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Richie_2uk
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Do you? do you have scriptures to support your negative questioning? I did not think so. lol
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Kerim
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I don't see what is the inconvenience of creating evil.
If there is no evil, how could a person do good?
(Matthew 5:46-47)
"For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the pagans so?"
I mean, if all people are created good loving beings, would being good and loving have any sense?
If there is no evil, how could a person do good?
(Matthew 5:46-47)
"For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the pagans so?"
I mean, if all people are created good loving beings, would being good and loving have any sense?
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Richie_2uk
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I don't see what is the inconvenience of creating evil.
If there is no evil, how could a person do good?
(Matthew 5:46-47)
"For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the pagans so?"
I mean, if all people are created good loving beings, would being good and loving have any sense?
Well maybe we should question Free will then. Perhaps it all lies in with free will. Maybe?
In the garden of Eden was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God placed Adam and Eve in that garden. Good and evil already existed before man fail. Adam and Eve were innocent as children until they disobeyed God's command. Was disobeying God's commandment evil, iniquity, lawlessness?
On the first day we are told of creation, we are told the state of the universe was darkness. The Hebrew word for that darkness was "choshek”. In the Hebrew culture this word was used as the opposite of “owr” (the opposite of illumination). Choshek carries in it the sense of blindness, of misery, of falsehood and ignorance. It means something that leads to death and destruction.
You really can't blame the Lord for creating evil simply because he created us.
Did God purposely create humans knowing that they would bring evil into His World ? Yes or No !
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Kerim
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You talk about humans as if they are all created of the same nature (or structure, if you like).
For example, did you meet in your life even one person who has exactly the same priorities in life as yours?
In my case, I didn't.
A human being is supposed to have both:
(1) a human living flesh (born of the flesh)
(2) a human living soul (born of Spirit).
The mortal human living flesh is pre-programmed to survive as long as possible (bread and breeding could help
The human living soul (having its own rules to survive... for eternity) could be fed only by controlling the flesh to live the unconditional Love towards all others (good and evil) as it is clearly pointed out by Jesus (Matthew 5:45)
"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
Otherwise, one's soul (as his flesh) will return back to the state of void (state before its birth, or before Creation if you like).
As you see, at the end there will be no losers but possible winners. I hope you got what I liked saying
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Although God is through all and above all, you can reject Him and be separated from Him. This is evil: the fact that you lose the relation with God (the absence of God is from your point of view).
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I believe God defines what is good and evil. I think in this way, we can say that God "created" evil. The evil spoken of in Isaiah also means calamity. What God does might seem "evil" to us, but it isn't.
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Kerim
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Of course God did (and does) it. In reality, many of them (forming the great majority anywhere on earth) are created to play the survival beings (they are vey important in the progress of the world while living their instincts desires). And naturally, some of them won't mind being evil as well (to better live the desires of their flesh).
On the other hand, those who are created with a human living soul too have now the opportunity, thank to the evil surrounding them, to live God's Love as Jesus pointed out, for example, when he says (Matthew 5:45):
"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
How do you think I can be good if all who are around me are as good as I am?
I hope I succeeded in answering your question.
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Ok then, Then He purposely created Evil. For God could have kept man from sinning against Him if it was His will to do so. Gen 20:6
6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Ok then, Then He purposely created Evil. For God could have kept man from sinning against Him if it was His will to do so. Gen 20:6
6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
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Kerim
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The only real sin against God, I heard of from Jesus, is about not believing in (actually not being able to perceive... and this is another story) the unifying divine power of the Holy Spirit that when accepted by two free independent persons, IT lets them look as having ONE will and ONE power to any outsider. In other words, it is about not believing that the Father and Jesus are indeed ONE (to us) by the Holy Spirit.
All other sins (that affects badly one's human living soul; if it exists in him) are against other people here on earth anytime one fails to live the unconditional God's Love (Matthew 5:45), in one way or another.
In the context of Isa 45:7, the Jews had turn their backs upon God once again having turned to worshipping idols and God in the context speaks about punishing them for their sin and that punishment would be them being taken captive by the Persians...King Cyrus.
In bible language, evil carries different meanings from moral sin, to sickness, to calamity, destruction, desolation. In Isa 45:7 evil is contrasted to peace..."I make peace, create evil". So evil here means opposite of peace, that God would bring destruction, calamity upon those idolatrous Jews by the Persians. God does not, cannot, is impossible to create morally sinful type evil for God is perfectly just, perfectly holy, without iniquity.
I do see the resident Calvinist is still putting fault, blame and sin upon God.
No doubt and it seems quite evident by Genesis that the Prince of the Power of the Air was already here....!
A base question would be.....Can anything exist and or have some beginning outside the power of God and or without God?
If yes then there by very necessity exists a power beyond God and self-existent without God.....
In beginning was the Word....no definite article in the Greek so...anything that had a beginning had it's beginning with God and as was so put by another poster....
The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil lay at the garden's center and if so....GOD created it!
If yes then there by very necessity exists a power beyond God and self-existent without God.....
In beginning was the Word....no definite article in the Greek so...anything that had a beginning had it's beginning with God and as was so put by another poster....
The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil lay at the garden's center and if so....GOD created it!