Nephilim Created Dinosaurs? Righteo then.

[Tintin]

I recently came across this theory that dinosaurs weren't created by God but that they were genetically-engineered by Nephilim. Personally, I believe God created dinosaurs (and similar extinct creatures) roughly 6,000 years ago. Where do people even find a smattering of biblical evidence for beliefs about Nephilim manipulating the DNA of creatures to create dinosaurs? Yes, dinosaurs were weird-looking and some were huge and others dangerous, but that doesn't mean God didn't create them. I Googled this topic and only found crack-pot conspiracy pages and the first entry on Google (GodLikeProductions) bans ISPs from the word get-go (they must be preserving the truth - lol). Is this a well-known belief? Has it been around long? Also, where's the 'evidence'? Thanks

 

[Desdichado]

Life will find a way...

 

[MarkMulder]

I recently came across this theory that dinosaurs weren't created by God but that they were genetically-engineered by Nephilim...

WRONG!

 

[Tintin]

Come on, guys. I know it's a silly theory, I just want to have a reasonable discussion.

 

[MarkMulder]

Come on, guys. I know it's a silly theory, I just want to have a reasonable discussion.

You want to have a reasonable discussion about a silly theory?
Good luck with that...

 

[Tintin]

You want to have a reasonable discussion about a silly theory?
Good luck with that...

Okay, I walked into that one. Still, no need to be a goober.

 

[TKICBS]

Well first of all nephilim did exist and scripture supports the understanding that they came from outside the earth's atmosphere. I know that was not the question but to address the issue it is important to understand the truth about them. If you reseach "in seach of the Nephilim" you find ample proof of this. I would only repeat what you would find there.
As for genetic altering to create the dinosaurs I would have to say that this is the result of a poor imagination.
If the Nephilim had the knowledge to alter dinosaurs genes you can bet they would have used it on man as well. I know of no dinosaurs that closely resembled another dino to give credit to the idea. Every record I have seen seems to indicate the descendents always were patterned after the parent.
In your search for truth I would say you could safely throw this one out.

 

[Tintin]

Yes, thank you. I understand that the Nephilim existed and were the offspring of fallen angels and human women. You're probably right about the theory concerning Nephilim creating dinosaurs and that it's just a result of poor imagination. Still, I thought the silliest theories had some starting point. Thanks for posting.

 

[doseofreality]

Well first of all nephilim did exist and scripture supports the understanding that they came from outside the earth's atmosphere. I know that was not the question but to address the issue it is important to understand the truth about them. If you reseach "in seach of the Nephilim" you find ample proof of this. I would only repeat what you would find there.
As for genetic altering to create the dinosaurs I would have to say that this is the result of a poor imagination.
If the Nephilim had the knowledge to alter dinosaurs genes you can bet they would have used it on man as well. I know of no dinosaurs that closely resembled another dino to give credit to the idea. Every record I have seen seems to indicate the descendents always were patterned after the parent.
In your search for truth I would say you could safely throw this one out.

So you are saying there is evidence of angelic beings and more so evidence they had sex with human women to produce a mystical creature called "Nephilim" ??

You do realize successful breeding can only occur between species with similar genetic makeup. Thus angels would have 23 chromosomes despite being invisible and part of another dimension??

 

[Tintin]

So you are saying there is evidence of angelic beings and more so evidence they had sex with human women to produce a mystical creature called "Nephilim" ??

You do realize successful breeding can only occur between species with similar genetic makeup. Thus angels would have 23 chromosomes despite being invisible and part of another dimension??

Dose, if that's what the Word of God records, as strange as it sounds, it's considered to be true. Some people take their speculations too far and there's no physical evidence for such things but there are gods breeding with humans and creating demi-gods from most cultures around the world. Why would they have that commonality? And while we're at it, many also have stories with parallels to the Creation, Fall, Flood and Tower (Genesis 1-11).

