Here's what I said:
Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
The New Covenant is God's promise to give free blessing to men through Jesus Christ (Jeremiah 31:1-33; Hebrews 8:7-13; 10:9-22). It was given to the nation Israel (Jeremiah 31:1-34), but Christians also share in the spiritual aspects of the New covenant through Christ (Hebrews 8:7-13). The New covenant with Israel promises that God will restore them to their promised land and give them a new heart to obey Him. This will happen when Jesus returns from Heaven (Romans 11:25-27; Zechariah 13).
The New Covenant was made with the nation of Israel (Jeremiah 31:31).
It will replace the Mosaic covenant (Jeremiah 31:32; Hebrews 10:8-9).
It promises regeneration and cleansing from sin (Jeremiah 31:33-34).
It reaffirms Israel's national security and future kingdom (Jeremiah 31:35-37).
It promises Israel's possession of the land (Jeremiah 32:37,41-44).
It is eternal (Jeremiah 32:40).
It promises God's blessing upon the land (Ezekiel 36:29-30).
hi Linda
i looked at these links last night and today
Premillennialism in the Old Testament, Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
The Abrahamic Covenant
so things make a little more sense now but they still don't make total sense.
this one by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum says
First: there are the unfulfilled promises of the Jewish covenants, promises that can only be fulfilled in a Messianic Kingdom. Second: there are the unfulfilled prophecies of the Jewish prophets. There are numerous prophecies of the Old Testament that speak of the coming of the Messiah Who will reign on David's Throne, and rule over a peaceful Kingdom. There is a great amount of material in the Old Testament on the Messianic Kingdom, and the belief in a Messianic Kingdom rests on the basis of a literal interpretation of this massive material.
is he saying that the Old Testament parts that speak of the coming of the Messiah aren't fulfilled yet? i get that it says Jesus will rule on David's throne. but how come the old testament doesn't say anything about the time since Jesus came until today?
The only real contribution that the Book of Revelation makes to the knowledge of the Kingdom is to disclose just how long the Messianic Kingdom will last--namely one thousand years--for which the term Millennium is used. This is the one key truth concerning the Kingdom that was not revealed in the Old Testament.
However, there were two things about the Messianic Kingdom which were not revealed in the Old Testament. The first was the length of the Messianic Kingdom.
It is eternal (Jeremiah 32:40).
he said "the Messianic Kingdom will last--namely one thousand years"
that's not eternal. or is it? is that symbolic? what happens after that messianic kingdom? he says the kingdom comes to an end! and leads into an eternal order.
A second thing that was unknown from the Old Testament prophets was the circumstances by which the Kingdom would come to an end and how this would lead into the Eternal Order. This is also revealed by the Book of Revelation. These two items are all that Revelation 20 added to the knowledge of the Messianic Kingdom.
we were talking yesterdsay about the difference between the abraham covenant and the new covenant Jesus gave. Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum explains it like this,
The first of these is the Abrahamic Covenant, which promised an eternal Seed developing into a nation that will possess the Promised Land with some definite borders. While that nation--the Jews--continues to exist, never in Jewish history have they possessed all of the Promised Land. For this promise to be fulfilled, there must be a future Kingdom. Besides, the possession of the Land was not merely promised to Abraham's seed, but to Abraham personally when God said, to you will I give it, and to your seed for ever (Gen. 13:15). For God to fulfill His promise to Abraham (as well as to Isaac and Jacob), there must be a future Kingdom.
The second covenant is the Palestinian Covenant, or Land Covenant, that spoke of a worldwide regathering of the Jews and repossession of the Land following their dispersion. While the dispersion has already occurred and is in effect today, the regathering and repossession of the Land still awaits fulfillment in the future. This, too, requires a future Kingdom.
so i get all that. but he said,
The Davidic Covenant is the third covenant, and it promised
four eternal things: an eternal house (dynasty), an eternal throne, an eternal kingdom, and one eternal Person. The Dynasty became eternal because it culminated in a Person Who is Himself eternal: Jesus the Messiah. For that reason the Throne and Kingdom will be eternal as well. But Jesus has never yet sat on the Throne of David ruling over a Kingdom of Israel. The reestablishment of the Davidic Throne and Messiah's rule over the Kingdom still awaits a future fulfillment. It requires a future kingdom.
after he already said
The only real contribution that the Book of Revelation makes to the knowledge of the Kingdom is to disclose just
how long the Messianic Kingdom will last--namely one thousand years--for which the term Millennium is used. This is the one key truth concerning the Kingdom that was not revealed in the Old Testament.
how can it be eternal but only last for one thousand years?
a little bit more along he writes,
B. The Jewish Branch of Government
1. David: The King and Prince
The absolute monarchy of the Messiah will extend to Israel as well as to the Gentile nations. But directly under the Messianic King, having authority over all Israel, will be the resurrected David, who is given both titles of king and prince. He will be a king because he will rule over Israel, but he will be a prince in that he will be under the authority of the Messiah. Just as all the Gentile nations will have kings, so will Israel. The difference is that the Gentile kings will all have their natural bodies, while David will have his resurrected body.
"the Gentile kings will all have their natural bodies, while David will have his resurrected body."
where can i find that part (he doesn't say).
i might ask more later on this. the other link made a bit more sense. but the thing is, yesterday you said gentiles, or the church gets spiritual blessings in the new covenant, but you seemed to say israel hasn't even gotten the new covenant yet. is that what you meant, that they have to wait for it after Jesus comes?