Being Born Again
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That comes from Christ's Resurrection 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
The word begotten means as the greek word anagennaó:
I beget again, beget into a new life. Also that same word anagennaó is what Peter uses here 1 Pet 1:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Again this comes through the Resurrection of Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
A good translation of this verse is here :
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,NIV
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ESV
The Resurrection of Christ is the effectual cause of one being born again !
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
The word begotten means as the greek word anagennaó:
I beget again, beget into a new life. Also that same word anagennaó is what Peter uses here 1 Pet 1:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Again this comes through the Resurrection of Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
A good translation of this verse is here :
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,NIV
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, ESV
The Resurrection of Christ is the effectual cause of one being born again !
Water baptism was abhorrently misused in history by not requiring true faith in order to 'come into the church' but simply thru baptism, hence infant baptism.
As a result, many churches were filled with wet UNregenerate so called Christians and each church became known more for it's national identity rather than it's identity with Christ. viz., Roman, Dutch Reformed, Norweigian Lutheran etc.
As a result, many churches were filled with wet UNregenerate so called Christians and each church became known more for it's national identity rather than it's identity with Christ. viz., Roman, Dutch Reformed, Norweigian Lutheran etc.
Actually, the phrase "born again" was spoken to Nicodemus because he was a Jew. If you search for this phrase you'll find that it only appears 3 times in Scriptures and each time it is Jews that are being addressed. The reason for Jesus' statement was that the Jews were the physical (flesh) seed of Abraham. As the seed of Abraham they believed that they would inherit the promises made to Abraham. When Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, He was telling Nicodemus that his physical (fleshly) birth as the seed of Abraham was not sufficient to gain him entrance into the kingdom of God. Nicodemus would need another birth, one of water and the spirit. Jesus is using the metaphor of birth to tell Nicodemus that being the physical (fleshly) seed of Abraham will not gain him or anyone entrance into the kingdom.
For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
these verses are for after he returns.
all flesh is flesh and not able to be in kingdom.
even if you where babtized and have the holy spirit indwelling on inside
you are still flesh and blood period
only when you die then raised, and new heaven begins ,
unless youre in spirt form will you see his kingdom to come
26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
these verses are for after he returns.
all flesh is flesh and not able to be in kingdom.
even if you where babtized and have the holy spirit indwelling on inside
you are still flesh and blood period
only when you die then raised, and new heaven begins ,
unless youre in spirt form will you see his kingdom to come
First of all I would like to apologize to Eternally-gratefull for my sarcastic remark.
Secondly as was written, man must be born of water and of spirit in order to enter the kingdom: I can see all the differing understandings to that verse. Born of water can mean given God's grace, can also mean regeneration through baptism, can also mean flesh of Abraham; and born of spirit can mean given God's HS, can mean renewal of His spirit daily as an ongoing gift.
And through out history it appears there is much debate as to it having only one meaning and who's understanding of that meaning is the proper one.
Let me just say this, First off, God promises to give everyone, EVERYONE, a measure of Saving Faith. Everyone. Both Unbelievers and believers. It was poured out on the day of Penticost. It's in some when they are first conceived in the womb, some when they are born from their mother, and some later on. God wills His HS on each of us When He decides. He causes us to believe according to His good will and purpose for us. Praise the Lord.
When I was baptized (poured water on my head three times to signify Father Son and HS), also known as the Water and the Word, yes the water is nothing without the Word (spirit of God) but with the Word that water is powerful. Scoff not... My parents and God parents prayed to the Good Lord to give me His Holy spirit to work a Saving Faith in my heart for my salvation during my baptism. I didn't know what was going on, but God sure did and so did all the witnesses. Then I was taught the word from that moment. Words of God's grace from the lips of believers(my mother, the minister, etc) memorized from their learning - to my ears and God's Spirit effecting a regeneration and renewal in me. (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word) Now when did I first believe? Ask God cause it was so long ago I don't remember and it's not important to me when, but to God I'm sure it is. I was confirmed in the church when I was fourteen but I'm quite sure I was a believer long before that. (Suffer the little children to come onto me for of such is the kingdom of God). Have I sinned and backslid since then? Surely. That's why it's so important to hear the Word daily so the HS can renew my heart daily, it goes hand in hand. And the understanding comes as the spirit matures me.
