Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Love God's type as in 1 Cor. 13:4-13 to all. has anyone ever asked Father to impute this type of love that we all know we can't do in the energy of our own flesh, maybe still on our way to see this
Look at those verses and ask self if you can pass the test of true love revealed here. I failed at all of these. Being in humilty I asked can I have these virtues, and Father does give them if you do want them and give up on self. As Saul did
Look at those verses and ask self if you can pass the test of true love revealed here. I failed at all of these. Being in humilty I asked can I have these virtues, and Father does give them if you do want them and give up on self. As Saul did
Jn 14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[h=3]Titus 3[/h]King James Version (KJV)
3 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
3 Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
WOW, where did you get all those false teachings, so foreign to anything taught by the mainline Christian Churches? I genuinely fear for your spiritual well being.
BORN AGAIN is the very moment the the Holy Spirit brings us to Saving Faith, which IS Believing unto receiving Jesus Christ as LORD which means MASTER. IT IS THE SAME MOMENT that the Holy Spirit enters our Heart never to leave us, AND IT IS THE SAME MOMENT that the Holy Spirit brings our once Dead to the Will of GOD human spirit to become ETERNALLY ALIVE. ALL OF THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE SAME MOMENT IN TIME.
Because that moment in time GENUINELY took place, WE LOVE HIM, and show that love for Him by walking in obedience out of a willing, loving heart, for the rest of our lives.
We truly are done discussing anything and everything, because all that is pouring out of your Posts is Apostate Teachings, and who ever taught them to you, has done you NO FAVOR, for you have settled for a counterfeit of genuine Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
BORN AGAIN is the very moment the the Holy Spirit brings us to Saving Faith, which IS Believing unto receiving Jesus Christ as LORD which means MASTER. IT IS THE SAME MOMENT that the Holy Spirit enters our Heart never to leave us, AND IT IS THE SAME MOMENT that the Holy Spirit brings our once Dead to the Will of GOD human spirit to become ETERNALLY ALIVE. ALL OF THAT TAKES PLACE IN THE SAME MOMENT IN TIME.
Because that moment in time GENUINELY took place, WE LOVE HIM, and show that love for Him by walking in obedience out of a willing, loving heart, for the rest of our lives.
We truly are done discussing anything and everything, because all that is pouring out of your Posts is Apostate Teachings, and who ever taught them to you, has done you NO FAVOR, for you have settled for a counterfeit of genuine Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
VCO,
so you been claiming, but I have not seen any evidence as yet that what I stated is false, either scripturally, theologically, or historically. And based on your sources they are all espousing man made theories.
So, you claim but scripture is quite different in explaining it.
When a person believes is what is called Justification by faith. It makes that person acceptable to God. Repentance and baptism is the sequence. Baptism is the moment of being "born from above". Baptism is entrance into Christ, John 3:5. That concept of INTO Christ is explained in Rom 6:3-4. It is also regenerative because when we enter into Christ, His Body, the Church, we have regenerated the union with God that was lost due to the condemnation through Adam.
that is the goal and purpose of God, but unfortunately what has been shown adnausem, a believer can fall away for many different reasons.
All you have shown is that the Gospel of Christ as understood and believed from the beginning IS NOT THE SAME gospel that you espouse. In that the Gospel of Christ is definitely heretical to your personal interpretation. And all you can give as sources are more men and their perosnal interpretations which for two of them are Calvinists.
I don't even need to read the rest of the quotation from your source since the first line is contrary to scripture already. There is NO time in your life that you have all your sins forgiven past, present and future. You are forgiven of the present ONLY when you confess them. That makes them past. But any sin not confessed is not forgiven. There is no unilateral event anytime that forgives your sins even those that you have yet to commit.
Your other three sources say the same thing. Four men who are actually denying the Incarnation. It seems to be quite prevelent in sola scriptura. They may use the word, but have absolutely no understanding of the salvific content of the Incarnation. McArther and McGee are Calvinist which puts them outside of most of scripture as it was given in the beginning.
And these are your sources for understanding Titus 3:5?
On the other hand, since you think it is false, where is your evidence that the early Church believed as you do? Or do you believe that Christ's Body has ceased to exist, that the Gospel is no longer unified and that the Holy Spirit was unable to guide the Church, and to preserve the Gospel of Christ?
so you been claiming, but I have not seen any evidence as yet that what I stated is false, either scripturally, theologically, or historically. And based on your sources they are all espousing man made theories.
