Catholic Heresy (for the record)

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Linda70

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unknown2you said:
Are you saying that Jesus is the Word? yes or no?
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The Bible clearly states that in John 1:1

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The Scriptures clearly teach the deity of Jesus.

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Who Says Jesus Christ Is God?

David called Him God (Matthew 22:43-45).

Isaiah called Him God (Isaiah 7:14; 9:6).

Jeremiah called Him God (Jeremiah 23:5-6).

Matthew called Him God (Matthew 1:23).

Christ called Himself God (John 5:17-18; 8:58-59; 10:30-33; Revelation 1:8).

The angels called Him God (Luke 2:11).

John called Him God (John 1:1; 1 John 3:16; 5:20).

The blind man called Him God (John 9:35-38).

Thomas called Him God (John 20:28).

Peter called Him God (Acts 10:34-36).

Paul called Him God (Acts 20:28; Philippians 2:5-6; 1 Timothy 3:16; Titus 2:13).

God the Father called Him God (Hebrews 1:8-9). Hebrews 1:8-9 is quoted from Psalm 45, and in Psalm 45 it is obvious that God the Father, Jehovah God, is speaking about the Son. God the Father calls the Son God, and God the Son calls the Father God. This is the mystery of the Trinity. Though we do not fully understand it, we believe it because it is the teaching of the Scriptures.

However, you quoted where I said that no Bible writer ever called Mary the "mother of God".
 
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faroukfarouk

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'God of God,
Light of Light,
Lo, He abhors not the virgin's womb,
Verily God,
Begotten, not created,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ, the Lord!'
 
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MarkMulder

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faroukfarouk said:
'God of God,
Light of Light,
Lo, He abhors not the virgin's womb,
Verily God,
Begotten, not created,
O come, let us adore Him,
Christ, the Lord!'
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"Don we now our gay apparel,
Fa la la, la la la, la la la.
Troll the ancient Yule tide carol,
Fa la la la la, la la la la."


Most carols don't make any sense at all, just saying. :rolleyes:
 
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TaylorTG

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Linda70 said:
God is ETERNAL...God has NO mother!
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When we say that the blessed virgin is God's mother, we don't mean mother in the sense where the blessed virgin is the source of Christ's divine essence. Rather, we mean mother in the sense where the blessed virgin simply gave birth to Christ.


People who say that the virgin Mary is not the mother of God are in fact misunderstanding the nature of motherhood.


Our parents don't craft our souls, God does. Yet do we call our parents "The moms and dads of our physical bodies"? No, we simply call them our parents. This same logic applies to Christ's relationship with the blessed virgin.
 
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TKICBS

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Many Catholics are Christian. They love Jesus and believe in the true resurrection of the dead, the rapture and many other doctrines. The problem is not the lay people but it is the head and doctrines. There is a video testimony of a lady Christian named Slavi Illuminati defector on youtube that might help Catholics understand the true nature of the Monarchy. In her testimony she explains that at 12 years old she was taken to the vatican to be initiated into the illuminati. With 6 other girls she was taken to a room in the basements. There was a witches pentagram painted in the floor. They were made to watch as a catholic priest brought a 5 xyear old boy in and butchered him on an alter before their eyes. She served the illuminati for 30 years in fear for her life. At 40 she gave her life to Jesus and since then has been warning others.
The new pope is the first jesuit to become a pope. You do well to search the internet for the black pope and the jesuit oath. Then ask yourself if he is christian based on JESUS' teaching.
Then read Revelation 17 and ask Jesus, not Mary, to reveal to you who Babylon the Great truly is.
If that doesn't open your eyes try reading the bible in faith.
 
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Linda70

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TaylorTG said:
When we say that the blessed virgin is God's mother, we don't mean mother in the sense where the blessed virgin is the source of Christ's divine essence. Rather, we mean mother in the sense where the blessed virgin simply gave birth to Christ.
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Mary is never called the `mother of God.' While she was the mother of Jesus as a man; the eternal Son of God had no beginning. Jesus refers particularly to the Lord's humanity and incarnation by which He became a man to die for our sins, Christ refers particularly to the Lord's eternal deity as the Son of God. Mary did not give birth to His deity (which is Christ)...therefore, God has no mother. Roman Catholicism calls Mary the "Mother of God" and also the Mother of the Church...of which she is neither.
People who say that the virgin Mary is not the mother of God are in fact misunderstanding the nature of motherhood.
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I am a mother and I certainly DO understand the nature of motherhood. There is NO motherhood of God...period. Roman Catholicism teaches this false doctrine, although they will deny it and try and explain it away, as you have tried to do, TaylorTG. Mary is not the "Mother of God"...God has no mother.
Our parents don't craft our souls, God does. Yet do we call our parents "The moms and dads of our physical bodies"? No, we simply call them our parents. This same logic applies to Christ's relationship with the blessed virgin.
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Only problem with what you just said is there is no Scripture to "prove" your "logic". Comparing the incarnation of Jesus Christ to our "human conception" is a strawman. There is no Scripture which tells us of Jesus' "relationship" to Mary. So quit trying to make up a story where Scriptures are silent. You are simply "adding" man's logic to God's Word. Mary was called "blessed among (not above) women" by Elizabeth (Luke 1:42). Mary calls herself a "handmaid of the Lord" (Luke 1:38).

Where in Scripture did Jesus ever call Mary His "Mother"?

Roman Catholicism elevates Mary above Jesus Christ through their veneration and worship of her...even though they deny this.
 