What I can't understand or am confused about is ok, because the HS understands for me. As I listen to all of your posts it's a blessing to me. You know the bible don't tell us everything Jesus said to Nicodemus. Paul said for now I know in part, but then I shall see clearly. Is it ok if for now, I know in part even if some of you think you see clearly?
Secondly as was written, man must be born of water and of spirit in order to enter the kingdom: I can see all the differing understandings to that verse. Born of water can mean given God's grace, can also mean regeneration through baptism, can also mean flesh of Abraham; and born of spirit can mean given God's HS, can mean renewal of His spirit daily as an ongoing gift.
And through out history it appears there is much debate as to it having only one meaning and who's understanding of that meaning is the proper one.
Let me just say this, First off, God promises to give everyone, EVERYONE, a measure of Saving Faith. Everyone. Both Unbelievers and believers. It was poured out on the day of Penticost. It's in some when they are first conceived in the womb, some when they are born from their mother, and some later on. God wills His HS on each of us When He decides. He causes us to believe according to His good will and purpose for us. Praise the Lord.
When I was baptized (poured water on my head three times to signify Father Son and HS), also known as the Water and the Word, yes the water is nothing without the Word (spirit of God) but with the Word that water is powerful. Scoff not... My parents and God parents prayed to the Good Lord to give me His Holy spirit to work a Saving Faith in my heart for my salvation during my baptism. I didn't know what was going on, but God sure did and so did all the witnesses. Then I was taught the word from that moment. Words of God's grace from the lips of believers(my mother, the minister, etc) memorized from their learning - to my ears and God's Spirit effecting a regeneration and renewal in me. (faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word) Now when did I first believe? Ask God cause it was so long ago I don't remember and it's not important to me when, but to God I'm sure it is. I was confirmed in the church when I was fourteen but I'm quite sure I was a believer long before that. (Suffer the little children to come onto me for of such is the kingdom of God). Have I sinned and backslid since then? Surely. That's why it's so important to hear the Word daily so the HS can renew my heart daily, it goes hand in hand. And the understanding comes as the spirit matures me.
What I can't understand or am confused about is ok, because the HS understands for me. As I listen to all of your posts it's a blessing to me. You know the bible don't tell us everything Jesus said to Nicodemus. Paul said for now I know in part, but then I shall see clearly. Is it ok if for now, I know in part even if some of you think you see clearly?
Seabass where is the sanctification in this salvation of yours? Jesus says to the Father to SANCTIFY the saved ones in his Truth, His WORD is truth.
Are you sanctified in water when you are baptized in water. So the moment you GET out of the water the sanctification is done with. and if you stay submerged, you better be a SEABASS with guils or you will drown... No my friend the Water we are Born of is the Word of God. The TRUTH... water is not Truth, WORD is. Living Waters... Not h2O
Are you sanctified in water when you are baptized in water. So the moment you GET out of the water the sanctification is done with. and if you stay submerged, you better be a SEABASS with guils or you will drown... No my friend the Water we are Born of is the Word of God. The TRUTH... water is not Truth, WORD is. Living Waters... Not h2O
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, - NKJV
1Jn 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. - NKJV
Begotten at baptism and laying on of hands, born again at the resurrection.
1Jn 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. - NKJV
Begotten at baptism and laying on of hands, born again at the resurrection.
So being born of incorruptible seed is being born in the flesh, for all have sinned and fallen short of His glory. For by being born of flesh we are born into the first Adam, into sin. By being born again, we are born of God, a spiritual birth which takes us out of the old family and places us into the new, in which Christ gains many brothers.
So would agree with JaumeJ here, Jesus is referring to our physical birth by water and flesh, born into spiritual death. In order for one to be reborn, obviously they have to have a physical birth born into death.
