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You people don't care about doing anything God says and think the Law is worthless. You people would rather sit on your hindquarters doing nothing, all the while saying, "I'm saved by grace! I'm saved by grace!"
Not exactly a sound and verifiable statement, is it? Don't create a double standard. Be careful.
Not exactly a sound and verifiable statement, is it? Don't create a double standard. Be careful.
C
Jeremiah 7 comes to mind....
Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah who come through these gates to worship the Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Reform your ways and your actions, and I will let you live in this place. Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!” If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your ancestors for ever and ever. But look, you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless. ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things? Has this house, which bears my Name, become a den of robbers to you? But I have been watching! declares the Lord.
Hear the word of the Lord, all you people of Judah who come through these gates to worship the Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Reform your ways and your actions, and I will let you live in this place. Do not trust in deceptive words and say, “This is the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord!” If you really change your ways and your actions and deal with each other justly, if you do not oppress the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow and do not shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your ancestors for ever and ever. But look, you are trusting in deceptive words that are worthless. ‘Will you steal and murder, commit adultery and perjury, burn incense to Baal and follow other gods you have not known, and then come and stand before me in this house, which bears my Name, and say, “We are safe”—safe to do all these detestable things? Has this house, which bears my Name, become a den of robbers to you? But I have been watching! declares the Lord.
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you said that
on these two things hangs the law
notice the law is still hanging there?
no one took it down.
SATANS GREATEST HATRED OF ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERS IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Ever he tries to annul, get rid of and eliminate them!
sor his evil kingdom cannot rule unless they are ignored!
If we had Gods word as highest authority in our churches, there would be no false religion and no satanic control
So satan WAR ON THE LAW The ten commandments BEGAN!
He admitted that the TEN COMMANDMENTS laws would be good for the simple and the stupid
but once you are ADVANCED they HINDER YOU!
though laws might be necessary for the lowlife's of the worlds,
angels, being more SMART, need no such restraint,
for their own smart and wise wisdom was a sufficient guide!!!
Satan said they were SO SMART that they could never hurt anyone! That they were inherently good and would live forever!
Another lie.
They were not beings that could bring dishonor to God;
all their thoughts were holy;
He said
you all are HOLY! what does God think we are?!?!?
and he spread anger at the supposition that God didnt trust them!
it was no more possible for ANGELS TO ERR than for God Himself to err!
Angels are really like GOD! said the liar.
The exaltation of the son of God as equal with the father was represented as an injustice to Lucifer,
He thinks we cant do our job! Satan lied!
He told them
I am on your side!
I deserve some RESPECT!
Whenever whenever whenever you hear someone saying
I DESERVE SOME RESPECT
You are hearing satan himself in that person.
Angels don’t talk like that.
Satan said he was entitled to reverence and honor.
If this prince of angels would be just given his coveted, exalted position,
Super duper huge great good would benefit the entore universe!
Why, he said, he could do better than God.
He said this to the entire host of heaven;
for it was his object to secure freedom for all.
Freedom from God’s PICKY LAWS that are NOT NEEDED! (He lied, they are the only way we will not fall lke satan into insanity)
But now even the liberty which they had hitherto enjoyed was at an end;
He turned the Meeting with God into a lie
He said God appointed and absolute tyrannical ruler over the universe and satans job was to FREE THEM FROM THE LAW!!!
Isnt that what satan always does? Try and tell us the law is gone? No good! It was fior stupid people? For the not so smart?
Satan said that for an absolute Ruler had been put over them,
and to Jesus authority all must pay homage.
This was not true
Jesus created them and always was the ultimate authority!
Such were the subtle deceptions that through the sneaky lies of Lucifer were fast obtaining in the heavenly courts.
We should ever ask
are we doing Gods work
or satans?
REpent and do the first works.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
on these two things hangs the law
notice the law is still hanging there?
no one took it down.SATANS GREATEST HATRED OF ALL THINGS IN THE UNIVERS IS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
Ever he tries to annul, get rid of and eliminate them!
sor his evil kingdom cannot rule unless they are ignored!
If we had Gods word as highest authority in our churches, there would be no false religion and no satanic control
So satan WAR ON THE LAW The ten commandments BEGAN!
He admitted that the TEN COMMANDMENTS laws would be good for the simple and the stupid
but once you are ADVANCED they HINDER YOU!
though laws might be necessary for the lowlife's of the worlds,
angels, being more SMART, need no such restraint,
for their own smart and wise wisdom was a sufficient guide!!!
Satan said they were SO SMART that they could never hurt anyone! That they were inherently good and would live forever!
Another lie.
They were not beings that could bring dishonor to God;
all their thoughts were holy;
He said
you all are HOLY! what does God think we are?!?!?
and he spread anger at the supposition that God didnt trust them!
it was no more possible for ANGELS TO ERR than for God Himself to err!
