Are Non-Trinitarians saved?

[CRC]

Is God a Trinity?
What is the origin of the myth? “The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true . . . The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, page 299.
“The Council of Nicaea met on May 20, 325 [C.E.]. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed . . . the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council, ‘of one substance with the Father.’ . . . Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.”—Encyclopædia Britannica (1970), Volume 6, page 386.

 

[heavenlyparadise]

There is only one God, the father.
There are many sons of God whom he called through the first son, Jesus.
The spirit is the nature of God or the power of God. This spirit can be poured out on every one whom father loves.
Trinity doctrine was adopted from pagan religions and empowered by leaders to make a one huge mixed religious power, the Catholic.
And this United huge religion, the Catholic was used as a tool for political controlling power.

Trinity doctrine is nothing but right or wrong.

 

[Timeline]

I personally don't believe that when we get to Heaven that God is going to ask, "Are there one or three?" And then He will judge us based on that answer. This topic is confusing and to tell you the truth I don't really know. In some places it seems quite clear that there is one God. And in other places the bible seems to indicated three and a definite separation of beings (if you will). I think it is good to wonder about this, but I most definitely don't believe it is a Salvation issue. Jesus came to earth, died, and was resurrected for our sins. We accept Him and live Christian lives.

When Philip baptized the Eunuch, he didn't ask, "Do you believe in the Trinity?" He just taught Jesus Christ and then baptized the Ethiopian Eunuch. I think sometimes we make salvation more complicated than it is. We need to teach the good news, not the okay news, or the troublesome news, or the burden news.

I hope that I didn't offend, but I am sure that I did. I lean toward three with the same goal, but when I asked my preacher about it, He said that we (the church where I attend) believe in only one God with three forms. We see in the bible that a man shall be joined to his wife and that they will become one flesh. Now two literally form one flesh through a child. But I don't really think that is what it means. God intends for a married couple to function together. Much the same way as He expects the Church to be of the same mind as Jesus, being the bride of Jesus. So, the two have become one, though they are two. And the Three are One as they have the same mind.

Again, I could be wrong, tough topic, but not a salvation issue.

 

[Timeline]

I personally don't believe that when we get to Heaven that God is going to ask, "Are there one or three?" And then He will judge us based on that answer. This topic is confusing and to tell you the truth I don't really know. In some places it seems quite clear that there is one God. And in other places the bible seems to indicated three and a definite separation of beings (if you will). I think it is good to wonder about this, but I most definitely don't believe it is a Salvation issue. Jesus came to earth, died, and was resurrected for our sins. We accept Him and live Christian lives.

When Philip baptized the Eunuch, he didn't ask, "Do you believe in the Trinity?" He just taught Jesus Christ and then baptized the Ethiopian Eunuch. I think sometimes we make salvation more complicated than it is. We need to teach the good news, not the okay news, or the troublesome news, or the burden news.

I hope that I didn't offend, but I am sure that I did. I lean toward three with the same goal, but when I asked my preacher about it, He said that we (the church where I attend) believe in only one God with three forms. We see in the bible that a man shall be joined to his wife and that they will become one flesh. Now two literally form one flesh through a child. But I don't really think that is what it means. God intends for a married couple to function together. Much the same way as He expects the Church to be of the same mind as Jesus, being the bride of Jesus. So, the two have become one, though they are two. And the Three are One as they have the same mind.

Again, I could be wrong, tough topic, but not a salvation issue.

Of course, I do think that you need to accept Jesus. I believe that was clear in my previous post. But I do want to clarify, responding to the original post, that I am not sure that JW accept Jesus as their Savior and Mormons put all their stock in Joseph Smith - I believe that is their problem. We are saved in Jesus Christ and He is the only door/gate. Ultimately it is up to God, but I do think that you are in extreme danger when you deny the Savior, the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

 

[newbirth]

Re: man of straw...

You keep claiming that The meaning of the Trinity has somehow changed....and yet, you can't produce any scripture to show that it has.

In fact, the only scripture that you posit was rendered by Trinitarians in the first place.

This is called hypocrisy...

We worship God we worship Christ We worship in the spirit but never worship the spirit

 

[newbirth]

The word “trinity” does not appear in the Bible. And yet denying the trinity is the #1 definition of a cult. Does that make sense?
The way the term is used in casual literature and sermons we are given the impression that the trinity is spoken of on every page of the Bible – but is it? Can YOU turn to a dozen verses which mention it? Five? Even one?
Christianity today teaches that God exists as three distinct persons who coexist as one; at the same time, they are both one being, and three beings. They quibble over the details, but in general they agree on that much. They plainly admit that it makes little if any sense, but believe it is true nonetheless claiming it is simply beyond the comprehension of man.
But did you ever read in the Bible where it says “God is a trinity”? Did you ever read a single verse that says God is three beings in one? Have you ever read a verse where anyone prays to the Holy Spirit? (not through, by, or in the spirit, but TO the spirit?)
Have you ever read a verse that contains this exact phrase “God the Holy Spirit”, or “the Holy Spirit IS God/Lord”? There are many such verses regarding the divinity of Jesus or the Father; why are there no such verses regarding the Holy Spirit? read more....TheSimpleAnswers.com

 

[Bowman]

Translations + interpretation makes it second hand inspiration.

That's why you study the original language.

 

[Bowman]

Re: man of straw...

We worship God we worship Christ We worship in the spirit but never worship the spirit

God is Spirit.

 

[Bowman]

The word “trinity” does not appear in the Bible. And yet denying the trinity is the #1 definition of a cult. Does that make sense?

Unitarians think that God is a monad....and yet, that word does not appear in the Holy Bible.

Does that make sense?

