It Is satanic Heresy to Deny Eternal Security
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I never said that OT saints were not saved. I said that the Spirit of God did not dwell IN them; born again of Spirit but that God place his spirit upon certain believers - (Numbers 11:17,25,29; Judges 3:10; 6:34, etc) The infilling of the holy Spirit is designated only for the church, the body of Christ. That is what makes us ONE in the body of Christ - the answer to the Jesus' prayer in John 17 - I in them and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. - That is accomplished by being born again of the Spirit - the mystery which was hid in God - that is the body. Know you not that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you 1 Co. 3:16 - NEW BIRTH, BORN AGAIN of Spirit.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified) John 7:38,39 And God doesn't jerk out his Spirit each time we sin - We are children of God because of the Spirit born within us - our walk is what follows - we walk in the light or we don't - that is our relationship [fellowship] - our sonship is eternal.
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified) John 7:38,39 And God doesn't jerk out his Spirit each time we sin - We are children of God because of the Spirit born within us - our walk is what follows - we walk in the light or we don't - that is our relationship [fellowship] - our sonship is eternal.
Those who deny Eternal Security of the believer, deny the Power of God 1 Pet 1:5
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
For such we should turn away from 2 Tim 3:5
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
For such we should turn away from 2 Tim 3:5
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Good morning, Peaceful.
I don't know what you mean by "infilling." There is no such term in the Bible to my knowledge. If you have Bible reference to it, quote it please. The prayer in John 17 does not refer to the filling, mentioned in Ephesians 5. "Be filled with the Spirit." The filling does not make us one in the Body of Christ, not the filling.
The baptism makes us one in the Body of Christ.
For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made to drink of one Spirit.
- 1 Cor 12:13.
Filling is found in the OT, but not baptism of the Spirit.
The Word of God never says that filling is accomplished by the new birth. It is something that a Christian may or may not have at a given moment.
Your verse does not say "new birth, born again." Your verse refers to the indwelling of the Spirit in believers, not their new birth.
The Holy Spirit is eternal and never born.
You seem to confuse distinct operations of the Spirit.
The verse says nothing whatsoever about losing faith. It says we are kept by the power of God. The means specified, "through pistis," doesn't change the keeping one bit; neither does the text say it. The text does not say "unless we lose faith." Thus far I haven't seen anyone going on about "losing faith" quote one verse about it; it is a made-up canard here.
We do have the example of the Lord Jesus praying that Peter's faith not fail in the sift wheat passage. And we have the example of Peter momentarily losing faith in the Lord Jesus when he walked on water, not to say he stopped trust the Lord Jesus to fulfill Jesus' promise of secure eternal life. Peter looked at the waves, instead of the Lord and sank. The Lord Jesus pulled him up and saved him from drowning.
So instead of going on about "losing faith" from the imagination, one needs some scripture on the topic, if there is; I am unaware of anyone ever said to stop trusting Jesus for salvation once he has trusted Him. We do have the proof text in 1 John saying that those who apostatize were never in the Church to begin with.
One standard translation of pistis is faithfulness, which fits this context well. We are kept by God's faithfulness.
But no matter how you interpret pistis, the main statement is factual "we are kept." -- no exception statement.
"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish" < John 10
We do have the example of the Lord Jesus praying that Peter's faith not fail in the sift wheat passage. And we have the example of Peter momentarily losing faith in the Lord Jesus when he walked on water, not to say he stopped trust the Lord Jesus to fulfill Jesus' promise of secure eternal life. Peter looked at the waves, instead of the Lord and sank. The Lord Jesus pulled him up and saved him from drowning.
So instead of going on about "losing faith" from the imagination, one needs some scripture on the topic, if there is; I am unaware of anyone ever said to stop trusting Jesus for salvation once he has trusted Him. We do have the proof text in 1 John saying that those who apostatize were never in the Church to begin with.
One standard translation of pistis is faithfulness, which fits this context well. We are kept by God's faithfulness.
But no matter how you interpret pistis, the main statement is factual "we are kept." -- no exception statement.
"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish" < John 10
Kerry, if you have a verse to quote, quote it and argue from it.
But if you really want to know about eternal security, you must read verses that speak about "eternal life," "shall never perish," and use the term save/salvation or equivalent words.
Worry about how this or that other doctrine correlates is a dubious methodology.
"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish"
But if you really want to know about eternal security, you must read verses that speak about "eternal life," "shall never perish," and use the term save/salvation or equivalent words.
Worry about how this or that other doctrine correlates is a dubious methodology.
"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish"
What did Christ go to the cross for, to do what? Was it for sin and for us to stop sin?
Or was it for unbelief that we are born with in a flesh nature body?
And if one does change their mind from unbelief to belief, what is the result ?
Does it change one from self serving? Does it change one from just serving those that love them?
