America: Mystery Babylon Vs. Ancient Babylon

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I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:
 
So you only want people to contribute to the topic if they agree with you? Sounds productive.
 
I do not agree that America is the prophesied Whore of Babylon.

However I would be inclined to agree that America does indeed have an eschatological role to play indeed and that also America is steadily falling deeper and deeper into an inevitable dark age which it deserves.
 
I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:

I didn't plan on going out of my way to disagree until I read that.

I find that completely irresistible.

: )
 
I have long held the belief that America is indeed--Mystery Babylon--yet she-USA will be changed yet more than it is now-for the worst. America as connected to, or being the Babylon in Rev. is not real popular within most Christian circles: many excuses are given why this can not be so. I find those excuses, fluff, along with, to my thought, 1.) revealing how little so many people actually read,/know their Bibles and 2.) how unseriously people overall make of the sins of America now and in our history-just to name a few excuses... That you are so young, I find interesting, that the Lord is leading you to consider this thing. That is a hopeful sign for me, one who has "watched" for a very long time and has grieved over what I see or don't see in "the Church," overall. Jael
 
Well, let's look at Las Vegas. What happens here stays here. Yeah that's a real Christian city.

Anyway. The Bible belt is called that for a reason. Though some of the USA seems to be the prophesied Whore of Babylon, This is not Sodom and Gammorrah. There was 1 righteous person there. I believe we can find several million righteous people in America. Will all the righteous vanish in the Rapture? Most probably will. But there will be plenty left who know what is going on.

I have no doubt that the Anti-Christ is alive right now, and doing well, I expect that he is a clone, born without a soul, and that we are very close to his revelation, probably with the next Pope being announced. This Pope is setting things up nicely for the future.

Search the Scriptures, when all has been fulfilled the time will be right, but that time is not yet there. And even Jesus doesn't know when that time will be. Only the Father knows, but you can bet Jesus is chompin at the bit to get'er'dun.
 
America is the new Atlantis. The sole purpose for the foudation of American government was to bring in the New World Order and seat the god of the capstone... its laid out on the back of the dollar bill.
 
I c many things pointn to the possiblity..im sure we (U.S.A.) as a major player n end time stage.
 
I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:

Maybe. The antichrist system starts in the Spirit, so the reactions that manifest themselves physically are only a shadow of a higher law...

I don't think that the Anti-Christ comes from America though because America doesn't seem to far too well when it comes to prophecies. The Anti-Christ system will be global so it would have to start with a nation not prophesied to burn because of blatent iniquity.
 
I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:

Interesting topic:

Here is what I have been shown concerning "mystery Babylon".

It has been passed along from generation to generation since it was first established and still exists today.
In the time of Jesus, it was the Roman empire that carried the Babylonian ways.
As much of Rome converted from "paganism", the Roman Catholic church was established and sought to appease both Christians and pagans alike. It was more a political thing as a result of Contantine's conquest.
So many of God's statutes were altered just slightly and new traditions were added to appease both groups. Here are some of the changes and additions that were made (I can provide dates and such if requested but most of this is easy to find with Google)...

The Sabbath that the Jews observe on Saturday (the 7th day) was changed to the day of the Sun. The day that Pagan worshipers observed as the place (the sun) that the spirit of Nimrod (the father in the Babylonian trinity) went to dwell when he died. This is why church is on Sunday, instead of Saturday in any Roman Catholic influenced nation. The Jews and many other believers still observe the Sabbath on Saturday as well as the traditions just as Jesus did.

December 25th was the date that the trinity of Babylon (the father, the mother, and the child) was officially established and is its recognized and celebrated day of birth. It is a day that was observed by Pagans of that day. The Roman Catholic church was able to combine that with the birthday of Jesus (which was not in December at all). They altered the trinity of Babylon replacing the father Nimrod with father God, the mother with Mary, and the child with Jesus. Another Babylonian influenced tradition by the Pagans was to bring a tree in from outside during winter solstice. This was considered the darkest and most evil time of year and it was believed that the tree would ward off evil spirits. Christmas was born.

