uses a rope with his hands to save you from drowning.Who saved you? Was it the rope, the hand or the man?
 
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Bowman said:
John 3.14 - 21

And even as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that everyone believing into Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world that He might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. The one believing into Him is not judged; but the one not believing has already been judged, for he has not believed into the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness more than the Light, for their works were evil. For everyone practicing wickedness hates the Light, and does not come to the Light, that his works may not be exposed. But the one doing The Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they exist, having been worked in God.
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Nothing about triune here...God is the Father of lights Jesus is the light of the world
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
 
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One tiny thing:

If GOD is so concerned (and worried) for that lack of knowledge we ALL have (or had) why not giving human race a better picture than words?

The whole Bible, basically, is a second hand experience of those who met Him, who learnt from Him... If I needed to be known, if I badly knew I´m missunderstood and "unknown", I surely would update my account of faKebook, in all my blogs in the www, etc. to give a better picture of the one I am and, additionally to these, I will phone call those who are seeking me (just two or 3 people in this world) because as long as I am far from them THEY NEED ASSURANCE that I am alive, that I care for them, etc.

Hope my opinion bothered no one here, because that is not the way of GOD, but the way of selfrighteousness.
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We are his update status
God word says believe, trust, obey.The word of God is a light to our path, it is sharper than a two edge sword. Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
[h=3]2 Corinthians 5:17-19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
[SUP]19 [/SUP]To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
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Re: Stalling...

Bowman said:
Trinitarian English renderings....and?

Show us the Greek word 'begotten'...
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What, if it's not written just the way you want it, it doesn't count?
 
Bowman

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newbirth said:
Nothing about triune here...God is the Father of lights Jesus is the light of the world
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
John 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
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You missed it.

The Name of the Son is the same Name as that of the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Three persons; One being.

Simple Biblical Truth...
 
Bowman

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man of straw...

Butch5 said:
What, if it's not written just the way you want it, it doesn't count?
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You keep claiming that The meaning of the Trinity has somehow changed....and yet, you can't produce any scripture to show that it has.

In fact, the only scripture that you posit was rendered by Trinitarians in the first place.

This is called hypocrisy...
 
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Bowman said:
You keep claiming that The meaning of the Trinity has somehow changed....and yet, you can't produce any scripture to show that it has.

In fact, the only scripture that you posit was rendered by Trinitarians in the first place.

This is called hypocrisy...
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I gave you two passages of Scripture, you have yet to address either. I've been around the block many times and I'm quite familiar with this style of avoidance. Jesus said the Father is greater than He, thus they are not coequal.
 
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Butch5 said:
I gave you two passages of Scripture, you have yet to address either. I've been around the block many times and I'm quite familiar with this style of avoidance.
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No.





Jesus said the Father is greater than He, thus they are not coequal.
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Show us....
 
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chubbena

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Trinitarian, eternal Sonship, Mary the mother of Jesus, thus Mary the mother of god - that's what it's leading to.
 
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Butch5

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Re: Study up....

Bowman said:
No scripture thwarts The Trinity.
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Not the original (Nicene) understand of the Trinity. It does the Athanasian understanding of the Trinity
 
Bowman

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Re: Study up....

Butch5 said:
Not the original (Nicene) understand of the Trinity. It does the Athanasian understanding of the Trinity
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Prove it with scripture.
 
thecreationtutor

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how can someone be saved, when the sign and seal of salvation is the Holy spirit - who they do not believe in
 
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