Angels are really like GOD! said the liar.
The exaltation of the son of God as equal with the father was represented as an injustice to Lucifer,
He thinks we cant do our job! Satan lied!
He told them
I am on your side!
I deserve some RESPECT!
Whenever whenever whenever you hear someone saying
I DESERVE SOME RESPECT
You are hearing satan himself in that person.
Angels don’t talk like that.
Satan said he was entitled to reverence and honor.
If this prince of angels would be just given his coveted, exalted position,
Super duper huge great good would benefit the entore universe!
Why, he said, he could do better than God.
He said this to the entire host of heaven;
for it was his object to secure freedom for all.
Freedom from God’s PICKY LAWS that are NOT NEEDED! (He lied, they are the only way we will not fall lke satan into insanity)
But now even the liberty which they had hitherto enjoyed was at an end;
He turned the Meeting with God into a lie
He said God appointed and absolute tyrannical ruler over the universe and satans job was to FREE THEM FROM THE LAW!!!
Isnt that what satan always does? Try and tell us the law is gone? No good! It was fior stupid people? For the not so smart?
Satan said that for an absolute Ruler had been put over them,
and to Jesus authority all must pay homage.
This was not true
Jesus created them and always was the ultimate authority!
Such were the subtle deceptions that through the sneaky lies of Lucifer were fast obtaining in the heavenly courts.
We should ever ask
are we doing Gods work
or satans?
REpent and do the first works.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
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The word "hang" is a huge problem.
The same word is used on Luke 23:39, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:39 and most importantly Galatians 3:13.
Perhaps some interpret it as in "hang to death"....
The same word is used on Luke 23:39, Acts 5:30, Acts 10:39 and most importantly Galatians 3:13.
Perhaps some interpret it as in "hang to death"....
C
Of course...and the same Word has spoken through Moses and the first one in Deuteronomy 6:5-9
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.[SUP] [/SUP]These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.[SUP] [/SUP]These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.
P
I think I know why red hates Paul so much. He left "the law" out of this verse: "And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."
Didn't even mention law, did he red? The law doesn't even get a byline. We live in the time of faith, hope, and charity. I mention that and red goes berserk. Love, red, that is all there is to it. No law. No sabbath. Just love God and love your neighbor. That's all it takes to keep from sinning. A heart of love. No malice, no animosity. A pure heart is beyond the jurisdiction of the law. You just don't get it, do you?
Didn't even mention law, did he red? The law doesn't even get a byline. We live in the time of faith, hope, and charity. I mention that and red goes berserk. Love, red, that is all there is to it. No law. No sabbath. Just love God and love your neighbor. That's all it takes to keep from sinning. A heart of love. No malice, no animosity. A pure heart is beyond the jurisdiction of the law. You just don't get it, do you?
"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. "
Ironically, this is written by Apostle Paul 1 Corinthians 13:11.
Lady RedTent is wise indeed.
Your points on faith, hope, and charity are goodly though indeed and worthy of ponderance for these concepts are the Law.
Ironically, this is written by Apostle Paul 1 Corinthians 13:11.
Lady RedTent is wise indeed.
Your points on faith, hope, and charity are goodly though indeed and worthy of ponderance for these concepts are the Law.
God see the spirit behind the work.
One may work hard for the needy, feed them, give them some money, but what is the motive behind all these?
May just for political campaign, or to impress people. God able to see deep in one heart, we can't fool God.
If one have love, it can manifest in the form of helping other, but helping other not necessary mean love.
I think this what Paul mean, that he is death from the law of work.
One may work hard for the needy, feed them, give them some money, but what is the motive behind all these?
May just for political campaign, or to impress people. God able to see deep in one heart, we can't fool God.
If one have love, it can manifest in the form of helping other, but helping other not necessary mean love.
I think this what Paul mean, that he is death from the law of work.
[h=3]1 Corinthians 13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Even if we give to the poor, give our body to be burn, but is nothing if we do it without love.
It's mean that it is possible to sacrifice our body to be burn, for example go to middle east to witness for Christ, but without love, just for impress other or something else.
13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Even if we give to the poor, give our body to be burn, but is nothing if we do it without love.
It's mean that it is possible to sacrifice our body to be burn, for example go to middle east to witness for Christ, but without love, just for impress other or something else.
P
So tell me, what Spirit did YOU see at work in the OP? What ulterior motive do YOU see at work here?
And that poor Paul, he struggled with wording things SOOO many places. Don't you wish he had just said what he meant instead of needing you to come along and clear things up for him? Oh, hey, I for one, appreciate you telling us what Paul actually meant to say.
And that poor Paul, he struggled with wording things SOOO many places. Don't you wish he had just said what he meant instead of needing you to come along and clear things up for him? Oh, hey, I for one, appreciate you telling us what Paul actually meant to say.