SIDENOTE: Contrary to the many controversies, it can be confirmed by seeing which day was 14 Nisan, the first day of the Festival of Unleavened bread, which took place from Thursday sundown (the last supper) until Friday sundown (the day Jesus was crucified and buried). The controversy is over a math trick. If you start counting from Friday, Saturday would be 1 day and Sunday would be 2 days. Nope... the third day. Friday (the 1st), Saturday (the 2nd), and Sunday (the 3rd).

I mentioned the side note to show that the timeline of Easter is correct. However, Ishtar (which is phonetically pronounced the way we say Easter) is the day that Babylonians celebrated the resurrection of Tammuz (the child mentioned earlier in the Babylonian trinity). The egg represents the egg that Semiramis (the mother) claimed to have been immaculately conceived from by the moon.

There is much much more but I think you see how Babylon still exists today.

Satan, the one deceiving the whole world (Revelations 12:9), perverted the truth of the Godhead and has deceived the world into observing his abomination instead of coming into obedience to our Father, in Heaven.
 
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Maybe. The antichrist system starts in the Spirit, so the reactions that manifest themselves physically are only a shadow of a higher law...

I don't think that the Anti-Christ comes from America though because America doesn't seem to far too well when it comes to prophecies. The Anti-Christ system will be global so it would have to start with a nation not prophesied to burn because of blatent iniquity.

Two things to look up...

1. How does scripture say you will know the antichrist spirit?
2. What current religion says that it is the unforgivable sin to confess what it is that opposes the antichrist spirit?

Out of THAT religion shall the man of perdition (Antichrist) arise.
 
Two things to look up...

1. How does scripture say you will know the antichrist spirit?
2. What current religion says that it is the unforgivable sin to confess what it is that opposes the antichrist spirit?

Out of THAT religion shall the man of perdition (Antichrist) arise.

The anti-christ spirit is the opposite of Christs spirit so do the math.
Your not even making sense.
 
The anti-christ spirit is the opposite of Christs spirit so do the math.
Your not even making sense.

You are telling me your opinion; not what is written in scripture.

If you answer the two questions correctly, it will make sense.
 
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I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:


I have been teaching for years that the U.S. is the (DAUGHTER OF) BABYLON as found in Psalm 137, Jeremiah 50-51, Isaiah 13,21, 47, Ezekiel 17, Daniel 7:4, Habakkuk and 4 chapters of Revelation...

The HINDERMOST OF THE NATIONS is blended in with the fall of classical Babylon....there are some 80 characteristics that apply unto (THE DAUGHTER OF) BABYLON and it is 10.5 billion to one that it is the U.S.

SHE (known for her national symbols of The LADY of the Kingdoms and an EAGLE) <--LADY LIBERTY
falls in a nuclear strike instigated by Iran, Turkey and Egypt, burns hers cities with fire and kills all of her young men of war in one hour...comes from the north from thence from between the Black and Caspian Seas is lifted to the heavens while causing the earth to undulate and quake......followed by an active invasion and everyone found is Thrust through with weapons that cause the people to EXPLODE down into FRAGMENTS AND PIECIES...

A partial study found in a blog posted under my banner!
 
America does look like in some ways it could fit the bill as the new Babylon, but in other ways it does not. One thing that we need to consider is that the main force behind the anti-Christ is the bible states he has a 200 million man army that follows him.
There was a study down, and there is only two areas that can fill the bill right now. The Chinese, and the muslim/Islamic people if they band together. And what is the leader of Isis calling for right now ?
 
I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:

The beast kingdom has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,which is the whole world.

God said in Daniel chapter 7 that Babylon will never have dominion again,and Babylon never had control over the whole world.

So the Babylon in Revelation is Babylon is spirit,for she represents human religion,and the kingdom of man,and is a future kingdom when the world comes together to try to solve their problems,which is when they say Peace and safety,which Paul said the saints will not be deceived by that,but know it is not of God.

Rev 18:1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Although the beast kingdom is all nations together,there is a nation that is responsible for the world going in that direction,which they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men,have religious diversity,do trade with the world,be in to worldliness galore,and live high on the hog,which it appears that we can pinpoint who that nation is since it is not Babylon of old,but a nation that exists today that has the Babylonian spirit,anything goes multiculturism,which all religions can be practiced.
 