 

[doseofreality]

Dose, if that's what the Word of God records, as strange as it sounds, it's considered to be true. Some people take their speculations too far and there's no physical evidence for such things but there are gods breeding with humans and creating demi-gods from most cultures around the world. Why would they have that commonality? And while we're at it, many also have stories with parallels to the Creation, Fall, Flood and Tower (Genesis 1-11).

I agree and understand your basis for thinking it is true, I was mostly questioning the statement saying there is "ample proof of this"

Yes in mythologies there are many parallel stories with what is recorded in the Bible....that can be taken two ways.
Either the bible story is also a myth or the bible story is true and the other myths are variants on that truth.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I'd say it is plausible, but that there are plausible alternatives also and even if we assume the fallen angels did alter or manipulate dinosaurs, they are unable to create them. Heh though no need to jump that far, it's possible mankind could've done the same thing when you consider man's been domesticating or breeding or manipulating animals for thousands of years. Also plausible could be both, or simply dinosaurs bear hallmarks of diseases due to whole earth being corrupted.

Either way though, if certain dinosaur Kinds were corruptly made they surely perished by a lot of water and dirt moving around violently it seems to me.

 

[breno785au]

I dont have much time to look into this at the moment but I do wonder if whoever believes this theory think that the giraffe was genetically modified by the Nephilim? they look pretty dinosaur-y to me, though they arnt a lizard.

 

[Illuminated]

I recently came across this theory that dinosaurs weren't created by God but that they were genetically-engineered by Nephilim. Personally, I believe God created dinosaurs (and similar extinct creatures) roughly 6,000 years ago. Where do people even find a smattering of biblical evidence for beliefs about Nephilim manipulating the DNA of creatures to create dinosaurs? Yes, dinosaurs were weird-looking and some were huge and others dangerous, but that doesn't mean God didn't create them. I Googled this topic and only found crack-pot conspiracy pages and the first entry on Google (GodLikeProductions) bans ISPs from the word get-go (they must be preserving the truth - lol). Is this a well-known belief? Has it been around long? Also, where's the 'evidence'? Thanks

That theory sounds like secular man's latest attempt to darken the world once again.

I've personally invested a lot of time studying the dinosaur issue in relation to the bible & creation. I can't possible share everything I've accumulated and learned on this thread. But here are a few things for starters.

We know God created ALL living creatures great and small in Gen 1:20-25. That includes dinosaurs. Dinosaurs are in the bible. They are just not called "dinosaurs". The word dinosaur was invented in the 1800's and simply means "deinos" (great, powerful, terrible,) and "sauros" (lizard). You don't see "dinosaur" in old books/bibles. Instead, they were called other words such as dragons, behemoth, leviathan, or great big lizards, etc... The bible talks about very large creatures but it uses old terminology. One example is in Job Chapter 40 & 41. Notice in 40:15 this beast was made the same day Adam was. This beast was huge and notice it had large scales.

In the beginning, dinosaurs/dragons were good and were tame. Like man, all the beasts were vegetarian. To eat meat is to cause death. Death didn't start till after the fall.

Technically an alligator is a dinosaur (great big lizard).

 

[MidniteWelder]

From Job 40&41
15“Look at Behemoth,

which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17Its tail sways like a cedar;




1“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9Any hope of subduing it is false;

the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10No one is fierce enough to rouse it.

Who then is able to stand against me?
(this comparison right here is explaining if you can see how powerful this creature is
...how much more powerful is the creator)


11Who has a claim against me that I must pay?Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12“I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,its strength and its graceful form.
13Who can strip off its outer coat?Who can penetrate its double coat of armor ?
14Who dares open the doors of its mouth,ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15Its back has rows of shields tightly sealed together;
16each is so close to the next that no air can pass between.
17They are joined fast to one another;they cling together and cannot be parted.

18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,and flames dart from its mouth.
----Firebreathing... Cool

33 Nothing on earth is its equal—


These sound like terribly magnificent lizards to me.