Do we then become a bond servant to the living God, not caring if we get rewarded or not?
When one has received the peace in all things, beyond understanding, that one has received the confirmation
[h=3]Romans 8:16[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
so when one has received this they know they are saved, why? Because God is not a liar is God?
So seek the Mercy and have Faith, and see truth that sets you free to be God's bond servant through Son Christ
In this view from God when God confirms this in you, You then are OSAS in Father not mankind ever, yet love you to the finish line
Or was it for unbelief that we are born with in a flesh nature body?
And if one does change their mind from unbelief to belief, what is the result ?
Does it change one from self serving? Does it change one from just serving those that love them?
Do we then become a bond servant to the living God, not caring if we get rewarded or not?
When one has received the peace in all things, beyond understanding, that one has received the confirmation
[h=3]Romans 8:16[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
so when one has received this they know they are saved, why? Because God is not a liar is God?
So seek the Mercy and have Faith, and see truth that sets you free to be God's bond servant through Son Christ
In this view from God when God confirms this in you, You then are OSAS in Father not mankind ever, yet love you to the finish line
Man could not do it, as shown by Laws of Moses to the First Chosen to show the rest of the world the awesome God. As has been shown many ways to us all through Mercy from day one of the fall
And since Man can't do it in his weak flesh, not perfectly ever. God did in sending his own Son in our place, did it for us to bring in us a new way by Love in 1 Cor.13:4-13, by the resurrected Christ not the dead one
He is alive, I tell you Alive forever more. Christ is risen for you to be risen now in spirit and truth
And since Man can't do it in his weak flesh, not perfectly ever. God did in sending his own Son in our place, did it for us to bring in us a new way by Love in 1 Cor.13:4-13, by the resurrected Christ not the dead one
He is alive, I tell you Alive forever more. Christ is risen for you to be risen now in spirit and truth
Alligator, "through pistis" is translatable as through faithfulness .
Do you deem the Lord faithful to keep His promises to the believer?
The means specified is not an "if." The fact remains, "kept by the power of God." Now you can theorize all day, but "through faith" cannot negate the kept. You can theorize that part of the keeping is maintaining the Christian's faith, like the Lord Jesus praying that Peter's faith fail not. But theorizing on what it might imply, does not change the kept by the power of God.
"don't get it."
What a man needs to get is that the Lord Jesus offers salvation. You need to trust Him with your life in total. Trust Him as your Savior, trust Him with your destiny; trust Him to get you to Heaven; trust in His payment for all your sins. Forget the what-if-this and what-if-that, and throw yourself into His care. He offers the free gift of eternal life.
"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish."
Do you deem the Lord faithful to keep His promises to the believer?
The means specified is not an "if." The fact remains, "kept by the power of God." Now you can theorize all day, but "through faith" cannot negate the kept. You can theorize that part of the keeping is maintaining the Christian's faith, like the Lord Jesus praying that Peter's faith fail not. But theorizing on what it might imply, does not change the kept by the power of God.
"don't get it."
What a man needs to get is that the Lord Jesus offers salvation. You need to trust Him with your life in total. Trust Him as your Savior, trust Him with your destiny; trust Him to get you to Heaven; trust in His payment for all your sins. Forget the what-if-this and what-if-that, and throw yourself into His care. He offers the free gift of eternal life.
"I give them eternal life, and they will never perish."
Alligator, that is what you say.
What the Word of God says is
"The wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
That is an order to obey.
That is the only obedience required for salvation.
If you ever find that any other obedience is said to bring eternal life, quote your verse.
How about trusting the Lord Jesus to actually save you today?
What the Word of God says is
"The wages of sin is death; but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
That is an order to obey.
That is the only obedience required for salvation.
If you ever find that any other obedience is said to bring eternal life, quote your verse.
How about trusting the Lord Jesus to actually save you today?
Belief, brings obedience by Faith in Christ one does and quits the trying of the roller coaster ride, up and down, fighting flesh nature, carnal mind attitudes
Learns to walk by the Spirit of God, where there is no condemnation in Spirit and truth of God
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Ephesians 2:6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Looks like if one believes no doubt it is eternal security, and if one does not believe then it is not eternal security to them, yet it is what it is, God loves you, so much he went to the cross for you, to give you new life in Spirit and truth, by and through the resurrected Christ, Now that is love beyond measure is it not?
Learns to walk by the Spirit of God, where there is no condemnation in Spirit and truth of God
Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Ephesians 2:2 wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Ephesians 2:3 among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Ephesians 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Ephesians 2:6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Looks like if one believes no doubt it is eternal security, and if one does not believe then it is not eternal security to them, yet it is what it is, God loves you, so much he went to the cross for you, to give you new life in Spirit and truth, by and through the resurrected Christ, Now that is love beyond measure is it not?