America does look like in some ways it could fit the bill as the new Babylon, but in other ways it does not. One thing that we need to consider is that the main force behind the anti-Christ is the bible states he has a 200 million man army that follows him.
There was a study down, and there is only two areas that can fill the bill right now. The Chinese, and the muslim/Islamic people if they band together. And what is the leader of Isis calling for right now ?

I do not believe that the antichrist has a 200,000,000 men army that follows him,for they war against the world,which the antichrist has not come to power yet when this war takes place,but I believe it is the religion of Islam that rebels against the unified religious system,because they say all religions are valid for spiritual enlightenment,and it is a hate crime to try to convert someone to your religion punishable in their international court system.

It is because of that war that causes the people to turn to the antichrist to solve their problems,which the antichrist has power over all kindreds,nations,and tongues,so he has more of a following than the number of that army.

That vast army wars against the world,and is before the antichrist comes to power to rule over the world.

Also the ten horns is the world split in to ten sections with a leader in each section,and the antichrist plucks up 3 of those horns by the roots,which is probably the Arab nations for they rebelled against the one world government,and religious system,and the Bible describes nuclear weapons as to why they can be plucked up by the roots,for they are devastated.

But that is the goal of the antichrist to get the world to attack the religion of Islam,then Christianity,then Israel.

So the 200,000,000 men army I believe is the religion of Islam rebelling against the way the world is operating at that time,and the world goes against them throwing nuclear weapons,and putting them down,which is what the antichrist wants,and that terrible war is what causes the world to turn to the antichrist to solve their problems.

The Bible says the Roman Empire does not have their dominion taken away until God puts them down,and the antichrist comes from the Roman Empire,so they have the control,and the Muslims want nothing to do with the antichrist,so they would not be following him.
 
Hello JesusRules1,

I do not believe that the antichrist has a 200,000,000 men army that follows him,for they war against the world,which the antichrist has not come to power yet when this war takes place


Just FYI, immediately after the 4th trumpet, an announcement is made identifying trumpets 5,6 and 7 as woes. The reason that they are referred to as woes is because all three of them are demonic in nature, as follows:

5th Trumpet = Demonic beings released from the Abyss to torment the inhabitants of the earth for 5 months

6th Trumpet = Four evil angels released from the Euphrates River, who gather a demonic army of 200 million to kill a third of the inhabitants of the earth.

7th Trumpet = Satan and his angels thrown down and restricted to the earth

As are all of the seals, trumpets and bowl, the three above are God's wrath. He is the One allowing these events to take place. As a reminder, it is Jesus who will be opening the seals, which lead into the trumpets and followed by the bowls. Also, those who are sounding each trumpet are holy angels of God.
 
I my studies of the Babylonian culture (Ancient and Future), I have come to notice the characteristics of the religion of Mystery Babylon reflected the most in America. This is a subconscious religion that is not proactively acknowledged (yet). America seems to be setting the stage for the eschatological rise of the Antichrist and implementation of his religion and government (Mystery Babylon). This subject requires a vast amount of discernment and even I can't be dogmatic on it quite yet. But from my studies and prayers about this, I can only conclude that it's most likely that our Nation will be at the forefront of the Antichrist's reign. I know a lot (99.9%) of Christians baulk at the idea that America is eschatologically important, but I can't imagine a more just punishment for the wickedness our Nation has spread other than to be ruled by the Antichrist himself. I'm not looking to debate this, nor argue. I merely mean to express my insight on the matter. I understand many of you may strongly disagree, that's fine. Keep your disagreement to yourself. But if you happen to realize the probability of this being true, by all means, express your thoughts(:

100% agree....The Daughter of Babylon (the Nation) and her chief City Mystery, BABYLON that mega city (N.Y.) is called the HINDERMOST of the Nations, the LADY of the Kingdoms and has 80 characteristics found in like 7-9 books of the bible and about 14 chapters....it is blended in with Classical Babylon and has a 10.5 billion to 1 odds that it is the U.S. when ALL characteristics are taken into account.........