The way the term is used in casual literature and sermons we are given the impression that the trinity is spoken of on every page of the Bible – but is it? Can YOU turn to a dozen verses which mention it? Five? Even one?

Can we find anywhere in the Holy Bible that God is labeled as a monad? One verse?

Christianity today teaches that God exists as three distinct persons who coexist as one; at the same time, they are both one being, and three beings.

Three persons; One being.

You've been fighting a strawman of your own misunderstanding...

They quibble over the details, but in general they agree on that much.

No.

They plainly admit that it makes little if any sense, but believe it is true nonetheless claiming it is simply beyond the comprehension of man.

An infinite Creator would likewise reveal Himself as infinite.

But did you ever read in the Bible where it says “God is a trinity”?

First three verses of Genesis.

Did you ever read a single verse that says God is three beings in one?

Three persons; One being. Mat 28.19.

Have you ever read a verse where anyone prays to the Holy Spirit? (not through, by, or in the spirit, but TO the spirit?)

The Holy Spirit accepts prayer.

 

[newbirth]

Re: man of straw...

God is Spirit.

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[Bowman]

Re: man of straw...

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

How does the ONE God want to be worshiped?

Proper worship of God:

But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeks such, the ones worshiping Him. God is spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.
(John 4.23 - 24)


This proper worship is as a Triune entity:

• Father
• Son (Truth)
• Spirit

 

[newbirth]

Three persons; One being. Mat 28.19.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If you had known the Father you would have known the Son.
John 14:



[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Form your own conclusion but let the word of God be true....still no trinity. Jesus is saying he is the Holy Ghost.
One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[heavenlyparadise]

Re: man of straw...

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

So, we also are in One God.
Even We are in the Father, and the Jesus.
This means that we all are in ONENESS.

We, Holy ones are the same images of our God.
Because our God, the father gave us his own Holy Spirit.

He called us in His Own Glory through Jesus.
Therefore, the God, and the Jesus, and we are in ONE, Holiness.

The Trinity is just an idea that in early time, some greedy Catholic leaders put their idea too much stresses.
They even killed so many christians who disagreed their idea of God's identity.

If some Christians here keep putting so much stresses in this futile idea of God's identity, he or she is the followers of Catholic leaders who had murdering mind. They murdered so many brothers and sisters who love Jesus and God.

Those who judge other christians with this catholic killing trinity doctrine, he or she will be judged too.
You who even do not know the exact identity of Human, how much do you know about God?
Because those who so strongly attached with trinity, they even put this trinity story on the top of salvation doctrine.
And start to hating and murdering and judging those who disagreed.

The statement of our God is Trinity or not is just a knowledge could be right or wrong level.
Do not give any powers ,,do not clothe upon this trinity doctrine a garment of Holiness even to kill other who disagreed.

if you, whoever are keep judging or hating with this catholic killing tool, you are worshiping the catholic leaders.
Because you're slaves of the Catholic leader who even to kill so many brothers and sisters who disagreed the trinity.
You're just their hating powers as a tool, in the same murdering mind with Catholic leaders.

Our God is not going to kill all people through the Catholic leader's opinions.
Our God is the father of Jesus, not judging his people by how much we know about his identity.
Our God is going to judge us by his own law, to love each other till die.

Do not put any manmade story Holiness by your own interpretation which is a rubber measuring for an extension.

 

[Bowman]

Three persons; One being. Mat 28.19.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

If you had known the Father you would have known the Son.
John 14:



[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

[SUP]24 [/SUP]He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Form your own conclusion but let the word of God be true....still no trinity. Jesus is saying he is the Holy Ghost.
One God the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ.

Absolutely not!


Mat 28.19

πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος


Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents.


However, while distinction is made between the referents, each has the same singular name.

 

[heavenlyparadise]

Absolutely not!


Mat 28.19

πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος


Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents.


However, while distinction is made between the referents, each has the same singular name.

This verse telling the important functions of each role for the believers

 

[newbirth]

Absolutely not!


Mat 28.19

πορευθεντες ουν μαθητευσατε παντα τα εθνη βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος


Then having gone, disciple all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,


This passage contains arthrous substantives connected via kai which indicates distinction and separate referents.


However, while distinction is made between the referents, each has the same singular name.

Are you denying John 14;18 and 26 I will not add 23 because you may get more confused

 

[Bowman]

Are you denying John 14;18 and 26 I will not add 23 because you may get more confused

And...?

None of these verses indicate that The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

Not in English.

Not in Greek.

 

[skipp]

There are many sons of God whom he called through the first son, Jesus.

Could you explain this further? I don't understand what you mean by "there are many sons of God".

 

[heavenlyparadise]

Could you explain this further? I don't understand what you mean by "there are many sons of God".

Yes, We are the children of the God through Jesus's blood and flesh.
The God caused us to be born again by his own glory, his own image exactly the same as Jesus.
This Jesus is our first big brother whom the father brought into the same God's form.
We who received Jesus's blood and flesh are transfigured into this God's form too.
It is God's desire or theGod's master plan that through the first born, the Jesus,, many sons of God reveal as God said. Because
The God said through his first born Son, The Jesus,,, Let there be the lights of the sons of God.
The God is light. So are we who received the light, The Jesus.
We are all in one in God.
The same image of God's own image.

 

[newbirth]

And...?

None of these verses indicate that The Holy Spirit is Jesus.

Not in English.

Not in Greek.

OK...
[SUP]16[/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Comforter=spirit of truth=he dwelleth with you =Jesus,=and shall be in you.=comforter
[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.=Jesus will not leave you comfortless=comforter= Jesus will come to you
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 6:19[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
As I said before form your own conclusion but let God be true.... no trinity here.