So, you claim but scripture is quite different in explaining it.
When a person believes is what is called Justification by faith. It makes that person acceptable to God. Repentance and baptism is the sequence. Baptism is the moment of being "born from above". Baptism is entrance into Christ, John 3:5. That concept of INTO Christ is explained in Rom 6:3-4. It is also regenerative because when we enter into Christ, His Body, the Church, we have regenerated the union with God that was lost due to the condemnation through Adam.
that is the goal and purpose of God, but unfortunately what has been shown adnausem, a believer can fall away for many different reasons.
All you have shown is that the Gospel of Christ as understood and believed from the beginning IS NOT THE SAME gospel that you espouse. In that the Gospel of Christ is definitely heretical to your personal interpretation. And all you can give as sources are more men and their perosnal interpretations which for two of them are Calvinists.
I don't even need to read the rest of the quotation from your source since the first line is contrary to scripture already. There is NO time in your life that you have all your sins forgiven past, present and future. You are forgiven of the present ONLY when you confess them. That makes them past. But any sin not confessed is not forgiven. There is no unilateral event anytime that forgives your sins even those that you have yet to commit.
Your other three sources say the same thing. Four men who are actually denying the Incarnation. It seems to be quite prevelent in sola scriptura. They may use the word, but have absolutely no understanding of the salvific content of the Incarnation. McArther and McGee are Calvinist which puts them outside of most of scripture as it was given in the beginning.
And these are your sources for understanding Titus 3:5?
On the other hand, since you think it is false, where is your evidence that the early Church believed as you do? Or do you believe that Christ's Body has ceased to exist, that the Gospel is no longer unified and that the Holy Spirit was unable to guide the Church, and to preserve the Gospel of Christ?
by making the statement you also do not understand the Incarnation.
Christ's work is finished. He saved the world from death and sin. He freed mankind/ world from the bondage to death and sin. this is the great Gift of salvation, by God's love, mercy, and grace to all men/world. Man has nothing to do with it.
However, the purpose of that work was to enable man and God to renew the union unto eternity that was lost through Adam. Which is why Christ is called the Second Adam.
Christ did not grant eternal life by his work of redemption. Eternal life, though a gift, as all things are a gift from God, must be attained. It is the purpose of why man was created. It is all about living IN Christ through faith. It is an active faith, not passive, it is a continuous faith, not one that dies. It is about perfecting ourselves after our model and example Christ.
Christ is thus not misquoted, nor did He lie. Some men just do not understand scripture. They think that they actually have the ability to figure out what it might mean all on their own, and only from a text. The failed theory of sola scriptura is manifest.
Christ's work is finished. He saved the world from death and sin. He freed mankind/ world from the bondage to death and sin. this is the great Gift of salvation, by God's love, mercy, and grace to all men/world. Man has nothing to do with it.
However, the purpose of that work was to enable man and God to renew the union unto eternity that was lost through Adam. Which is why Christ is called the Second Adam.
Christ did not grant eternal life by his work of redemption. Eternal life, though a gift, as all things are a gift from God, must be attained. It is the purpose of why man was created. It is all about living IN Christ through faith. It is an active faith, not passive, it is a continuous faith, not one that dies. It is about perfecting ourselves after our model and example Christ.
Christ is thus not misquoted, nor did He lie. Some men just do not understand scripture. They think that they actually have the ability to figure out what it might mean all on their own, and only from a text. The failed theory of sola scriptura is manifest.
Exactly who St. Paul said it is, the Church which is the pillar of truth, which means that the Church alone can be assured of correct interpretation, since we, as humans will spin and read what we wish to see. The Church has the Holy Spirit, which will guide it and protect it from corruption and long standing heresy.
Christ as Head of His Body, the Church, the pillar and ground of the Truth, which is enlivened by the Holy Spirit. This is in scirpture by the way. The Holy Spirit would guide the Apostles into ALL TRUTH, and help them recall all that was taught to them. Christ prayed that the Gospel would be unifed as He is with the Father. Christ promised never to leave nor forsake the Church, His Body.