So would agree with JaumeJ here, Jesus is referring to our physical birth by water and flesh, born into spiritual death. In order for one to be reborn, obviously they have to have a physical birth born into death.
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Sanctification begins with the individual who is commanded to sanctify the Lord in your hearts:
1 Pet 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
We also know that Christ's death both sanctified and cleansed the church:
Eph 5:25,26 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
Cleansing is necessary to be sanctified and Eph 5:26 is another "new birth" verse:
Jn 3:5-----------spirit+++++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1Cor12:13-----spirit++++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>in the body
Tts 3:5--------Holy Ghost+++++++++washing of reg.>>>>>>>saved
Eph 5:26-------the word+++++++++washing of water>>>>>cleansed
One cannot therefore be sanctified unless he first has been water baptized/washing of water.
We already saw that one is commanded to sanctify the Lord in His heart (1 Pet 3:15) and upon becoming a born again Christian, he must continue to obey that command to sanctify the Lord in his heart.."Follow after peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no man shall see the Lord:" Heb 12:14 for he can give up sanctification, willfully sinning and become lost ..."of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Heb 10:29
It has nothing to do with water baptism, that's you adding your interpretation, Being born again comes through the Resurrection of Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, or
3 May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ be blessed! On account of his vast mercy, he has given us new birth. You have been born anew into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.CEB
Has nothing to do with water baptism, that is a false teaching !
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, or
3 May the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ be blessed! On account of his vast mercy, he has given us new birth. You have been born anew into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.CEB
Has nothing to do with water baptism, that is a false teaching !
John 3:5 - Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
John 4:10 - "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.
John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7:37 - If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit..
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Ephesians 5:26 - that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.
1 Peter 1:23 - having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.
Titus 3:5 - not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.
Spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation is not water baptism. To automatically read water baptism into these verses is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Simply reading these verses in context would give one no reason to assume that water baptism is the source or means of becoming born again, unless one was looking to read into these passages a preconceived idea or theology.
John 4:10 - "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, 'Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water.
John 4:14 - but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.
John 7:37 - If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water. 39 But this He spoke concerning the Spirit..
1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
Ephesians 5:26 - that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word.
1 Peter 1:23 - having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever.
Titus 3:5 - not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.
Spiritual washing or purification of the soul, accomplished by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God at the moment of salvation is not water baptism. To automatically read water baptism into these verses is unwarranted. Scripture interprets itself. Simply reading these verses in context would give one no reason to assume that water baptism is the source or means of becoming born again, unless one was looking to read into these passages a preconceived idea or theology.
Jn 3:5-----------spirit+++++++++++++++water>>>>>>>>>>>in the kingdom
1Cor12:13-----spirit++++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>in the body
Tts 3:5--------Holy Ghost+++++++++washing of reg.>>>>>>>saved
Eph 5:26-------the word+++++++++washing of water>>>>>cleansed
The bible sure does clearly show it is water baptism.
1Cor12:13-----spirit++++++++++++++baptized>>>>>>>>>>in the body
Tts 3:5--------Holy Ghost+++++++++washing of reg.>>>>>>>saved
Eph 5:26-------the word+++++++++washing of water>>>>>cleansed
The bible sure does clearly show it is water baptism.
being born of incorruptible seed is being born again from God's Word (incorruptible seed)...
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
(1Pe 1:24-25)
this can couple with...
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Rom 10:17)
I don't see physical birth in Jesus' words to Nicodemus by using 'water and Spirit'.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:5)
Water and Spirit go together as Holy Spirit and Word. But natural birth and God's Spirit are an awkward pair when describing the new birth. Of course 'a man' is born of flesh, that would have been teaching nothing new to Nicodemus.
For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
(1Pe 1:24-25)
this can couple with...
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
(Rom 10:17)
I don't see physical birth in Jesus' words to Nicodemus by using 'water and Spirit'.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
(Joh 3:5)
Water and Spirit go together as Holy Spirit and Word. But natural birth and God's Spirit are an awkward pair when describing the new birth. Of course 'a man' is born of flesh, that would have been teaching nothing new to Nicodemus.