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Linda70 said:
Mary is never called the `mother of God.' While she was the mother of Jesus as a man; the eternal Son of God had no beginning. Jesus refers particularly to the Lord's humanity and incarnation by which He became a man to die for our sins, Christ refers particularly to the Lord's eternal deity as the Son of God. Mary did not give birth to His deity (which is Christ)...therefore, God has no mother. Roman Catholicism calls Mary the "Mother of God" and also the Mother of the Church...of which she is neither.
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God the Son is eternally begotten by God the Father (God the Son does not have a divine mother, only a divine Father).
God the Son incarnated in the man Jesus Christ; He took a human nature, from a human mother (He does not have a human father, only a human mother).
St Mary did not cause Christ' deity. She caused (with the colaboration of the Holy Spirit) Christ' humanity.
By saying that St. Mary is the "mother of our God" we affirm Christ' deity, not St. Mary's deity.
Jesus Christ, God the Son, is the only person of the St. Trinity that has both a divine and a human nature.
 
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Spokenpassage

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What's wrong with just saying, "she's the mother of Jesus"?
 
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Spokenpassage said:
What's wrong with just saying, "she's the mother of Jesus"?
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We do not want to give satisfaction to the deviated mentality of some neoprotestants that do not believe that Jesus Christ is God!
 
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MarkMulder

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Spokenpassage said:
What's wrong with just saying, "she's the mother of Jesus"?
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[SUP]"46 [/SUP]While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. [SUP]47 [/SUP]Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
[SUP]48 [/SUP]He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” [SUP]49 [/SUP]Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. [SUP]50 [/SUP]For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”"

[Matthew 12:46-50]
 
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aom

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ANGEL Gabriel relayed the message; Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Would a HOLY GOD, choose a
woman of stain to bore his Only begotten SON, HOLY as He Is?
Why Elizabeth exclaimed, `And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me`? Is it wrong torecognized and honor Mary as the Mother of GOD in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh"and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ?

If asserted that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. A mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb but also carries the person of her child. For women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

IF claimed that Mary did not give birth to the unified person of Jesus Christ, is this an attempt to separate Christ’s human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate and distinctpersons—one divine and one human—united in a loose affiliation?

Though Mary did not provide Jesus with either his divine nature or his immortal human soul, she is still his Mother because she did not give birth to a body, a soul, a nature, or even two natures—she gave birth to a Person. And that one Person is God.
 
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aom said:
ANGEL Gabriel relayed the message; Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Would a HOLY GOD, choose a
woman of stain to bore his Only begotten SON, HOLY as He Is?
Why Elizabeth exclaimed, `And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me`? Is it wrong torecognized and honor Mary as the Mother of GOD in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh"and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ?

If asserted that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. A mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb but also carries the person of her child. For women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

IF claimed that Mary did not give birth to the unified person of Jesus Christ, is this an attempt to separate Christ’s human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate and distinctpersons—one divine and one human—united in a loose affiliation?

Though Mary did not provide Jesus with either his divine nature or his immortal human soul, she is still his Mother because she did not give birth to a body, a soul, a nature, or even two natures—she gave birth to a Person. And that one Person is God.
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Well said.
 
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TaylorTG

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MarkMulder said:
"Last edited by TaylorTG; 13 Minutes Ago at 08:59 AM. Reason: grammer error"
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This isn't the first time you have accused me of such editing.

Lets remove arrogance from our future posts.






aom said:
If asserted that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. A mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb but also carries the person of her child. For women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

Though Mary did not provide Jesus with either his divine nature or his immortal human soul, she is still his Mother because she did not give birth to a body, a soul, a nature, or even two natures—she gave birth to a Person. And that one Person is God.
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Please marry me.
 
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aom said:
ANGEL Gabriel relayed the message; Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God.The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Would a HOLY GOD, choose a
woman of stain to bore his Only begotten SON, HOLY as He Is?
Why Elizabeth exclaimed, `And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me`? Is it wrong torecognized and honor Mary as the Mother of GOD in the sense that she carried in her womb a divine person—Jesus Christ, God "in the flesh"and in the sense that she contributed the genetic matter to the human form God took in Jesus Christ?

If asserted that Mary did not carry God in her womb, but only carried Christ’s human nature. A mother does not merely carry the human nature of her child in her womb but also carries the person of her child. For women do not give birth to human natures; they give birth to persons. Mary thus carried and gave birth to the person of Jesus Christ, and the person she gave birth to was God.

IF claimed that Mary did not give birth to the unified person of Jesus Christ, is this an attempt to separate Christ’s human nature from his divine nature, creating two separate and distinctpersons—one divine and one human—united in a loose affiliation?

Though Mary did not provide Jesus with either his divine nature or his immortal human soul, she is still his Mother because she did not give birth to a body, a soul, a nature, or even two natures—she gave birth to a Person. And that one Person is God.
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Very good the distinction between nature on one hand and person, on the other hand.
 
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fellclaw01

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OMG

Everyone is sinful except God and therefore Jesus. I see your point - it is dangerous to focus on any aspect of religion or tradition over the teaching if Jesus Christ. But calling stuff heresy and saying Catholics are bit Christian is a little harsh. Doesn't it all begin with love and acceptance?

I was brought up a catholic and don't mind going to a Catholic Church on occasion. I enjoy being around people who love God. The only thing I didn't really like is I felt since returning to God I realized that my religious education was lacking. But without Catholism I would never have had the fertile ground to grow my faith
There is a very militant tone to this thread maybe we should all examine our
 
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fellclaw01

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Failings first and try to guide and support our brothers and sisters is Christ
 
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