You did it again.
You read my explanation and you still bear false witness against me.
I told you before. I am not talking about AFTER a person gets saved But HOW a person gets saved.
A person who is not yet saved will live in sin, They HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED BY GOD YET.
thus if they are still living in sin, As John said, They have never seen God nor known God.
Why? THEY NEVER HAD FAITH.
We are saved by FAITH. NOT WORKS.
Yet you want to twist what I say, and say I demand one must work. Your a liar and a deciever
Okay, I get what your saying. Your saying if they ARE living this way then the were never saved.
Again okay.
But sense we cannot go around looking into people's hearts, and knowing if they were ever saved or not saved, then shouldnt we being teaching that repentance and obedience is a MUST in order to go to heaven (not be saved if you dont want to put it that way) but we know if they live in sin, (weather they lose salvation -or they were never saved) they cannot go to heaven.
It should not matter to you if one believes they LOST salvation, and you believe they were never saved. That is beyond the point.
The point is we cannot live in sin. So why tell someone who bleives sin will cost them salvation, they are trying to earn heaven and not trusting in God, if you believe that sin will cause them to never have been saved?
Why would it matter if they believe the way they do - look at how many passages draw that conclusion.
DO you really feel if one lived his life in obedience to God, because he did not want to lose his salvation that God is going to cast them away as never being saved, because they trusted in themsleves?
No way, espectally when there not really trusting in themselves, there trusting in the power of God to change them into a new person.
So please just try to see what I am saying. I see what you mean.
I dont think you teach we can go out and live in sin, just as I dont trust my self over God.
But it does
SEEM like whatever is causing you to attack those that believe has to have another motive. I cant see someone being that bothered
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