 

[john832]

There are those of us who do beleive the earth is 4.5 billion (or whatever, but older than six thousand years) years old. I personally see an original creation, a destruction during Satan's rebellion and a recreation happenening in Gen 1:1-2.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

God does not create chaos and confusion (the words tohu and bohu that without form and void are rendered from) but rather a stunningly beautiful creation that caused the angels to shout for joy.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word "was" here in verse 2 can be rendered "became" and is in this verse...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Same word as was in Gen 1:2...

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

 

[Tintin]

Hmm... Illuminated. Actually, I read up on the theory a bit more. Apparently it was a belief held by early creationists and that's why they didn't believe dinosaurs were compatible with the Bible. Not sure where they came up with these theories but I'll try to look into it a bit more.

Agreed on everything else you said about 'dragons' being dinosaurs, save for the bit about the alligator (or crocodile) being a dinosaur. It's a descendant of dinosaur-like creatures but true dinosaurs had their legs positioned beneath their bodies.

 

[Tintin]

There are those of us who do beleive the earth is 4.5 billion (or whatever, but older than six thousand years) years old. I personally see an original creation, a destruction during Satan's rebellion and a recreation happenening in Gen 1:1-2.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

God does not create chaos and confusion (the words tohu and bohu that without form and void are rendered from) but rather a stunningly beautiful creation that caused the angels to shout for joy.

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

The word "was" here in verse 2 can be rendered "became" and is in this verse...

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Same word as was in Gen 1:2...

H1961
היה
hâyâh
haw-yaw'
A primitive root (compare H1933); to exist, that is, be or become, come to pass (always emphatic, and not a mere copula or auxiliary): - beacon, X altogether, be (-come, accomplished, committed, like), break, cause, come (to pass), continue, do, faint, fall, + follow, happen, X have, last, pertain, quit (one-) self, require, X use.

Yeah, I've heard all of that before but again, there's no textual evidence in the Bible for the gap theory. You can jump hoops to create connection but you have to really mess with the text to come to such an understanding.

Creation Ministries International - Creation, Evolution, Apologetics and more! is great at refuting the gap theory, day-age theory, Framework Hypothesis, and I believe theistic evolution and atheistic evolution. Have a look and see for yourself.

 

[Tintin]

From Job 40&41
15“Look at Behemoth,

which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17Its tail sways like a cedar;




1“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9Any hope of subduing it is false;

the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10No one is fierce enough to rouse it.

Who then is able to stand against me?
(this comparison right here is explaining if you can see how powerful this creature is
...how much more powerful is the creator)


11Who has a claim against me that I must pay?Everything under heaven belongs to me.
12“I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,its strength and its graceful form.
13Who can strip off its outer coat?Who can penetrate its double coat of armor ?
14Who dares open the doors of its mouth,ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15Its back has rows of shields tightly sealed together;
16each is so close to the next that no air can pass between.
17They are joined fast to one another;they cling together and cannot be parted.

18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,and flames dart from its mouth.
----Firebreathing... Cool

33 Nothing on earth is its equal—


These sound like terribly magnificent lizards to me.

Aw, he looks so happy!
Yes, I agree that Behemoth was probably a sauropod dinosaur but Leviathan was likely a giant crocodile-like creature, maybe the Kronosaur.

 

[Hungry]

I think Genesis was written for a nomadic nation trying to get an idea of Yahweh, and a general history of man. These tribes were assimilated into Egyptian culture and probably had no idea who the God of Abraham truly was. I think the story Moses gave had as much need to know information that was necessary to follow the pillar of smoke/fire through the desert. I think as far as being a complete account of history it falls short in many areas. Many archeological and scientific discoveries cast light on the fact that there was much, much more to the story. Trying to fit everything into the confines of scripture is just going to cause division. Let's face it, nobody really knows or will know in this life. Those with the knowledge prefer to keep us in the dark because that way they can make up anything they want, teach it to the children and remove God from their minds.